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Newspapers' birth announcements: So what ?
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 07, 2010 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 01/06/2010 5:41:28 PM PST by RobinMasters

Contrary to the claims of critics of citizens who demand Barack Obama produce evidence of his presidential eligibility, newspaper birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 did not necessarily indicate a baby was born in the state.

As WND reported, Glenn Beck ridiculed the so-called birther movement on his nationally syndicated radio show Monday, pointing to identical birth announcements published in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin as evidence Obama was born in Hawaii and, therefore, is a natural-born citizen as required by the Constitution.

Beck, and two colleagues, mocked "birthers" for purportedly believing a wild conspiracy in which Obama's parents, knowing he would someday be president, "preemptively" collaborated with two separate newspapers to publish phony announcements stating he was born in Hawaii.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beck; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; corsi; eligibility; glennbeck
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To: DJ MacWoW

So the folks in Kenya were estatic about his birth..... but we conclude this is false. So the folks in Honolulu have still not stepped forward to exclaim they were there and even helped in the ward he escaped from


51 posted on 01/06/2010 7:10:07 PM PST by Kenika
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To: RobinMasters

I studied the whole birther thing for a while.
For me the newspaper birth announcement was a major stumbling block.

On the other hand, Obama spent a million or two fighting the release of his birth certificate.

My guess is there is something else to hide other than where he was born.


52 posted on 01/06/2010 7:40:35 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Jedidah

Jedidah said: It’s a complicated and confusing subject for us non-legal types. Easy to make mistakes.

So you are saying that you are a legal expert? Then explain this, why was it before the 1922 marriage act, women followed the condition/citizenship of the male aka father, then husband?

What happened is that this act of 1922 left American women who married foreigners in a precarious situation as they were now considered foreigners themselves, thus in 2 later congressional acts, it was changed and thus the dual citizen was born per the courts, but it was never recognized or made law by any statute passed by Congress. Here’s the historical breakdown of US citizenship from our country’s founding.
http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/bringing-the-constitution-into-the-21st-century/


53 posted on 01/06/2010 7:48:41 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: patlin

I said “us non-legal types.”


54 posted on 01/06/2010 7:53:50 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Kenika

You can conclude anything that you like. A President has to be NBC to qualify and Obama is not Constitutionally eligible.


55 posted on 01/06/2010 7:57:55 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Jedidah
I stand corrected, thank you, now how about you?

Do you still stand behind your comments of which you had no legal basis to make? Do you wish to correct your mistake or have you legislation i have yet to uncover that refutes my findings?

You see I have compiled much more since I originally posted that article in July and as of yet, not one Obama supporter has been able to refute my evidence.

Also, I do not educate on mere hearsay. I actually study & educate myself before writing & speaking, something more should be doing before their erroneous comments are forever archived in the ‘Internet’.

56 posted on 01/06/2010 8:08:37 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: patlin

Patlin —

I am confused. You seem to think that you have some argument with me, and I truly don’t know what you’re talking about.

Do you think I’m an Obama supporter?

I read the link in your e-mail and found it very interesting. After reading it, I feel sure that we are on the same side.

If you have a bone to pick with me, you’re going to have to be more specific, because I don’t understand.


57 posted on 01/06/2010 8:15:32 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: DJ MacWoW

Shhh, you’re interrupting the obamanoids while their protecting admin Mod is monitoring FR. They have only a limited amount of protected time each day. She doesn’t work round the clock.


58 posted on 01/06/2010 8:20:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: LucyT

ping!


59 posted on 01/06/2010 8:25:11 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Jedidah
You may be close to being on the same side,m but you still have not grasped the entirety of the issue of how one obtains NBC citizenship status at birth and why & how the election of 2008 was a total fraud. Read this, then let's discuss how you perceive the issue.

http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/a-congressional-natural-born-citizen-parts-i-ii-iii/

60 posted on 01/06/2010 8:26:54 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: MHGinTN; Jim Robinson
Oh dear. NOW I've done it! :-)

Actually I am on the right side of this as JimRob has said there is something very wrong with Obamas eligibility.

And now I have to be polite and ping the boss because I posted about him. lol

61 posted on 01/06/2010 8:28:40 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Lower55
I had also heard that the wife’s citizenship was determined by the husband. Turns out this is not completely true. The baby part is, but the wife part isn’t.

It was true in the United States prior to 1922. It was a determining factor at Marie Elg's birth in 1907, determining natural-born citizenship in Perkins v. Elg.

To what partial truth are you referring, as far as derivative citizenship being the law, at the time the Constitution was ratified, all the way through to 1922?

62 posted on 01/06/2010 8:29:04 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: DJ MacWoW

I’m sure when she goes off duty, Jim will follow up on it ... ahem, maybe.


63 posted on 01/06/2010 8:32:52 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I don’t think the boss could answer all the pings that he must get but I still try to be polite. :-)


64 posted on 01/06/2010 8:36:00 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born citizen by right granted by the 14th amendment.

This is regardless of his mother’s age, marital status, the citizenship of his father, any other citizenships he might be eligible for, the opinions of a French legal scholar from before the United States existed, or Jerome Corsi’s (who is often wrong about most everything) interpretations of law.

It appears...

...you are correct.


65 posted on 01/06/2010 8:37:45 PM PST by Drew68
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To: patlin

No.

I’m going to bed. It’s cold here, and I’m tired.

You have no idea whether I, as you so rudely put it, “still have not grasped the entirety of the issue.”

You are a relative newcomer to FR. I’ve been here much longer, have followed this issue closely, and I can guarantee you I know at least as much about this whole subject as you do.

Settle down, show some respect, and go insult/pick a fight with someone else who is willing to deal with your insults. You may be a very nice person, but tonight you just sound annoying and arrogant.


66 posted on 01/06/2010 8:38:26 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Captain Kirk
" If Obama’s mother was an American citizen, he is a “natural born” citizen no matter where he was born.

Source?

67 posted on 01/06/2010 8:41:51 PM PST by Godebert
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To: GreenLanternCorps
"If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born citizen by right granted by the 14th amendment.

The 14th amendment has nothing to do with the NATURAL BORN citizenship.

68 posted on 01/06/2010 8:52:35 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Godebert
I don't understand why they don't get it. That was for slaves.

14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution LOC

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified on July 9, 1868, and granted citizenship to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States,” which included former slaves recently freed.

Hasn't a darn thing to do with natural born citizenship.

Also "Ahnold" is a citizen but can't be President because he's not an NBC. Same boat Obamas in. But they have a blind spot.

69 posted on 01/06/2010 9:02:06 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Captain Kirk; Traveler59
If Obama’s mother was an American citizen, he is a “natural born” citizen no matter where he was born.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Traveler,

My first husband went through a similar process. He was born and raised in Aruba. Both of his parents were American citizens. His parents had to register him with the embassy and their was important paperwork that needed to be filed to secure his American citizenship. His birth certificate is from Aruba. As a young adult had quite a bit of paperwork to do to renounce his Dutch citizenship both here in the states and with Aruba. The Dutch Army even tried to draft him.

70 posted on 01/06/2010 9:22:49 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Also "Ahnold" is a citizen but can't be President because he's not an NBC. Same boat Obamas in.

Except Obama's not in a boat. He's currently residing in the White House.

71 posted on 01/06/2010 9:32:00 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

And Ahnold is in a Governors mansion. Your point?


72 posted on 01/06/2010 9:36:46 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: RobinMasters
Question with boldness !!
73 posted on 01/06/2010 9:38:29 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Jedidah

First of all, you have no proof BHO was born abroad.

You have NO PROOF his mother left the country before he was born. Since she was a minor up to shortly before his birth, she would have required the permission of her own parents to leave the USA.

There’s nothing in that statute that says anything about the age of the mother at the time of the birth of the child so your comment that “she was too young” to confer her own citizenship onto her child are ridiculous.

Birthers make thinking conservatives look stupid!


74 posted on 01/06/2010 9:38:35 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Freedom of the Press?! I need Freedom FROM THE PRESS!)
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To: DJ MacWoW
And Ahnold is in a Governors mansion. Your point?

My point? Natural born Obama is eligible for the presidency unlike naturalized Arnold who's not. Needless to say, they're not in the same boat.

75 posted on 01/06/2010 9:42:42 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Tamar1973; Jedidah
There’s nothing in that statute that says anything about the age of the mother at the time of the birth of the child

Really?

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Birthers make thinking conservatives look stupid!

Who looks stupid? Afterbirthers that can't read.

Goodnight.

76 posted on 01/06/2010 9:45:23 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Drew68
You have a personal axe to grind that colors your logic.

Goodnight.

77 posted on 01/06/2010 9:46:28 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“To what partial truth are you referring, as far as derivative citizenship being the law, at the time the Constitution was ratified, all the way through to 1922?”

Not sure what you mean, but 1922 is a long time ago. Obama is not that old, I don’t think...lol


78 posted on 01/06/2010 9:53:25 PM PST by Lower55
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To: MilspecRob

It doesn’t matter where they were born, the natural born citizen clause in our constitution has been rendered meaningless by obama and the entire federal government that is willfully protecting a man who has admitted that he was a dual citizen at birth.

Furthermore, never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter. All one would have to do is assume a false identity and run for the democrat nomination, just like obama did, precedent has been set.


79 posted on 01/06/2010 9:55:31 PM PST by chris37
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To: DJ MacWoW

And you have no proof she ever left the country since she was a minor at the time (or barely 18) when Obama was born.

I rest my case!


80 posted on 01/06/2010 9:56:09 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Freedom of the Press?! I need Freedom FROM THE PRESS!)
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To: Lower55

The eligibility clause in Article II is much older than 1922, and still applies under the original intent of the Framers, having never been amended or challenged. That’s why it matters.


81 posted on 01/06/2010 9:59:16 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Tamar1973
I never said otherwise. My point was that you made assertions that weren't true. It most definitely does list an age.

You can rest your case all you like. You were wrong.

82 posted on 01/06/2010 9:59:17 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Traveler59

VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES SUPREME COURT
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College ... Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general.

LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T!


83 posted on 01/06/2010 10:10:32 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: Cowgirl

This was posted on April 1st and is a hoax.


84 posted on 01/06/2010 10:17:50 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Tamar1973
You have NO PROOF his mother left the country before he was born. Since she was a minor up to shortly before his birth, she would have required the permission of her own parents to leave the USA.

1. What's the big deal of parent's permission? All one needs IF asked is a piece of paper with the permission. Most all jurisdictions grant emancipation (status of majority) upon marriage, which Stanley Ann did in February 1961. Showing her marriage certificate should qualify her as able to leave the country. Who would you need to get permission from, your parents or spouse?

2. Stanley Ann Dunham turned 18 on November 29, 1960. The questionable time of here whereabouts begins after the end of 1959 Fall College Session, which ended after she was 18, and around the time she was married and emancipated.

3. Why has the state department stalled on an FOIA request for Stanley Ann Dunham's Passport records since November 2008? They admit they must produce them but they haven't yet. They can't stall forever.

85 posted on 01/06/2010 10:30:49 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: rolling_stone

correction to my #2 1960 not 1959.


86 posted on 01/06/2010 10:32:30 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Captain Kirk

Are you really that “f” n ignorant? Being born of one parent who is an American does not constitute “Natural Born”

Natural Born means born of two parents who are both American and on American controlled soil.............

Are you a troll or something?


87 posted on 01/06/2010 10:43:33 PM PST by neverbluffer (But,)
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To: Seizethecarp; bgill; Whenifhow; malkee; STE=Q; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; ...
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Beck, and two colleagues, mocked "birthers" for purportedly believing a wild conspiracy in which Obama's parents, knowing he would someday be president, "preemptively" collaborated with two separate newspapers to publish phony announcements stating he was born in Hawaii.

I know of no one who believes their dumb conspiracy statement, and if that is their definition of "birther" then it doesn't include anyone on FR.

*Perhaps* some of us are Constitutionalist. For a definition, see my next post, below.

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[Thanks, Seizethecarp.]

88 posted on 01/06/2010 11:07:01 PM PST by LucyT
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(Excerpted)

You might be a Constitutionalist if...

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that elected leaders should really obey the U.S. Constitution.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe the federal government should live within its means, like everyone else is forced to do.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you think that taking away people’s liberties in the name of security is neither patriotic nor does it make the country more secure.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you would like to see politicians be forced to abide by the same laws they make everyone else submit to.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that we have three coequal branches of government that are supposed to hold each other in check and balance.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the federal government has no authority to be involved in education or law enforcement.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that gun control laws do nothing but aid and abet criminals while trampling the rights and freedoms of law abiding citizens.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the income tax is both unconstitutional and immoral and, along with the I.R.S., should be abolished.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that freedom has nothing in common with illegal immigration.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that outsourcing American jobs overseas is not good for America.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the United States should get out of the United Nations and get the United Nations out of the United States.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the Boy Scouts are not a threat to America.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the federal government should honor its commitments to America’s veterans.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that U.S. troops should never serve under foreign commanders or wear the uniform or insignia of the United Nations.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the federal government has no business bribing churches and faith-based organizations with federal tax dollars.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that federal agents who murder American citizens should be held to the same laws and punishments that any other citizen would be held to.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that NAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and the FTAA are disastrous compromises of America’s national sovereignty and independence.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you would like to see Congressmen and Senators be required to actually read a bill before passing it into law.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that it is the job of government to protect and secure God-given rights not use its power to take those rights away.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that airport screeners have no business touching women’s breasts and confiscating fingernail clippers.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that governmental seizure of private property is plain, old fashioned thievery.

(Excerpted from an article on Chuck Baldwin’s website.)


89 posted on 01/06/2010 11:09:56 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT
Outstanding Post!!!...;0)
90 posted on 01/06/2010 11:27:20 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Thank you. I especially like these two:

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that elected leaders should really obey the U.S. Constitution.

-You might be a Constitutionalist if you would like to see politicians be forced to abide by the same laws they make everyone else submit to.


91 posted on 01/06/2010 11:30:37 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Quite Welcome,Lu,,,

I just skimmed part of the thread ,,,

Seems to me that some folks want to throw out parts of

the U.S. Constitution,,,

A very dangerous thing to do...


92 posted on 01/07/2010 12:01:12 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Captain Kirk
The author doesn’t know what is talking about. If Obama’s mother was an American citizen, he is a “natural born” citizen no matter where he was born.

Quite so. Glenn Beck has pegged the birthers nicely. They are a waste of time.

Obama's problem is not that he is constitutionally ineligible. Under the Constitution, he is a natural born citizen, and thus eligible to be president. Obama's problem is not that he fails the Constitution's fine print. Rather it is that he is not an American, natural born or otherwise, in his own mind!

Of course, the Sheeple were supposed to figure that out a year ago last November. But they didn't. He needs to fail big-time, so that even the Sheeple will recognize their mistake!

93 posted on 01/07/2010 12:18:09 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: Captain Kirk
I respectively tell you that you are wrong and need to research natural born status a little more. If it was as easy as you state, then most of us wouldn't be following this so closely (including myself).

Besides, why won't he just get Hawaii to send his long form to major news organizations. It's not like it won't stop him from getting a higher job position.

94 posted on 01/07/2010 4:24:51 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (I support Checkbook Conservatives!)
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To: ANGGAPO

The fact that they went to the trouble of digging up newspaper announcements instead of putting out his real birth certificate should tell people that there is a problem. I am sure there is a birth announcement for me, but I have never seen it. I present my BC when I need to. I don’t show a stupid newspaper clipping.


95 posted on 01/07/2010 4:28:52 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (I support Checkbook Conservatives!)
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bump


96 posted on 01/07/2010 4:39:04 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Drew68

Not according to the Supreme Court. The 14th Amendment did not affect the preexisting requirement in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5. Nor does any law passed by Congress affect that requirement. There would have to be a constitutional amendment to affect that requirement.


97 posted on 01/07/2010 4:39:37 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I’ve seen the newspaper announcement, it looks doctored.

There are several curiosities about it, first is that it was discovered by a Hillary supporter that initially had problems getting a hold of it, second that the only duplicate source for it is the university library in Berkley, California, and the third is that it does not show the birth of Northdyke(?) twins during the same time frame.

Afterbirthers pointy to it as documentable proof that Obama was born here because they say that the newspapers only accept birth records from the state of Hawaii, and yet the Twins that were born in the same frame and at the same hospital as Obama supposedly was are noticeably absent from the newspaper records.


98 posted on 01/07/2010 4:57:08 AM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping, LucyT.

Yep, the term *Constitutionalist* sure fits me. He seems to be using sarcasm as a way to avoid really addressing the problem....which is BO’s ineligibility.


99 posted on 01/07/2010 5:53:00 AM PST by azishot
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To: Coachm

It doesn’t matter how old the mother was if the father was Obama Sr. he can NOT be a natural born citizen. For those who argue that if he was born in Hawaii he is a natural born citizen: use some common sense. If that were the case, Osama Bin Laden could impregate someone, send her over here when it was time to deliver and that child could grow up to be President. If the framers were that stupid and short sighted we would never have survived as long as we have. I know common sense is in dangerously short supply these days but come on. You can’t be that stupid.


100 posted on 01/07/2010 8:20:31 AM PST by Josephat
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