Skip to comments.Newspapers' birth announcements: So what ?
Posted on 01/06/2010 5:41:28 PM PST by RobinMasters
Contrary to the claims of critics of citizens who demand Barack Obama produce evidence of his presidential eligibility, newspaper birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 did not necessarily indicate a baby was born in the state.
As WND reported, Glenn Beck ridiculed the so-called birther movement on his nationally syndicated radio show Monday, pointing to identical birth announcements published in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin as evidence Obama was born in Hawaii and, therefore, is a natural-born citizen as required by the Constitution.
Beck, and two colleagues, mocked "birthers" for purportedly believing a wild conspiracy in which Obama's parents, knowing he would someday be president, "preemptively" collaborated with two separate newspapers to publish phony announcements stating he was born in Hawaii.
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Glenn Beck is an ignorant nut or idiot. Either that or he is deliberately aiding and abetting evil.
The author doesn’t know what is talking about. If Obama’s mother was an American citizen, he is a “natural born” citizen no matter where he was born.
The only thing those announcements prove is that someone called a newspaper and said a baby was born.
I think Beck, much like O’Reilly, will grab onto ANYTHING that allows them to brush this off, because they, for whatever reason, do not want to bark up this tree.
It is plainly obvious to me that obama lies about every single thing, his entire life is a lie, he most certainly did not attend columbia university, but I am supposed to believe that, despite his constant lying, he is telling the absolute truth about his origins.
The president is a fraud, Mr. Beck, and I think you know it as well as anyone else.
Stop being a little coward, and do your job.
Understand what a dual citizen is, Kirk, which he is by his own admission. You are wrong.
I believe the mother was not of age to pass on natural born status.
Beck is a RINO. /s
Where does it say that the mother has to be “of age”?! No where I’ve seen. I think some birther pulled that out of his A** and people made it some kind of comeback ever since.
It’s a well known fact that anyone can go to the post office with a newspaper cut out and a .jpeg picture of their COLB on their cell phone and get a passport. It should be good enough for the commander and chief of our armed forces with his greasy finger on the nuclear button. /sarc
Just because he may not be looking into Obama’s birth and he may not share our concerns in that area, doesn’t make him either ignorant nor an idiot.
He’s concentrating on other immediately alarming issues. There are many to choose from. Anyone who watches his show knows that.
Beck may be wrong on this, but he’s right on so much more.
Obama admits that he’s a dual born citizen on his site: “fly kites with queers”.
Are you saying your hero is a liar?
Regarding Obama’s eligibility there are only TWO possible conclusions that can be made:
1) Beck is an ignorant idiot.
2) He is being deliberately evil.
Doesn’t make any difference, dirka, his dad was a british citizen at the time of obama’s alleged birth.
If, in fact, his dad is who obama claims he is, then obama is not eligible, end of story.
But it doesn’t matter, because there are far too many cowards, idiots, and morons in this country, so nothing is going to be done about it.
Let’s just hope Bin Laden’s children don’t decide to run for president, because Obama’s use of the constitution as toilet paper has left the door wide open.
That is patently false.
All it took was a witness (doctor, midwife, or other) to sign the registration form.
After that if newspapers got birth information from the state's department of vital statistics it was all there -- and like Obama no mention of a hospital in the newspaper.
RE: Obama's long form birth certificate
All we are saying
is give release a chance.
You “think” that. You mean you don’t think. Give the people who have actually read the law that applied at that time some credit. I’m not going to repeat it here, since it’s been sliced, diced and laid out clearly so many times already.
I think some are trying to quiet this down because it’s not going to go anyplace for now. Maybe some day.
All I want to know is why he spent so much money and time trying to silence everyone and why he didn’t show America the ‘real deal’.... you know, just for the hell of it. Looks like he would have been proud to show it.
Like I said...down the road.
From the U.S. State Dept. website http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was too young to meet the age requirement.
You are one of those people who thinks everyone who doesn’t agree with you is evil. No. Sometimes they’re just wrong.
If you only associate with those who agree with you on everything, you’re in for a lonely life.
If Obamas mother was an American citizen, he is a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.
Nay, Captain. Under the law in force at that time, a child born outside the US - with ONE parent who is a US citizen and one who isn’t = is a natural-born US citizen IF the US-citizen parent had spent ten years in the US over the age of 14.
While that has recently changed to 5 years, it still would not apply to someone born in 1961.
The mother wasn’t of age at the time of the birth is what I understand the problem is with that. Besides, both of McCain’s parents were American citizens, yet his citizenship was in question because he was born on a Naval base outside the states and he had to produce his official birth certificate during the election, which he did with no qualms.
Simple question if Obama’s father was a US citizen and his mother was a kenyan would he still be natural born?
That isn’t that clear cut. The whole point is to get the Supreme Court to make a clear ruling on this.
What is odd is that over 30 times in the last 100 years Congressional committees have put forth an amendment that states what you believe...that as long as one parent is US Citizen then the child is natural born...HOWEVER the measures never even made it out of committee.
If what you said was true then the liberals in Congress would never have even spent any time working on that.
Additionally a lawyer within the firm that supported Obama during the campaign wrote a paper that argued the position that natural born citizen as the US has defined needs to be changed...then the paper was mysteriously scrubbed from the University Law dept when Obama announced his candidacy and now that paper is available in the archive at the school.
There are many loose ends in this discussion it is a legitimate claim to want to see historical and background information on someone who is President. Anyone near or around the President ALL of this information is clearly known and vetted...but for some reason it hasn’t been necessary for Obama and that can only mean one thing: He is hiding something very big! We deserve to know what that is.
McCain’s citizenship was never in doubt. As the child of two American citizens, he acquired citizenship at birth.
The question was whether or not he was a “natural born” citizen, as required by the Constitution for someone to be President. “Natural born” is more restrictive than simple citizenship.
There’s plenty of explanation of the difference between the two here on FR. Please read so you know the difference, because it is entirely possible that it will be a serious issue in the future.
Simple question if Obamas father was a US citizen and his mother was a kenyan would he still be natural born?”
If the parents were married, the wife automatically became a citizen, so yes the baby would be a NBC. It’s the STILL in your question that does not belong there. He is not a NBC right now.
Absolutely not true. No matter "where" Barry was born, he was born, at best, a dual citizen, which he even admits to on his website. At the time of his birth, he was both a US citizen and a British subject, and according again to his own website he was a citizen of Kenya. How then can a dual citizen also be a Natural Born citizen? See this post for more info:
You haven’t been paying any attention to this story for the past couple of years, have you?
The issue isn’t precisely her age at the time of birth, but the amount of time she lived in the U.S. after her fourteenth birthday.
If Obama was born outside the U.S., he never was and is not now a U.S. citizen. If he was born IN the U.S., he never was and is not now a “natural-born” U.S. citizen.
Bone up before making further comments.
No, still not right.
If the child was born outside the US with ONE parent who is a US citizen and one who isnt, the child would acquire citizenship at birth if the mother was old enough and had met U.S. citizenship requirements in force at the time of the birth.
HOWEVER, the child would not necessarily be a “natural born citizen,” which is an entirely different thing.
Specifically, in Obama’s case, and regardless of his place of birth, he was a British subject at birth because his father was a British subject.
Even assuming that he was born on American soil and received American citizenship, he would still be a dual citizen with dual allegiances. That alone, no matter where he was born, raises compelling and legitimate legal arguments that he is ineligible according to the Constitution to be President. The Founders, in their own words, made it clear that the leader of the nation should have no split allegiance.
More Spock, less Kirk here. Pay attention.
Foreigners don’t become citizens just because they marry a citizen. They may be granted legal residency, but a marriage never conveys citizenship.
Transporter accident. That explains your grotesque failure of intellect.
But nobody has yet proven that Stanley Ann Dunham was not in Hawaii at the time of her son’s birth.
All we have is the boasting of people in Kenya whose veracity is doubtful.
It is highly unlikely that an pregnant American teenager would travel to Kenya to give birth.
If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born citizen by right granted by the 14th amendment.
This is regardless of his mother’s age, marital status, the citizenship of his father, any other citizenships he might be eligible for, the opinions of a French legal scholar from before the United States existed, or Jerome Corsi’s (who is often wrong about most everything) interpretations of law.
We are stuck with him until Noon on 20 January 2013. He’s not going anywhere until then.
It is about Beck. Only TWO conclusions can be drawn regarding Beck's comments on Monday:
1) He is an ignorant and ill-informed fool.
2) He is deliberately aiding and abetting evil.
“If the parents were married, the wife automatically became a citizen,”
After further research, this is wrong. The baby would not be a NBC.
“Foreigners dont become citizens just because they marry a citizen”
You’re right, I made a mistake. I checked and realized I was wrong. Thanks, I was checking as you were posting...lol
Anybody with half a brain who has watched Beck’s show these past few months knows that he has sliced, diced, and done serious harm to Obama’s agenda. For you to hurl such insults at him over this one issue is simple ignorance.
But I haven’t read Beck’s latest book, so I’m not really qualified to argue with you.
It’s a complicated and confusing subject for us non-legal types. Easy to make mistakes.
The author doesnt know what is talking about. If Obamas mother was an American citizen, he is a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.
Ding, ding, ding. WRONG!
www.obamacrimes.com has this to say:
Renewing an Indonesian Passport after the age of 18 is an affirmative act, as you are swearing allegiance to another Country. Soetoro/Obama renewed his Indonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan, that is why he had to stop in Indonesia first. Remember, in 1981, Dunham was divorcing Soetoro in Hawaii and was not in Indonesia. Obama/Soetoro admits to traveling to Indonesia first and then onto Pakistan. Soetoro/Obama claims in his book Dreams from my father that he stopped in Indonesia to visit his mother. But again, his mother was not in Indonesia, she was in Hawaii with Maya, divorcing Lolo Soetoro. In addition, the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.
Despite the above however, Indonesia required Obama/Soetoro to do a bit more upon his 18th birthday. In fact the Indonesian law gives until the age of 21. Soetoro/Obama would have had to sign an Affidavit relinquishing his Indonesian citizenship and said Affidavit had to be sent to the Indonesian Government before reclaiming any U.S. citizenship he may have once held.
When it comes to the citizenship of individuals in other countries, we are prevented from interfering, Hague Convention 1930. Speaking of Indonesia, during the late 60s all the way up until 2006 Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. In 2006 they changed their laws to permit dual citizenship, however, Indonesia has had its battles with enforcing their new law permitting dual citizenship.
With this said, from the research we have done, it appears that Soetoro became an Indonesian citizen. When Soetoro/Obama was approximately four (4) years old his parents divorced and thereafter, Soetoro/Obamas mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Evidence points to the fact that Lolo Soetoro either signed a government form legally acknowledging Soetoro/Obama as his son or adopted Soetoro, either of which changed any citizenship status Soetoro/Obama had to a natural citizen of Indonesia.
At the time Barry Soetoro was in Indonesia, all Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all family members.
Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960s or 1970s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the childs name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). The Indonesian school record, indicates that Soetoro/Obamas name is Barry Soetoro; his nationality is Indonesia and his father Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).
Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the childs relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.
The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when both countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a natural citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.
As a result of Soetoro/Obamas Indonesian natural citizenship status, Soetoro/Obama could never regain U.S. natural born status, if he in fact he ever held such, which we doubt. Soetoro/Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork were filed with the U.S. State Department, after going through U.S. Immigration upon his return to the United States; in which case, Soetoro/Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship indicating naturalized.
We are informed, believe and thereon allege Obama/Soetoro was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Soetoro/Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Soetoro/Obamas mother did not return with him. Therefore, it appears that she did not apply for citizenship for Soetoro/Obama in the United States. If citizenship for Soetoro/Obama had been applied for in 1971, Soetoro/Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship. If Soetoro/Obama returned in 1971 to Hawaii without going through U.S. Immigration, today he would be an illegal alien and obviously not able to serve as President, but also his term as a United States Senator from Illinois for nearly four (4) years was illegal. We further believe Soetoro might have reentered the United States at age ten (10) by showing a copy of his Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth, which he received when his birth was registered in Hawaii.
In addition, we have been unable to locate any legal documents wherein Soetoros name was legally changed from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama. Soetoro/Obamas silence on these issues is deafening and his refusal to release such records to prove that none of this occurred results in his status as Acting Commander in Chief at best, and a willful action on his part to deceive the American People and the Armed Forces of the United States so that he may wield power that is in non-compliance with the United States Constitution.
I know. Somewhere I had heard that the Man’s citizenship is what is transferred to the baby. I had also heard that the wife’s citizenship was determined by the husband. Turns out this is not completely true. The baby part is, but the wife part isn’t.
Nope. To be a natural born citizen of any country you need two parents that are citizens of that country. Obamas father was Kenyan and a British subject.
Obama may be a citizen but he is not NBC. The only time natural born citizen is mentioned for elective office is the qualifications for Pres and V Pres.
For ANY other office one only needs to be a citizen ala Ahnold.
My question was to another poster that believes that he is a Natural Born Citizen even though his father was never a US citizen.
So I want to know if the sexes were reversed would he still have the same opinion on this issue.
You’ve made an important point: we don’t know much of anything about Obama’s background or his family. Almost everything we’ve been told is his story — and we know how honest and straightforward The One is, don’t we? Open and transparent, eh?
Other than some evidence that Stanley Ann and the child were in Washington state in the late summer/fall of 1961, there are no known witnesses or evidence as to her whereabouts from the fall of 1960 until she returned to Hawaii with a child in 1962.
No evidence of a pregnancy, or a birth. No reason, other than his word, that Obama was born in August, 1961. No evidence that the parents were legally married or that Obama Sr. is the boy’s biological father.
Throw out everything you’ve been told or read. List only those facts that can be backed up with evidence.
There’s not much there. What is there, the stray document or picture, often contradicts the story he’s told us or raises more questions. Lots of inconsistencies.
It’s a tantalizing and frustrating puzzle, and I, as a patriotic American, resent it. This guy has gone to great lengths to hide his past from us, and that is wrong.
Wrong — and likely to backfire one of these days. There are too many people looking, and too many loose ends, and someone, somewhere, who knows.
I think you are the stupid nut!
Oh were Ben Ladens's children (didn't know he had any) born in the US? If so they may run but good luck on being elected.
Not so Captain. I have a COLB (Certificate of Live Birth) just like Prez 0bama. Mine was issued at the US Consulate in Frankfurt, Germany. I can assure you I wasn't born at the Consulate. I was born at a military hospital in Germany, and I have the US Army paperwork to prove it. However, under the Status of Forces Agreement in NATO countries my real/true birth certificate is German. I was born on German soil, therefore my registered birth certificate is German.
Now, for the second part of your statement. Because I was born in a country that recognizes dual-citizenship, before I could enlist in the USAF I had to get a Social Security number, to get that I had to declare allegiance to one country or the other (USA/Germany). The only way for me to declare allegiance to the USA was to go through INS and apply for citizenship. Yep, both my parent were born in the US (WI & IN). Yes, my father was active duty stationed in Germany at that time. And finally, yes I do have a US Certificate of Citizenship (and I know what a nightmare it is to get one.)
While I was active duty (recently retired) I ran into more than five other servicemember, former GI brats like myself, who also went through the same mess.
So, bottom line is that this COLB with Barrack Obama's name on it doesn't mean a darn thing to me, I want to see the registered birth certificate.