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National Effort to Amend the Constitution Launched
Breitbart ^ | 01/07/2010

Posted on 01/07/2010 6:42:19 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

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To: Responsibility2nd
10 is alot, hob 'bout we start with 1:

Congress shall follow the Constitution as written. For interpretation see: Federalist Papers.

51 posted on 01/07/2010 7:49:56 AM PST by wny
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To: RetiredArmy
As for No. 12, you are screwing the old folks on SS, who paid into that fund and now are collecting. You can't punish those who paid into the program for getting back some of what they put in the stinking lefty program.

SS should sunset with the 50 year debt elimination provision. My point is that no one should be able to vote on his own benefit. People should be allowed to determine and provide for their retirement.

52 posted on 01/07/2010 7:53:31 AM PST by depressed in 06 (Tea parties today, Lexington tomorrow.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

OK, but since Congress, the courts, and all federal, State, and local government agencies including law enforcement have completely ignored the current Constitution, what’s there to say they will follow anything new in it?

The corruption is too far gone, the bribery a matter of routine “campaign contributions”, and, frankly, they really don’t give a sh*t what you think of their ignoring the Constitution. Hell, they are writing bribery right into the health care bill! In your face! Blatantly! What are you going to do about that?!


53 posted on 01/07/2010 7:57:16 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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While I agree that an actual CC would be a mistake, the threat of having one could spur Congress to act. Some of the current amendments only happened because of the threat of a CC.


54 posted on 01/07/2010 8:00:56 AM PST by webboy45
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To: Responsibility2nd

No matter how justified a reason is for a convention, care must be taken not to open pandoras’ box. A constitutional convention has an unlimited agenda...the whole thing is open to all comers, and the World has its liberals and totalitarians to funnel supranational agendas into the process to compete with the original intended purpose.


55 posted on 01/07/2010 8:03:34 AM PST by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes. This is a terrible idea.

The ConCon will be the end of the Republic as we know it. The left will seize control of it and, regardless of why it is conveined, will use it to overthrown our republic and eviscerate our Bill of Rights. Starting with the hated second ammendment.

Travis McGee’s excellent novel series: “Enemies Foreign and Domestic” is very specific about how this could be done.

A far better plan is to
1) Elect a conservative GOP Senate in 2010 and 2012
2) Elect a real conservative to replace Zero in 2012
3) Appoint more conservatives to the SC and
4) in time toss FDR’s unconstitutional Socialist reforms (including SSI).

And, of course, using the other mechanism to ammend the Constitution is great. That mechanism does not lend itself to mischeif making like the ConCon does.

The ConCon is the Alinkyite dream!!


56 posted on 01/07/2010 8:17:00 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: depressed in 06

How to Sunset Social Security, fairly.

Here, in my opinion, is the fairest method:

All SSI recipients have their total contributions (including employer match) calculated. Interest is applied using the rate of the 30 year T-bill, and is compounded.

For people who have not yet started collecting SSI this amount is sent to them in a check. This money can either be saved tax free, invested tax free, gifted tax free or willed tax free. It can be converted to an annuity, the proceeds of which are tax free.

Survivors recieve 100% of the contributions + interest of their spouse or parent, in the case where the contributor has passed away.

For people who have started collecting (or perhaps are within some small window of being able to, like over 60) they can either continue to receive benefits or take a one time disbursment based on the above formula, less money taken out.

People who collect from the system without ever having made a significant contribution (the ‘disabled’) are moved to state welfare or other welfare program.

(The combining of working people retirement system with a highly-abused ‘disabled’ program is perhaps the very worst feature of the horrible SSI program.)

To me this is fair, because it gives people what they earned. Nothing less, and nothing more.

The absurd gaming of the system would stop. The ability of politicians to reward and punish based on things like marraige (mostly a negative at this point, you are better off being in a gay relationship) stops.


57 posted on 01/07/2010 8:29:56 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: depressed in 06

12. No one receiving money from any government entity shall have a vote, except, members of the military.

So, anyone receiving Social Security retirement benefits, such as your parents may be doing, would not have the right to vote anymore. You may want to rethink your #12.... and while you are doing that, go tell your parents, aunts and uncles, that you want to take away their right to vote.... ha...


58 posted on 01/07/2010 8:32:13 AM PST by LaMudBug (OP)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Here is the background of the individual mentioned in the article. He is either a knowing Soros shill, a useful idiot, or just incredibly misguided. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say the latter.

William H. Fruth

William H. Fruth is the President of POLICOM Corporation, an independent economics research firm located in Palm City, Florida, which specializes in studying the dynamics of local economies.

He has personally evaluated the data for more than 600 local economies in the United States, created more than 150 economic and community studies, and, since 1998, has provided presentations and workshops for state-national associations and community forums in 33 states.

Through his analysis, he determines if an economy is growing or declining, what is causing this to happen, and offers solutions to improve or maintain the situation.

He is a nationally recognized leader in the field of geographic economics and also has extensive experience in economic development.

From 1988 to 1995, Fruth served as Vice President of a major industrial land development company directing the development and marketing of a 500-acre corporate park in the West Palm Beach, Florida area.

Prior to that, he was President of the Business Development Board of Palm Beach County, the economic development organization for the area. During that tenure was named Florida’s Economic Development Professional of the Year in 1987.

From 1980 to 1984, Bill served in a full time capacity as Mayor of Tiffin, Ohio. During this time, he was named one of the “Five Outstanding Young Men in Ohio” and was heavily involved in economic and community development locally and statewide.

Fruth has been recognized by the Florida Administrative Court as an expert witness regarding local economies and is a member of the American Institute for Economic Research and the American Economic Association.

Additionally, he is member of the International Economic Development Council, Florida Economic Development Council, and the Southern Economic Development Council.

Fruth received the Bachelor of Science and Master of Arts degrees from Bowling Green State University in Ohio studying political theory, communications, and journalism.

A video of a sample presentation is available upon request.


59 posted on 01/07/2010 8:34:34 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: LaMudBug

There are two classes of Social Security recipients. The first, and largest, class are those who are using it as a retirement system. As such they are not all recipients of “government money”. The government has acted as a trustee, and is simply repaying them their own money, or the benefits they are entitled to.

The problem comes with the ever increasing ranks of the “disabled” who fill the SSI roles. A younger black man, about 45, that I know had a pacemaker installed recently. He is in the process of getting SSI disability. Is he disabled? No, not really. I saw him at a bar recently having a vodka and cranberry juice. Does he have any real job prospects at age 45? None that suit him. So with his excuse in hand, some sympathetic doctors, lawyers and social workers I have little doubt he will soon be a ward of the state.

Again, in my opinion, one of the first things that must be done to fix SSI is to seperate out the various classes of peole using the program. It may be that society wishes to provide for the legitimately disabled. It is a bad idea to mix such a program with a contribution based retirement system.

(But again, the goal of the welfare class is not merely to survive with out working, it is to suffer no sanction, embarrasment of differentiation for doing so.)

For the same reason the “Earned Income Tax Credit” is the most offensive welfare program that the Democrats have yet instituted.


60 posted on 01/07/2010 8:43:07 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: paulycy
Paulycy's comment need to be repeated...


Pardon me for yelling but...

NO CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION IS REQUIRED.

We have a perfectly good Constitution already.

What we need is a NEW CONGRESS and POTUS.

Thanks for your indulgence.

61 posted on 01/07/2010 9:07:59 AM PST by Helen
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To: Responsibility2nd

a)Clearly define the meaning of socialism. Especially with respect to the government takeover of private businesses and banks.

b)Make sure we the people are not prevented from reviewing all bills being voted on by Congress. The legislative process must be transparent.

c)All bills must be read thoroughly before a legislator can vote on it.

d)Congress must govern according to the will of the people.The only except would be n the case of a national emergency such as war or natural or man-made disaster.

These are suggestions and should be worded appropriately and clearly.


62 posted on 01/07/2010 9:08:25 AM PST by orinoco
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To: chickadee

The last thing in the world we want is a Constitutional Convention. The left has all the organization and manpower and will be able to Constitutionalize the very things we are trying to prevent.


My initial thot, and I couldn’t agree with you more!!


63 posted on 01/07/2010 9:11:42 AM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: paulycy
What we need is a NEW CONGRESS and POTUS.

I agree kind of. The states first need to unplug from the current federal gov't, then convene a constitutional convention. Stop sending the current federal gov't money; let it shrivel into nothing. Send the old gov't and special interests to Hades together. Restore the original constitution, and mandate tort and political reform (especially political parties). Of course, we need an educated and determined electorate to do it.

64 posted on 01/07/2010 4:11:55 PM PST by virgil
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To: Responsibility2nd

The real constitution is in people’s hearts and minds.

The written constitution only reflects that.


65 posted on 01/07/2010 4:13:21 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: virgil
then convene a constitutional convention

Strongly disagree. We do not need a constitutional convention. Once you open the patient the best way to let it die is to just do nothing.

A constitutional convention would be subject to terrible corruption and misuse and instead of getting back what we already have in the existing Constitution we would lose or change what we treasure most because it would not be re-constructed as carefully and as fairly as it was originally written.

I do agree that the states need to tell the federal government to take a hike. That is something that may be forced on them soon and I hope they take up the challenge.

66 posted on 01/07/2010 4:17:35 PM PST by paulycy (AMERICA: Less safe. Less free. More broke.)
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To: paulycy

Still I think these states that get out would have to get together in some ways (trade, treaties..etc.) in order to survive. Washington won’t die quietly. We know them too well to think that.


67 posted on 01/07/2010 4:34:11 PM PST by virgil
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To: virgil
Washington won’t die quietly.

They do have command of the armed forces, at least formally.

68 posted on 01/07/2010 4:35:11 PM PST by paulycy (AMERICA: Less safe. Less free. More broke.)
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To: paulycy

Yeah, then there’s all of those military bases that are in the states. We could have another Ft. Sumter. The states do have their own militias.


69 posted on 01/07/2010 4:38:41 PM PST by virgil
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To: virgil
We could have another Ft. Sumter. The states do have their own militias.

That's true, too. But I was kinda hoping they'd fight it out in the Supreme Court as long as we have at least a minimal conservative advantage.

70 posted on 01/07/2010 4:43:26 PM PST by paulycy (AMERICA: Less safe. Less free. More broke.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

numbers 1 & 2 give unlimited taxation ability to an entity that can use force and death to get there... this is a stupid idea...

just return to the true meaning of the constitution... it already has a provision to handle debt... the states are responsible for the difference according to their population... that will stop the spending...

no more withholding or income taxes, ban the irs and stop the ability to feed the beast.

teeman8r

number 10... god can always be wherever you want him to be... that is the beauty of the 1st amendment... no need for another.


71 posted on 01/08/2010 6:15:50 AM PST by teeman8r (i liked GWB... really, i did.)
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To: Jack Black

Isn’t the International Economic Development Council a Soros group? Fruth just came out with a list of most economically viable communities.


72 posted on 07/04/2010 2:25:27 PM PDT by Eva (Aand)
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