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The CO2 Lie
Investors.com ^ | January 5, 2010 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY Staff

Posted on 01/05/2010 5:39:55 PM PST by Kaslin

Climate Change: A new study shows that Earth's ability to absorb carbon dioxide from all sources, including man, has remained unchanged for 160 years. As it turns out, there may be no carbon to offset.

A major tenet of the global warming religion, straight from the Book of Gore, has been that the ability of the earth to handle increasing CO2 emissions is finite and that once the "tipping point" is reached, the earth will warm uncontrollably. Well, another climate domino has fallen — the myth that man-made CO2 is leading to climate catastrophe.

This "settled science" has been upended by an unsettling (for warm-mongers) new study out of the University of Bristol in England. Unlike the Climate-gate charlatans at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, Wolfgang Knorr of Bristol's Earth Sciences Department followed the data where it led instead of trying to manipulate it to "hide the decline" in global temperatures the earth has experienced in the last decade.

The new study, published in the online journal Geophysical Research Letters, does not deny that increasing amounts of CO2 have been generated as the world has industrialized, eradicated disease, produced agricultural abundance and improved man's standard of living. It does show that only 45% of man's emissions, not 100% as warmers claim, stays in the atmosphere, and that includes the carbon emissions of the private jets that flew to Copenhagen last month and the limos that drove the occupants around.

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1 posted on 01/05/2010 5:39:55 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Watch what spotted algore does with his money. I’ll bet a buck that he is quietly removing all his funding for companies that stand to make a bundle over globull warming.


2 posted on 01/05/2010 5:45:57 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Kaslin

Did you know that a rotting log in a forest releases as much CO2 as is released by burning that log in a fireplace? Only difference is, the process is sped up when burning, which also results in the release of useful energy an opposed to no energy realized by letting the wood rot.

The climate commies will never stop their lies until they accomplish the enslavement of mankind.


3 posted on 01/05/2010 5:51:33 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Our oceans are having a record crab catch and an expected record salmon run thanks to abundance of plant growth in the ocean. CO2 is a life giving gas.

Pray for America’s Freedom


4 posted on 01/05/2010 5:51:59 PM PST by bray (What ya in for Son? No Health Insurance. Me too.)
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To: bray

As I said years ago, innumerable scientific experiments have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that increasing the CO2 levels causes plants to grow faster, which of course reduces the amount of CO2 available. In an effort to spin that into a negative, Duke University published a paper warning that increased CO2 would make poison ivy grow faster.


5 posted on 01/05/2010 5:58:28 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Kaslin
It does show that only 45% of man's emissions, not 100% as warmers claim, stays in the atmosphere

Not a single warmer that I know of claims that. What many warmers claim is that 100% of the increase in CO2 (since about 1850) is from manmade sources. This is also wrong from a variety of analyses, not the least of which is the fact that natural fluctuations dominate CO2.

For example, CO2 was higher in mid 2006 than in late 2008, a period of thirty months. Granted that period coincides with a seasonal high (mid year) and seasonal low (end of year). But it shows that natural fluctuations outweigh the manmade amounts.

If any warmer claims that 100% of the CO2 increase comes from manmade sources, ask him/her for the math that shows that.

6 posted on 01/05/2010 6:06:57 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

We should be making as much CO2 as possible to feed the plants.

Pray for America’s Freedom


7 posted on 01/05/2010 6:15:18 PM PST by bray (What ya in for Son? No Health Insurance. Me too.)
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To: bray
We should be making as much CO2 as possible to feed the plants.

Warmer regions that are currently cooler will be able to produce and grow food. Currently productive areas will be more productive. Bumper crops. Less starving people in the world really sounds great to me. Why does this threat of being able to cure one of the oldest curses to mankind (starvation) panic the liberals?

8 posted on 01/05/2010 6:25:17 PM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Kaslin

We should be running CO2 from our power plants into Algae oil growers. Then we would get a double benefit from electrical power from fossil fuels.


9 posted on 01/05/2010 6:33:58 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Marxism.)
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thanks Kaslin.

No rise in atmospheric carbon fraction over the last 150 years: University of Bristol
Hot Air | 8:48 am on January 4, 2010 | Ed Morrissey
Posted on 01/05/2010 2:43:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2421722/posts


10 posted on 01/05/2010 6:37:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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11 posted on 01/05/2010 6:38:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Kaslin

That would dry up the ole CO2 cash cow for AlBore!


12 posted on 01/05/2010 6:41:59 PM PST by LUV W (When Obama says (over and over) "let me be clear" you can interpret it as "let me lie to you"!)
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To: Kaslin; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
 



Beam Me to Planet Gore !

13 posted on 01/05/2010 6:43:36 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Freedom from fat cat greedy Big Government tyranny IS a Right ... It IS the Constitution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

>> quietly removing all his funding

A run on warming?

The dot-carbon bust?


14 posted on 01/05/2010 6:45:03 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: USCG SimTech
Why does this threat of being able to cure one of the oldest curses to mankind (starvation) panic the liberals?

Because there's no money in it for ex-vice-presidents with 65 IQs....

15 posted on 01/05/2010 6:52:50 PM PST by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: Publius6961
” Why does this threat of being able to cure one of the oldest curses to mankind (starvation) panic the liberals?”

Well, for deep green environmentalists, it means that population will not die off, and their will be more development, both of which they see as evil.

16 posted on 01/05/2010 6:57:57 PM PST by marktwain
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To: LUV W

Yeah, most likely


17 posted on 01/05/2010 7:04:39 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

....which would be a good thing! He has made a killing off
lies and fantasy!


18 posted on 01/05/2010 7:10:24 PM PST by LUV W (When Obama says (over and over) "let me be clear" you can interpret it as "let me lie to you"!)
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To: Kaslin

“A major tenet of the global warming religion, straight from the Book of Gore, has been that the ability of the earth to handle increasing CO2 emissions is finite and that once the “tipping point” is reached, the earth will warm uncontrollably.”

The earth has been recycling carbon for a very long time, to which carbonaceous sedimentary formations are testimony. Greenhouse gases have been described by meteorologists, long before global warming, as one of many mechanisms by which the atmosphere stays in equilibrium. Goremania would have it that CO2 in the atmosphere acts like an energy sponge, sopping up the long wave radiation that would otherwise be lost to space. CO2 absorbs at some very specific wavelengths in the infra-red spectrum (that’s how it is detected nowadays), but soon re-radiates that energy (not at the same wavelength) as it returns to its original energy level. So it may slow up some energy in that form, hence its greenhouse parity, but by no means hangs on to it. This CO2, being such a minute percentage of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (and the ‘man-made’ portion is maybe 3% of that while H2O is all but ignored), it is almost laughable that it has become the basis of ‘settled’ scientific projections of imminent doom.


19 posted on 01/05/2010 7:29:48 PM PST by corvus
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To: corvus

Had read somewhere that CO2 being heavier than air sank to ground or sealevel, hence it being taken in by plants and the oceans. This “sinking” in fact made CO2 impossble as a Greenhouse gas.

The warmers having their hockeystick broken rush to find a new scenario. Latest “Warmer Science” now is manmade CO2 acidifying the oceans and methane hydrate released because the oceans warm (the inference is that its human caused) by 5C which in turn greenhouses to another 5C and kills everything.


20 posted on 01/05/2010 11:24:30 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: Kaslin
Measurements made in 1976 by the Viking landers established the exact composition of the atmosphere on Mars as 95.3% carbon dioxide, 2.7% nitrogen, ...

They WHY ain't IT hot!!!!!

21 posted on 01/06/2010 5:03:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The "Frozen Al Gore" statue - February, 2009.

The "Frozen Al Gore" statue - version 2010!


22 posted on 01/06/2010 7:30:20 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: dusttoyou

Also, man’s contribution to total CO2 in the atmosphere is 3%.

Further, the contribution to the actual “warming” greenhouse effect is an unmeasurable 0.117%.


23 posted on 01/06/2010 7:32:19 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Kaslin; newgeezer
"A new study".

Yeah that'll fly. My parents are died in the wool libs and they can smell a conservative perspective a mile away, and they reject it.

24 posted on 01/06/2010 7:37:40 AM PST by DungeonMaster (A Christian Democrat is better than a heathen Republican)
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To: dusttoyou

“Had read somewhere that CO2 being heavier than air sank to ground or sealevel, hence it being taken in by plants and the oceans. This “sinking” in fact made CO2 impossible as a Greenhouse gas.”

Yes, the molecular weight of CO2 is greater than that of air, a mixture of mostly nitrogen and oxygen. But CO2’s behavior in air is to disperse, or ‘dissolve’ into the air as a gas. CO2 only ‘sinks’ in air to the extent it remains ‘together’, as in the example of the contents of a CO2 fire extinguisher discharged at the base of a fire. As a gas, CO2 will thoroughly mix with the atmosphere, not sink therefrom to the oceans or plant life. It will be absorbed by plants or dissolve in water through contact with the atmosphere.


25 posted on 01/06/2010 10:47:44 AM PST by corvus
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To: corvus

[[This CO2, being such a minute percentage of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (and the ‘man-made’ portion is maybe 3% of that while H2O is all but ignored), it is almost laughable that it has become the basis of ‘settled’ scientific projections of imminent doom.]]

And hte other FACT that is laughable is the FACT that our suppsoed 3% contribution amounts to only 11.9 ppm out of a total combined (man and nature) ppm amount of 338 ppm i nthe atmosphere- You’ll note that the EPA just came out and listed CO2 a ‘dangerous byproduct’ that ‘needs to be immediately regulated’ before it’s ‘too late to reverse the damage man is causing’ by ‘pumping this ‘dangerous pollutant into the atmosphere’- however, the TOXIC LEVELS of CO2 are BEYOND the range of 5000 ppm- and we are only at 338 ppm- We are a LONG LONG way off from even beginnign to reach toxic levels of CO2 i nthe atmopshere, but these climategate CRIMINALS are makign it appear as though we’re on the verge of environmental collapse if we ‘don’t act now to curb CO2 production’

The FACT is that after 1000’s of years of life on earth, we and nature are still only able to produce 338 ppm CO2, and it would take multiplying EVERY SINGLE fossil fuel consuming structure and activity by a magnitude of 33 in order to even begin approaching toxic levels.

To put htis in perspective, let’s say there are 10 billion fossil fuel consuming busineeses , households, and activities taking place on earht today- in order to reach a toxic level of CO2, we would need to multiply instantly, that number by 33- bringing the total busniensses, houses, plants, schools, fires etc to 330 billion in order to even begin having to worry about reducing CO2 levels- after many htousands of years, we have only managed 10 billion such sturctures? How many thousands more years would it take to reach the necessary 330 billion such structures? But by golly, according to hte wamring nutcases raising hteir neurotic alarms about gloom and doom mankind ‘destroying the earth, we ‘need to act now before it’s too late’?


26 posted on 01/06/2010 10:49:01 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: dusttoyou

“The warmers having their hockeystick broken rush to find a new scenario. Latest “Warmer Science” now is manmade CO2 acidifying the oceans and methane hydrate released because the oceans warm (the inference is that its human caused) by 5C which in turn greenhouses to another 5C and kills everything.”

Again, the ‘warmers’ are exploiting some half truths. CO2, when dissolved in water, such as a carbonated beverage, will be slightly more acidic. The amount of dissolved CO2 water can hold is temperature dependent, among other things. The colder the water (liq.), the more CO2 it can dissolve. Same holds for methane hydrate. The oceans are a highly buffered systems, and any newly dissolved CO2 will enter that equilibrium. Warmers need to explain just how this system is going to increase 5C degrees, not simply project that if this system were to warm up, ocean water would not ‘hold’ as much CO2, or methane hydrate, as it does at its present temperature.


27 posted on 01/06/2010 11:10:19 AM PST by corvus
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To: corvus

Not wanting or actually being able to necessarily argue the technical point, would seem unless they cease being individual molecules of CO2, to which the chemical mixture would no longer be oxygen, nitrogen and CO2, but some other gaseous compound what is the reaction catalyst?

The Warmers do not refer to “a mixture including CO2” rather only CO2.

If individual pure molecules not reacted and remaining pure CO2 but dispersed as you say and being heavier will surely eventually settle out displacing the lighter molecules at the lowest level. Am I misunderstanding this?


28 posted on 01/06/2010 11:11:35 AM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: dusttoyou

“If individual pure molecules not reacted and remaining pure CO2 but dispersed as you say and being heavier will surely eventually settle out displacing the lighter molecules at the lowest level. Am I misunderstanding this?”

No. As a gas, CO2 behaves as part of the gaseous mixture we call air. If, as you suggest, individual gas molecules would settle according to their molecular weight, then earth would have a layered atmosphere, heavier CO2, say at the surface, above it O2, then N2, and above that even lighter, H2O. In this example, an asphyxiant (CO2)would collect at the surface (valleys, etc.), above which would be a layer of pure oxygen, which would be dangerously too active as an oxidant, and above that aircraft couldn’t fly without carrying an oxidant to support combustion, not to mention maintain a breathable cabin air mixture.


29 posted on 01/06/2010 11:39:25 AM PST by corvus
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