Skip to comments.Is the Secret Service Targeting the Birthers?
Posted on 01/07/2010 5:49:05 AM PST by Sophia777
Over the past year, Secret Service agents charged with protecting President Obama seem to have taken a keen interest in the Birther movement, the committed group of anti-Obama activists around the country who claim the president was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and is thus ineligible to serve. The idea has been widely and repeatedly debunked (see FactCheck.org's thorough takedown here), but that hasn't stopped Birthers from doggedly making their case in American courtrooms, to US attorneys, and even to a rural county grand jury, in the hopes that a judge will rule in their favor and Obama might eventually be removed from office. Those efforts have failed spectacularly, but they seem to have succeeded in placing the Birthers on the radar of the Secret Service.
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Proving what? Did that change his place of birth or citizenship?
What this Administration has done is to show that a written constitution is no more valuable than an unwritten one. The have driven through the American Constitution with a tank, then backed up over it repeatedly in case they missed something the first time through. The Tea Party movement is more important than most people realise. It is time that a parallel movement sprung up to challenge the illegalities in court - I am thinking of Judicial Watch on MEGASTEROIDS. Ignore the media they have just rolled over.
This is bad. Folks need to focus on the abuse of federal power against dissenting citizens rather than the birth certificate in this case. The abuse of power against dissenters by the Clintons spread throughout the government in ways that would have made JFK/LBJ/Nixon era feds jealous.
They learned from their experiences abusing power in the ‘90s.
Why not try to post the same thing this morning and see what happens.
Many of us are capable of focusing on more than one issue at a time. We are multi-taskers, if you will.
If the focus is on his ineligibility and it is proved he is the usurper many of us believe him to be, then he would be removed from office along with his abuse of federal power. Therefore, killing two birds with one stone, as it were.
Do you notice if it’s with a particular type of story you are commenting on?
Whith me, I was commenting on the terrorist attack planned for NY on 9/11/09 and how BO was not going to stop the attack untile he got tipped off by the Brits.
see post #28
I think it has to do with the story that is being commented on.
If the secret service visit doesn’t work to dissuade these individuals from investigating 0bama, perhaps a nighttime call by interpol will do the trick. Follow that with an invasive IRS audit and we can all rest easy knowing that out Dear Leader is being properly protected.
“They tried to dissuade me from what I was doing, but I wasn’t going to have anything to do with that “
Oh yes, the power of persuasion. Or would that be the persuasion of power. Oh, I don’t know what’s the difference in Amerika today.
BTW, FDR played little tricks like this with the owner of the Philadelphia Inquirer when FDR became a little peeved with the paper’s criticism. An IRS audit was ordered and by golly, the owner was found to be in violation of the law, fined and imprisoned.
I agree the abuse of power needs to be a focus. DC finds ways around the Constitution or just ignore it and the press is complicit. However, I’m not focused on the BC/Kenya thing. My opinion is that Obama is not a natural born citizen because of his father. And I don’t usually frequent these threads anymore as it’s the same posters saying the same tired rhetoric that we don’t need to focus on Constitutional questions.
First, it is not simply a matter of being born in the USA. The president must BE a Natural Born Citizen, ie born on US soil of 2 citizen parents. IF Obama Sr. is indeed his daddy, then he is NOT a NBC even if he was born in HI, per the laws at the alleged time of his birth.
2. I'm no constitutional lawyer, but if this is a government by the people, then why don't the people have standing in a case...
No need to be a constitutional lawyer to know we certainly do have standing. See the reference to SCOTUS and the picture posted above.
I saw it. Different complaint. And that screen isn’t a popup. And it happens. For a myriad of reasons.
I love how the media plays along with Saul Alinsky in their methods surrounding the legitimate questions that citizens have.
I would argue the majority of the people raising questions about Natural Born Citizen are more looking for a definitive answer from SCOTUS on this issue. Why does this need to be grey area? Why can’t their be a debate and/or discussion on the Constitutional requirement. Why can’t this be totally out in the open?
There must be something here that is going to cause a problem for some in power...so they:
They freeze it:
It is about whether he was born in Hawaii or not
They personalize it:
They are “birthers”
They polarize it:
These people are nuts, if you believe what the birther’s believe you are out of touch and a danger
Who would want to be in the group? The fact of the matter is they misrepresent what is going on here. It is amazingly frustrating that an ordinary Joe cannot find out about things about their elected officials that are responsible for our overall security and are spending our hard-earned money.
Wasn’t it Obama that promised transparency? So why are these questions a problem? Why are people so willing to defend him on this? It makes no sense - one person could stop ALL of this - that is Obama and in fact if he did answer these questions with irrefutable proof it would be a major boost for him and political agenda. Since his agenda is so important to him doesn’t it make sense for him to solve this problem.
I think the people that are raising questions are eventually going to have more issues with organizations like INTERPOL then they are from internally.
“No need to be a constitutional lawyer to know we certainly do have standing.”
If true, why are all of these cases being thrown out due to “lack of standing”?
What I take from this is that Fitzpatrick is fighting the good fight, and the Secret Service has become something of a Gestapo organization.
The other disturbing thing I have noted is that the absurd FactCheck.org is being hailed as a credible source of information.
I swear, it's like the entire Nation has become Jonestown Version 2.0.
You and me both, Melinda.
I am still angry at Rush for refusing to discuss this very fact.
For the same reason that Townhalls and the Tea Party movement is being marginalized.
Please note this is quite simply JUST MY OPINION --
because they can and "we the people" are allowing it.
Hey Secret Service. Your boy is a lying Communist punk, and until I see the BC I consider him to be an illegal invader who has taken over my country by force. Yes, MY country.
Yeah and OJ committed his crimes more than 15 years ago. Does the passing of time absolve guilt?
Or how about this: Try not paying your credit cards for a year. See if after that time has passed the creditors stop calling you for payment.
I’ve seen what you are talking about, and that’s not what I got last night.
What I got last night was a couple of bold typed lines saying my sat signal was out because of weather. It was a message I was recieving.
When my sat signal is uot because of weather I can’t send or recieve. The weather is worse now than it was last night.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
You're a troll. They used magical Secret Service powers to stop some FR newbie from posting? LOL. If your service dropped due to weather, maybe, perhaps, it was the WEATHER.
VERY VERY INTERESTING
“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. The usurpers, clothed with the forms of legal authority, can too often crush the opposition in embryo. The smaller the extent of the territory, the more difficult will it be for the people to form a regular or systematic plan of opposition, and the more easy will it be to defeat their early efforts. Intelligence can be more speedily obtained of their preparations and movements, and the military force in the possession of the usurpers can be more rapidly directed against the part where the opposition has begun. In this situation there must be a peculiar coincidence of circumstances to insure success to the popular resistance.
The obstacles to usurpation and the facilities of resistance increase with the increased extent of the state, provided the citizens understand their rights and are disposed to defend them. The natural strength of the people in a large community, in proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny. But in a confederacy the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate. Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people, by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. How wise will it be in them by cherishing the union to preserve to themselves an advantage which can never be too highly prised!
It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system, that the State governments will, in all possible contingencies, afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority. Projects of usurpation cannot be masked under pretenses so likely to escape the penetration of select bodies of men, as of the people at large. The legislatures will have better means of information. They can discover the danger at a distance; and possessing all the organs of civil power, and the confidence of the people, they can at once adopt a regular plan of opposition, in which they can combine all the resources of the community. They can readily communicate with each other in the different States, and unite their common forces for the protection of their common liberty.
The great extent of the country is a further security. We have already experienced its utility against the attacks of a foreign power. And it would have precisely the same effect against the enterprises of ambitious rulers in the national councils. If the federal army should be able to quell the resistance of one State, the distant States would have it in their power to make head with fresh forces. The advantages obtained in one place must be abandoned to subdue the opposition in others; and the moment the part which had been reduced to submission was left to itself, its efforts would be renewed, and its resistance revive.
We should recollect that the extent of the military force must, at all events, be regulated by the resources of the country. For a long time to come, it will not be possible to maintain a large army; and as the means of doing this increase, the population and natural strength of the community will proportionably increase. When will the time arrive that the federal government can raise and maintain an army capable of erecting a despotism over the great body of the people of an immense empire, who are in a situation, through the medium of their State governments, to take measures for their own defense, with all the celerity, regularity, and system of independent nations? The apprehension may be considered as a disease, for which there can be found no cure in the resources of argument and reasoning.”
VERY interesting indeed.
I wish I was as smart as you and had all the answers.
Are you logged in?
Understand. But the days of tolerating the political elitists may be coming to an end... at least we can hope that those who pay for everything have finally had enough. Time will tell...
Oh Lord, hear our prayer...
Buy a one way ticket to the United States with cash and no luggage: Delta is ready when you are.
Asking President Obama to produce his original COLB:
Who can it be knocking at my door?
Go ‘way, don’t come ‘round here no more.
Can’t you see that it’s late at night?
I’m very tired, and I’m not feeling right.
All I wish is to be alone;
Stay away, don’t you invade my home.
Best off if you hang outside,
Don’t come in - I’ll only run and hide.
In Jesus' name, AMEN!
If the story has no merit, why has Obama spent nearly $2MM defening himself against such “smear tactics”.
See post #58
I was commenting on the report that the Brits had to tip BO off tho the terrorist attack on NY.
Fact Check is from the Annenberg Foundation, and coincidentally, Soetero was on the board of The Annenberg Challenge in Chicago with Bill Ayers.
Direct link, probably not, but if the NY Yankee foundation tried to clear Derek Jeter of some wrondoing, would you be slightly suspicious? I am.
You won’t believe this, but then again you probley will. PING
Because he is a fraud and a liar who most likely has no Constitutional validity to hold office.
But don't let those beliefs get in his way, as he has transformed the Secret Service into his own version of the Gestapo.
“If the focus is on his ineligibility and it is proved he is the usurper many of us believe him to be, then he would be removed from office along with his abuse of federal power.”
This is the problem with the whole birther movement. Only a blind as a bat apostate could possibly beleive this would ever happen.
In fact, the exact opposite would happen, Obama would be the recipient of a deluge of sympathy and the birthers would be portrayed as mean spirited, ignorant boobs.
If you don't pay your credit card bill for 8 years there is a statue-of-limitations on the account. But in this case you cant even prove Obama made the charges to the credit card(he isnt american) , you are demanding he prove he didn't make the charges(that he is american to your satisfaction) , and the statue of limitations has expired also(he is president a year).
Any other analogies?
Yes I was loged in . It appears my post have now come up.
I’ve got a sat dish. If there is bad weather between my dish and the sat, I can’t send or recieve. I get a message from my comp saying there is no signal. Last night I was recieving messages saying I didn’t have a signal. the weather doesn’t discriminate between incoming and outgoing signals.
The focus of your reply in post #76 adds credibility to the accusation in post #74.
I already gave you the OJ one. There is no statue of limitations on MURDER.
Barry the Usurper committed FRAUD in 2008. What is the statute of limitations on that? Hmmmmmmm?????
junkman_106 ~ Funny, Ive been getting cant locate the server pop-ups as well. Especially when Im on FR. Wonder whats up?
DJ MacWoW ~ No other poster has been flagged in such a manner. And theyd say so if they had. Theyd be yelling.
*shrug* I've been having odd things happen when I'm on FR. I just figured it was Darks...
I wouldn’t worry. Secret Service can do nothing to birthers.
I suggest that the use of Secret Service to “check up” on law abiding first amendment citizens demonstrates an overwhlming need for the State of Hawaii to release Obie’s long form certificate in the public interest. The taxpayers money being spent on this justifies the need to know overcoming Obie’s privacy interests. Why are taxpayers paying because of Obie’s hidden records?
While they are at it why isn’t the SS investigating and prosecuting those who have destroyed our financial system and economy through fraud and corruption? Does their protecting national leaders include covering up his crimes and intimidating those who try and get the truth? Have they investigated the President’s citizenship and eligibility?
This is their mission statement:
The mission of the United States Secret Service is to safeguard the nation’s financial infrastructure and payment systems to preserve the integrity of the economy, and to protect national leaders, visiting heads of state and government, designated sites and National Special Security Events.
Yeah that’s odd. I do get “can’t connect to server” screens on FR sometimes. More now since Obeyme’s election.
On so many levels.
OTOH, Suppose we take him at his word and assume there is something "personally embarrassing" on his BC?
I believe/know a very few things:
The CoLB that his campaign released is a forgery.
Someone risked jail time to forge this document.
It takes all of half an hour on the 'net, and about $25-$40 to have a legitimate certified copy of your own BC delivered within a week.
Therefore, I conclude that there must be some compelling reason to falsify his BC.
The compelling reason that comes to mind is that the real document would kick him out of the running for being the most powerful man on earth.
From this I conclude that his true documentation shows one or more of the following truths:
He was not born in the United States, and is therefore constitutionally unqualified for the job. This is a show stopper. There is no way to "fix" this or inoculate himself against this. It is the premier presidency killer issue.
Therefore, I regard this as the most probable explanation for the deceit.
All the other possible reasons are much lower grade:
His BC shows that he's a bastard. Although this might be personally embarrassing, nobody cares, a goodly fraction of the electorate is in the same boat, or closely related to someone who is.
His birth name isn't Barak Hussein Obama. So what? We already know his his name changed when he was adopted in Indonesia. People can and do change their names, it isn't a crime, or even particularly shady.
The only question it really raises is why did he chose a muslim name? That's rather easy to explain away - he took his genetic father's name. Who can argue with that? Especially when muslim names had some popularity among blacks who didn't know just how deeply involved muslims were in the slave trade.
His real birth certificate lists his race as something other than "African". This would be more of a problem. His whole campaign was founded on his being "the first black president". Still not lethal to the presidency, but it would be awkward to 'splain away.
There is something else embarrassing on his official BC.
There could be nothing conceivably embarrassing about:
His time of birth
His city of birth
His county of birth
His island of birth
His religion (Religion is not even listed!)
His mother's race
The date it was filed
A few things could be a slightly embarrassing:
The serial number? Maybe? Suppose it's really 151-1961-000666?
His father's name wasn't listed. Not terribly unlikely if he and Stanley Ann split up before he was born. No one cares.
His mother's maiden name. Suppose she really did use her Anna Toot drinkin' ID to get married? Would that really suffice as a reason for someone to risk jail time by falsifying his documents? More to the point, would it disqualify Barak? I don't think so. If anything it could be played for the sympathy vote, young naïve Stanley Ann trying to do her best in covering up the mistakes of her youth. Mother's maiden name listed as Anna Toot? Yawn.
That leaves his birth name. Was it really the noble and exotic Barak Hussein Obama II?
Or was it Mortimer Snerdly Toot, hmmmm?
One other possibility, but it's so odd I hesitate to mention it:
Approximately 1% of live births are hermaphroditic to a noticeable degree. Perhaps his birth certificate lists him as a girl or a hermaphrodite (do they do that???). If nothing else, that would explain his pitching, and if Larry Sinclair is to be believed, his catching style...
Oh Nully! What a loaded statement. I ain't sayin' nuthin'.
I just figured it was Darks... That's the plausible explanation. :-)
He is legally president now. I do remember some Birth-certificaters posting a year ago all Obama’s signed laws would be invalid because they didnt personally approve his birth certificate(yet Ann Coulter says she thinks it is valid.) . But if all his laws are really invalid, why should we bother to call congress to oppose any invalid laws that Obama will sign? Can we default on the T bills the treasury sold?
There is also no statute of limitations on TREASON.
Yesterday, sickoflibs was defending Margaret Sanger. You are banging your head against a lib wall talking to them.