Newspapers' birth announcements: So what ?

WorldNetDaily ^ | January 07, 2010 | Jerome R. Corsi

[RobinMasters]

Contrary to the claims of critics of citizens who demand Barack Obama produce evidence of his presidential eligibility, newspaper birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 did not necessarily indicate a baby was born in the state.

As WND reported, Glenn Beck ridiculed the so-called birther movement on his nationally syndicated radio show Monday, pointing to identical birth announcements published in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin as evidence Obama was born in Hawaii and, therefore, is a natural-born citizen as required by the Constitution.

Beck, and two colleagues, mocked "birthers" for purportedly believing a wild conspiracy in which Obama's parents, knowing he would someday be president, "preemptively" collaborated with two separate newspapers to publish phony announcements stating he was born in Hawaii.

[danamco]

Don’t you see it was addressed to cowgirl???

[Tamar1973]

According to that rule previously posted, it’s 5 years from the 14th birthday, not 5 years from the age of majority. Which one is it?!

Can’t have it both ways!

[danamco]

She says: "and is a natural-born American citizen," see the strange wording and hyphen.!!!

natural-born AMERICAN (?) citizen???

[danamco]

They Specifically wrote Natural Born CITIZEN as defined by Vattel in The Law of Nations.

But Fukino writes: "natural-born AMERICAN citizen!!!

Never heard or seen that before???

[American Constitutionalist]

" BS. Whether or not another BC exists is irrelevant to my point. Hawai’i allowed residents out of state to register births. They did not check to see if other BCs existed. "

Out of state, or out of country also....



Ohhh, Good day ladies and Gentlemen, this is Uncle Maowie , hope your doing fine.
Ohh yes, those Freepers are so smart and very well informed, and the Obots, and the Main Fringe Media useful idiots are so so dumb.
Ohh yes, so true, the Hawaii polices back in 1961 were so lax that even a caveman and Uncle Maowie could get a Regirstered Birth Certificate from the state of Hawaii...
Ohh yes, your very own Uncle Maowie, ohh so true, even I , Uncle Maowie could have had people go to Hawaii with some people, show them bogus documents, show a really really sad face, swore false statements, and BINGO !! I , Uncle Maowie is even a Natural Born US Citizen .....
Go Yankies,
Eat Apple Pie and Rice !

[American Constitutionalist]

According to the law back in 1961, she would have to have been a US citizen for 10 years, 5 after the age of 14, so ? she would have to have been 19 years.

[American Constitutionalist]

Correction :
According to the law back in 1961, she would have to have been a resident for 10 years in the US, 5 after the age of 14, so ? she would have to have been 19 years.

[Tamar1973]

So those 14 year olds who are legally allowed to get married in some of the southern states, can’t confirm US citizenship status for their own children until they are 19 (and the child is 5 years old)?!

[Lee'sGhost]

Wow! That was a real Southernphobic thing to say. Been hating people from the South long?

In the United States, all but two states require a couple be age 18 in order to marry without parental consent. Nebraska sets the age at 19 and Mississippi at 21 at the time of this writing (May 2003). A few states will waive this requirement if there is a pregnancy involved, but the couple may still have to have court approval.

http://www.coolnurse.com/marriage_laws.htm

[Lee'sGhost]

Hahaha... So it WAS a conspiracy to fake his birth place so he could become president 40+ years later.

Actually, that’s what the lib idiots and Beck would say to your comment — and keep saying it. It really chaps my @ss that they don’t get it. Stanley and her parents just wanted Zero to be an American citizen, not a Kenyan, or whatever. That’s why it was registered despite the fact he wasn’t truly born here, IMO.

I approach this logically. If Zero WAS born in an Hawai’ian hospital, wouldn’t that hospital NOW claim to be the birthplace of Oshithead? (Well, maybe not now that even libs see he’s a fascist, but certainly right after the election.) And IF it was a HIPAA/privacy issue, wouldn’t they just ask permission to state such a fact? And wouldn’t he give it, not caring that anyone knew?

That’s a simple, logical analysis — not of the documents — but based on the way people view and recognize historic events, such as the birthplace of a president. It makes perfect sense.

I have said before, it would add a lot of meat to the speculation — or answer it once and for all — if an Hawai’ian historical society/group announced that they wanted to put up an historical marker where Zero was born and asked Zero to give the place of his birth and permission to the hospital to confirm. Both perfectly logical things to do.

But that’s not happening, is it. So, according to Glen Beck and stupid liberals — and apparently Jamese777 — I’m a conspiracy nut simply because I can add 2 + 2 and balk because I keep being told the answer is 666.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

I see 338-17.8 .. where are you seeing 338-18.8?

Typo on my part. The point remains the same, though. It's a law passed in 1982.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

If she was 18, she had not lived five years past the age of majority and could not confer natural born citizenship upon her son by birth in the US alone if the father was a foreign citizen.

Wrong. That rule only applies to births overseas.

Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952
Title III, Chapter 1. Sec. 301

(a) The following shall be nationals and citizen of the United States at birth:

(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totallying not less than ten years, at least five of which was after attaining the age of fourteen years.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2423634/posts

[LorenC]

It really chaps my @ss that they don’t get it. Stanley and her parents just wanted Zero to be an American citizen, not a Kenyan, or whatever. That’s why it was registered despite the fact he wasn’t truly born here, IMO.

So if Stanley Ann was so desperate to have her son registered as having been born in America, to the point where she and her parents conspired to defraud the Hawaiian government, then why exactly would she travel halfway around the world to give birth in a third-world country in the first place?

Seems to me, if she *really* wanted to have her son born in America, she simply would have, y'know, stayed in America.

I have said before, it would add a lot of meat to the speculation — or answer it once and for all — if an Hawai’ian historical society/group announced that they wanted to put up an historical marker where Zero was born and asked Zero to give the place of his birth and permission to the hospital to confirm. Both perfectly logical things to do.

But that’s not happening, is it.

Last time I checked, there's no historical marker at Yale New Haven Hospital either. And they've had nine years to put one up. Is that suspicious too?

[Lee'sGhost]

“Seems to me, if she *really* wanted to have her son born in America, she simply would have, y’know, stayed in America.”

Unless maybe she delivered sooner than she expected. Or figured out late that her husband was scum. Or perhaps was unable to get travel plans. Didn’t get money in time.

Feel free to continue the list...there’s probably more than, y’know, a hundred reasons.

“Last time I checked, there’s no historical marker at Yale New Haven Hospital either. And they’ve had nine years to put one up. Is that suspicious too?”

Well, the question is, have you ever checked? I rather doubt that you have.

[LorenC]

Unless maybe she delivered sooner than she expected. Or figured out late that her husband was scum. Or perhaps was unable to get travel plans. Didn’t get money in time.

None of those explain why a woman in her third trimester would go to a third-world country she'd never even visited before, when she simultaneously *desperately* wanted her child to be born in the United States. So your notion is that she married Barack Sr., got pregnant, decided to travel to Kenya while pregnant intending to come back before the baby was born, got stuck in Kenya, gave birth in Kenya, and then had her parents fraudulently report a Hawaiian birth to Hawaiian officials so as to protect the baby's future Presidential eligibility? Oh, and somehow coasting through U.S. Customs with a baby that she didn't have when she left the country?

Your theory of her behavior is utterly irrational. You're so desperate to place her in Kenya that you're willing to ignore that the simplest explanation for all the evidence is the straightforward: he was born in Hawaii. No secret international flights, no baby-smuggling through customs, no fraudulent vital records. Just an ordinary birth in an ordinary hospital.

Well, the question is, have you ever checked? I rather doubt that you have

You obviously have never checked, as your doubts are misplaced. Per WorldNetDaily, just five months ago:

"The third president born in a medical facility, George W. Bush, was welcomed into the world in 1946 at the Grace–New Haven Community Hospital – later renamed the Yale–New Haven Hospital – in New Haven, Conn. No plaques or monuments mark the hospital as Bush's birthplace"

[Tamar1973]

That might be the case now but it wasn’t back when I was a teenager. When I was a teenager, many states had provisions for 14 yo girls (and even younger) to get married w/ a judge’s consent. There’s nothing “Southernphobic” about stating that.

Getting a little sensitive and thin-skinned, aren’t we? It seems to be a common trait among “birthers”.

[jamese777]

Hahaha... So it WAS a conspiracy to fake his birth place so he could become president 40+ years later.

Actually, that’s what the lib idiots and Beck would say to your comment — and keep saying it. It really chaps my @ss that they don’t get it. Stanley and her parents just wanted Zero to be an American citizen, not a Kenyan, or whatever. That’s why it was registered despite the fact he wasn’t truly born here, IMO.

I approach this logically. If Zero WAS born in an Hawai’ian hospital, wouldn’t that hospital NOW claim to be the birthplace of Oshithead? (Well, maybe not now that even libs see he’s a fascist, but certainly right after the election.) And IF it was a HIPAA/privacy issue, wouldn’t they just ask permission to state such a fact? And wouldn’t he give it, not caring that anyone knew?

That’s a simple, logical analysis — not of the documents — but based on the way people view and recognize historic events, such as the birthplace of a president. It makes perfect sense.

I have said before, it would add a lot of meat to the speculation — or answer it once and for all — if an Hawai’ian historical society/group announced that they wanted to put up an historical marker where Zero was born and asked Zero to give the place of his birth and permission to the hospital to confirm. Both perfectly logical things to do.

But that’s not happening, is it. So, according to Glen Beck and stupid liberals — and apparently Jamese777 — I’m a conspiracy nut simply because I can add 2 + 2 and balk because I keep being told the answer is 666.

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I do not believe that people are “conspiracy nuts” simply because they take a different position on an issue from me. I am fascinated with the legal issues involved in the Obama eligibility challenges and I have researched the issues carefully in order to try to separate fact from fiction.

Obama does not have to have been born in a hospital in order to be a natural born citizen. Many US presidents were not born in hospitals. If Obama had been delivered by a midwife on a beach in Oahu, he would still be a citizen-at-birth.

Furthermore since the passage of The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA)a hospital would be in violation of federal law if it released any information on the birth of a child in that facility without the consent of the person who was allegedly born there.

From a political point of view, every unsubstantiated rumor, every bit of unproven gossip and every poorly written and weakly argued lawsuit that is dismissed or denied a full hearing benefits Obama and makes his opposition look pathetic and desperate.

Thus far there have been more than 60 legal challenges to Obama’s eligibility including six at the US Supreme Court. Obama has won in every one of those legal challenges including going 6 for 6 in rulings at the US Supreme Court.

“The defintion of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”—Albert Einstein

My solution to this issue is via the criminal courts not the civil courts. Any prosecuting attorney in the nation could launch a forgery/fraud investigation concerning Obama’s internet posted Certification of Live Birth and then that prosecutor could subpoena the original birth documents from Hawaii for examination by experts in front of a Grand Jury. If everything is on the up and up, no harm, no foul. If there is fraud or forgery, Obama would be impeached faster than you can say “Rod Blagojevich.”
To date, no prosecutor in the nation has been willing to take that step.
“If you hit the King, you have to kill him.”

[American Constitutionalist]

" Hahaha... So it WAS a conspiracy to fake his birth place so he could become president 40+ years later. "

Whether that is a stretch of the imagination or the truth is to be shorted out while people are in search of the truth...
Glenn Beck and others seem to be at a brain freeze in a state of being naive to think that all people are pure and innocent as the wind driven snow and think that people could not devise such shenanigans...
To think and say and mock those who are birthers and say that it's a coast to coast kook conspiracy to think that someone got in a time machine to promote this conspiracy and placed those 2 news paper adds back in 1961... that is the wrong angle or perspective to look at it... got to look outside the box to find answers.
It's not beyond the stretch of the truth or imagination to think that some relatives of a baby ( any baby ) born, could live in another state or country and called the news paper and give them the information.

[Traveler59]

Don’t you see it was addressed to cowgirl???

Look at it again. You addressed both of us on that message.

- Traveler