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Study turns up 10 autism clusters in California (Case for Government Run Healthcare)
Reuters ^ | 1/5/10 | Julie Steenhuysen

Posted on 01/06/2010 9:05:59 AM PST by GauchoUSA

U.S. researchers have identified 10 locations in California that have double the rates of autism found in surrounding areas, and these clusters were located in neighborhoods with high concentrations of white, highly educated parents.

Researchers at the University of California Davis had hoped to uncover pockets of autism that might reveal clues about triggers in the environment that could explain rising rates of autism, which affects as many as one in 110 U.S. children.

But the findings likely say more about the U.S. healthcare system than the causes of autism, said researcher Irva Hertz-Picciotto of UC Davis' MIND Institute, whose study will be released online Wednesday in the journal Autism Research.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obama; socialized
"Hertz-Picciotto said studies in Denmark, which offers universal access to healthcare, have found no link between autism and race or socioeconomic status."

Hmm, maybe because they are all Danish and no one can make more money than his/her neighbor?

"In this country, we have a lot of people who are uninsured. They may not have someone to go to if they have suspicions about their child"

What a horrible country we live in...Just what liberals are saying.

1 posted on 01/06/2010 9:05:59 AM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: GauchoUSA

I wonder if they innoculate the heck out of babies and small children there too?


2 posted on 01/06/2010 9:08:06 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: GauchoUSA

Is this a case for govt healthcare/?? .. OR.. a case for government CAUSED healthcare?


3 posted on 01/06/2010 9:08:20 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: GauchoUSA

Do we know where these clusers are? I live in Silicon Valley, and I’m pretty sure one of the clusters is here.


4 posted on 01/06/2010 9:10:58 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: GauchoUSA

So they have found 10 locations with a large number of doctors who are predisposed to diagnose autism.


5 posted on 01/06/2010 9:10:59 AM PST by csmusaret (Oops. My karma just ran over my dogma.)
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To: csmusaret
Bingo!

At least the docs have slowed down with the peanut allergy diagnoses.

6 posted on 01/06/2010 9:15:31 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: GauchoUSA

I knew a woman who had two autistic children and was receiving a lot of help from the state of CA. California mandates that all special education students have mental health counseling through the public health system (they put them on ritalin). They also provide respite service for the parents and all day pre-school for the handicapped.

The point is that this woman was told that autistic children are more often found in families of where the father is an engineer or math brained type. I have no idea of the veracity of the statement, but her husband was an engineer.


7 posted on 01/06/2010 9:16:22 AM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: BenLurkin

Probably determined by how easy it is to get the insurance companies to pay up.


8 posted on 01/06/2010 9:19:48 AM PST by csmusaret (Oops. My karma just ran over my dogma.)
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To: Eva

CA has some of the more generous benefits for autistic kids.
Maybe the best. People with autistic kids don’t leave CA since they get all the state help.


9 posted on 01/06/2010 9:20:18 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: csmusaret

Exactly, upper middle class parents, a fairly new diagnosis, less then 2 full generations, if compared to the 50s there would be a real spike since autism wasn’t a diagnosable disease.


10 posted on 01/06/2010 9:20:25 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: GauchoUSA
This is hilarious, nothing in the article supports the statement that this report will say "more about the US Health Care system". In fact, it is interesting as these pockets occur in richer whiter area that presumably have more coverage and access to healthcare than others.

However, this would support emerging data that suggests older parents to higher incidents of children with autism. Further studies also show correlation of fertility drugs and IV birth to autism, which older couples are more likely to use than younger fertile couples. So these pockets in white affluent areas so not surprise me as white affluent couple wait to have children and use fertility drugs and IV at a higher rate than the general population.

11 posted on 01/06/2010 9:25:17 AM PST by 11th Commandment (History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme - Mark Twain)
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To: GauchoUSA

I believe some earlier research showed that people with high IQs tended to have more autistic children. (I have no time to dig around on the internet for it right now though.) If true, that they might tend to live in similar areas (cities) would not be surprising, but the geographic location would not be causal.


12 posted on 01/06/2010 9:29:04 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: 11th Commandment

Your point may be tied with what I heard (see post 12) since people with higher IQs may tend to wait later in life to have children, and may tend to use IVF or other similar procedures more often. It would be interesting to see a detailed “census” of autistic families.


13 posted on 01/06/2010 9:37:47 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: Eva

All the libs in Silly Con Valley and the vulture capitalists there tell us how clean high tech is. Maybe that hot chick lib Erin Brokovich with the silicon chest (played by Julia Roberts) can sue Apple.

A lot of dope smoking and drug taking in MexiFornia too.


14 posted on 01/06/2010 9:38:08 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Eva

Interesting. I know a woman who also has two austistic kids (fraternal twins) and she herself is an Engineer.


15 posted on 01/06/2010 9:42:00 AM PST by Help!
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To: GauchoUSA
So...access to health care causes autism?

Or maybe money causes autism...or autism is proportional to the amount of toilets you've got in your house...or...

Wait till they discover the link between old age and cancer. The death panels will love that one.

16 posted on 01/06/2010 9:52:33 AM PST by Fredgoblu
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To: Oldexpat

CA provides those same benefits to all children who are referred by physicians for special education. So, just imagine the costs to the tax payers.


17 posted on 01/06/2010 9:57:59 AM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: NormsRevenge

There is no connection between autism and vaccinations. None. It has been proven over and over. There is a very real risk from people not vaccinating their children. Check out some videos of kids with pertussis. It will make your hair stand on end.

I agree with the other comments. Autism has been found to have genetic links. It is also found more often in the children of older parents. And, it is often found where there are extra benefits provided for autistic children, as opposed to kids with other mental issues or retardation. Doctors know that more resources are available to autistic kids, so they have a tendency to use that diagnosis to help out the parents in getting more help.


18 posted on 01/06/2010 10:03:48 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Help!

You have heard of Asperger’s syndrome, the so-called Bill Gates syndrome? It’s just a variant form of Aspers. I think that my brother has it. It seems to be an over abundance of logic and a deficit of emotion, combined with an exaggerated sense of self interest. There are all levels and a myriad of types of autism, it seems. When we were in grade school the school board sent a delegation to our home to inform my parents that my brother had scored higher on the IQ test than anyone in the school district had ever scored, yet, he was essentially a disinterested student.


19 posted on 01/06/2010 10:07:29 AM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: Pining_4_TX

You mentioned genetics. Very lkely some are more susceptible than others for just this reason.

I have no kids and I survived my childhood but these days, I am still suspicious of over ‘doctoring’.. and your point on docs misdiagnosing to assist the parents get help elsewhere is a good point.

How many different vaccines are kids subjected too these days before they hit 6? How recent are those studies?


20 posted on 01/06/2010 10:09:36 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: Pining_4_TX

The vaccine theory may not be totally discounted. Gulf War Syndrome where troops got sick with many different symptoms may have been caused by too many vaccines taken at the same time. The mercury preservatives may not be the problem but the side reactions interacting with each other. From birth to kindergarden children must take many vaccines.
Tibit info, Amish do not eat processed foods, and take immunization shots, their autism rate is 1 per 15000 while nearby non Amish neighbors have autism rate of 1 per 150.


21 posted on 01/06/2010 10:50:00 AM PST by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: GauchoUSA

Do not take this study at face value. I have a background in statistics and studies like this are extremely difficult and error-prone. This is more likely noise and random variations in their data than true variations. Since the authors are from a university their politics is almost certainly left-wing so they may have some ax to grind, which will affect their analysis and presentation of the results. Read the Climategate emails to see how ‘objective’ these ‘scientists’ are.


22 posted on 01/06/2010 11:16:06 AM PST by fifedom
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To: Eva

Just saw this post. My daughter has special needs (brain injury that caused severe speech problems, epilepsy, auditory problems, and other issues), and we live in California.

“California mandates that all special education students have mental health counseling through the public health system (they put them on ritalin). “

We have never, ever recieved any mental health counseling from California, and my daughter needs it. She’s been to a private psychiatrist and psychologist.

“They also provide respite service for the parents.”

They have never provided any respite services for us.

“all day pre-school for the handicapped.”

They did provide pre-school, but there were 2 choices: 1 was an afternoon class that we tried, but it was during my daughter’s nap time, and she needed to take a nap.

There was a morning class provided, but it was at a school where that is primarily Spanish and the class would have been taught in Spanish.

It was very hard to get any good services for my daughter.

We have always had to provide private services for her in order to get her needs met.


23 posted on 01/29/2010 7:13:11 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Oldexpat

They were horrible with a kid with a brain injury. Maybe it’s different if a kid has autism, but we never received much from California.


24 posted on 01/29/2010 7:14:56 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

I don’t know where you live, but in Orange County, the schools contact Orange County Public Health and Orange County mental health. If the school hasn’t done that for you, you need to call them yourself as well as make a complaint to the school district, special needs dept. I’m surprised that your pediatrician didn’t put you in contact with the public health dept. If the services are there, you may as well take advantage of them. You are paying for them.

I had to contact a private speech therapist to get speech therapy for my daughter’s language deficit. The California schools are way behind in identifying specific learning disabilities and want to lump them all under low IQ, which is sometimes indeterminable, when it’s hidden beneath several layers of disability.


25 posted on 01/30/2010 3:43:23 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: csmusaret
So they have found 10 locations with a large number of doctors who are predisposed to diagnose autism.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
26 posted on 01/30/2010 3:46:18 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: luckystarmom

My daughter received one on one therapy and play skill training. We went twice a week and once a week, I got free counseling because I told them that I was angry all the time because of her behavior. For some of the kids, the counselors or social workers went to the schools to observe the children at recess and in class.


27 posted on 01/30/2010 3:48:28 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: Eva

I’ve been in contact with everyone I can, including a lawyer. I’m in San Jose, and our district is notorious for being bad. It’s like they are okay if your child has autism or down syndrome, but not if it is something out of the box.

After talking to a lawyer and a friend who actually won a case against her school district, we decided just to get the services privately. We’ve had good health insurance that has paid for a lot, and then we max out our health saving account.

I have a pretty good selection of private therapists/doctors by now (speech, occupational, psychologist, psychiatrist, neurologist).

A lot of the problem is that she is high functioning in so many ways. She goes to a regular private junior high, and is getting A’s & B’s with little accomodations.

The worst year was 3rd grade. She was having all these strange symptoms (covering her ears and shouting “shut up” “shut up”, and terrible melt-downs, lots of headaches), and I didn’t know what was going on. The district just thought I was crazy. All the specialist thought it was just stress, but they were wrong. I finally took her back to the neurologist, and before we could have an EEG, she had a grand mal seizure. Once she got on anti-seizure medication, the strange behaviors stopped.

We’re lucky because we can afford to send her to private therapists/school. I feel so sorry for families that can’t do that.

The most frustrating part for me is that the school district led us down the wrong path for her on many occasions. They never told us she needed to be taught sign language. They literally told us she didn’t need it, and it would hurt her. Even if they would have said, we can’t provide the services, but this is what she needs. Our district lied to us about things.

I have to let it go, but I really hate that my taxes go to fund the district.


28 posted on 01/30/2010 10:18:02 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

I was doing some research on diagnosis and symptoms recently. One of the articles I read stated that it was the fastest growing diagnosis in silicon valley since Attention deficit disorder.

Problem is there is no definitive test, and plenty of disagreement about how to diagnose autism-especially for high-functioning children.


29 posted on 01/30/2010 10:24:40 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: luckystarmom

The school districts put kids in boxes, they limit the services according to IQ or potential benefit. So, if a low performing Downs syndrome kid has a speech problem, no services are provided, but a high performing child might get services.

It is possible that in my case, the school district was extra attentive because they were proved wrong. The speech therapist demonstrated that my daughter had a language deficit, not a low IQ. She just got words mixed up. She could describe what an object or picture was but could not name it. The private therapist made the school speech department look like a bunch of idiots. What happened in our case was that the speech therapist wrote a letter to the school explaining where they went wrong and demanded a full evaluation and IEP. We had meetings that were like hearings. The school lost.

The teachers on the west coast are still very deficient in learning disability training. My daughter went all the way through high school before I heard the term, dyscalclia, from a friend who is a learning disabilities specialist in Florida.


30 posted on 01/31/2010 8:12:14 AM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: Eva

We had an independent evaluation done (at the district expense). We could have picked our own, but we used the one that the district selected.

The neuropsychologist that did the evaluation went to the IEP, and said it was the worst IEP she had ever been to. She said usually school districts actually want to help, but not ours.

After the IEP, the neuropsychologist said to my husband and I “So what school are you transferring your daughter to?”.

My daughter always performed high on the standardized testing. She does well with multiple choice tests. However, she could write a sentence because she has word finding problems. Also, she couldn’t sound out words she hadn’t memorized. We put her in a school with a pull-out multi-sensory reading program, and then her private speech therapist really worked on her word finding problems and taught her lots of tricks when writing. The therapist also taught me ways to get my daughter to recall words (mainly by asking questions).

School is still difficult for my daughter, and she has to work for good grades. She is a slow reader, but has good comprehension. She listens to books on CD/MP3s for book reports with lots of reading. Her writing is a bit simple, but she can pull out an essay when she has to. It takes her more time than most kids, but she can do it.

The good thing is that she is not lazy. She gets really irritated at kids that don’t do their homework or study. (I don’t blame her.) At this point, she’ll be able to go to college. We’re thinking a state college near our house, so she can still live at home and get any tutoring she might need.


31 posted on 01/31/2010 1:35:48 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

No, that is not true about districts wanting to help. They only want to help with easy definable problems. If it gets too complicated, they tell you that the child doesn’t qualify because the help would do no good and just frustrate the child and everyone else.


32 posted on 02/01/2010 12:50:31 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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