Posted on 01/07/2010 2:01:47 PM PST by yongin
Instead of the PaulBots trying to defeat Obama, they were busy pressing some of the same views of Obama, anti war, 9/11 Truthers, etc.
That may be so. I wasn’t there and I believe you.
But, my stance is still the same. if the Tea Party members don’t get a grip and become more inclusive they will be a nothing more than a large faction which will only cause further destruction.
If anyone thinks Obama and his numbskull minions don’t have a 20 year list of hope and change they’re way off base.
The two things I worry about - voter fraud and the split in the Republican Party. We’ll hand ourselves to Pelosi and Reid on a platter if we don’t find common ground.
Peace out !
Of course he’s right/correct! The “tea party’ does not want to rebuild the Republican party...they want to get rid of the RINOS!
I am a Conservative Republican and agree we don’t need factions trying to split the Republican Party.
It only leads to a Democrat victory.
and yes, voter fraud is a real problem.
Terrific, thanks for the insight. how does stopping military aid to Israel and pulling out of the middle-east help America's interest, precisely? typed slower this time to better help you understand my question.
You're welcome for the insight, as it seems you need it. Oh...I never once suggested anything about funding Israel, and didn't even mention Israel, nor did I say a word about pulling out of the mid-east.
Here is what I stated, once more, just for you, and you'll note, Israel is not even mentioned, nor is "pulling out of the Mideast," even suggested:
Be suspicious of anyone who appears on the Rick Maddow show. Ron Paul, like Meghan McCain, is loved by the people on the left - so long as he's running down hawkish foreign policy, or the Patriot Act.
Hawkish foreign policy?
Our foreign trade policies favor other nations, we been at war with countries that have no standing armies, navy's or air-forces longer that both WWI and WWII...We are clearly not respected as the lone superpower that we once were...Not to mention America, (here at home) is being illegally invaded by foreigners, by the tens of millions, compromising our entire system, as our standard of living sinks, while our enemies economies, and standard of living increase..
If you disagree with something here, let me know.
This thread is about Ron Paul and his Paulians. Paul's position is exactly as I've stated. My original comment was precisely about the idiocy of Ron Paul and the Paulians. It was you that posted to me with your ridiculous rant about what the definition of "Hawkish" is.
Here's a newsflash - I don't give a squat what you believe appropriate "hawkish" foreign policy is. But, if you think - like RON PAUL thinks - that defunding Israel and pulling out of the middle east is "hawkish" or smart, then I can see why you're so enamored with Ron Paul.
Our foreign trade policies favor other nations, we been at war with countries that have no standing armies, navy's or air-forces, longer that both WWI and WWII...We are clearly not respected as the lone superpower that we once were...Not to mention America, (here at home) is being illegally invaded by foreigners, by the tens of millions, compromising our entire system, as our standard of living sinks, while our enemies economies, and standard of living increase..
I don't give a squat what you believe appropriate "hawkish" foreign policy is
LOL!
The only thing that's funny is that you keep repeating the same ol' same ol', and ignoring the question I've posed now at least three times. How does abandoning Israel and withdrawing from the middle-east help America's self interest in defending itself.
If you could answer that question, rather than repeat your adolescent rants, people might read the gibberish you've posted.
I don’t give a squat what you believe appropriate “hawkish” foreign policy is.
The Paulites are not conservative and are the ones trying to create dissention at the tea parties then claim ownership of them. I have no use for that.
Again, I never suggested anything in regards to that, and I never heard Paul suggest we "abandon" Israel...That being said, I think the way we've handled the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is absurd, and more like a politically correct police action than war.
Let me ask you some questions you never commented on. Well see how that works.
How does leaving our borders wide open to millions of foreigners, during war time...Giving tens of billions in foreign aid to countries that routinely vote against the U.S. in the UN....Passing trade laws that help our enemies...And allowing in tens of thousand of American hating Muslims into the U.S. annually, help America's self interest in defending itself?
Ya wannna explain those "hawkish" foreign policies?
Ron Paul ran on the Libertarian Party Platform in 1988.
I could not find the 1988 Party Platform but I did find the 1989 written Platform for 1990.
This is what the 1990 Platform was for immigration.
17. IMMIGRATION
We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference.
We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally. We oppose government welfare payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
Because we support the right of workers to cross borders without harassment, we oppose all government-mandated “temporary worker” plans. Specifically, we condemn attempts to revive the Bracero Program as government imposition of second-class status on Mexican-born workers.
We welcome all refugees to our shores and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our shores and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
That’s nice, but I didn’t belong to that party 20 years ago...lol
Ron Paul was it’s leader, and sought power through it.
That’s really nice, but had nothing to do with my response to the other poster in regards to his “hawkish” foreign policies comments.
Yes it did, you said “How does leaving our borders wide open to millions of foreigners” and “And allowing in tens of thousand of American hating Muslims into the U.S. annually”. Ron Paul was head of the Party that was and is, the most pro immigration party there is or was.
When did you join the party?
You need to read back, I was responding to the other poster regarding his specific, “hawkish” foreign policies comments. Now, run along an play....
You have also been talking about Ron Paul and also immigration along with it.
When did you join the party, you said that were not a member in 1988 but when did you become a member?
The more I hear of Ron Paul, the more I am convinced that everything he does is in the best interests of Ron Paul.
Exactly. He bashes the Republicans incessantly, but notice he never, ever bashes or criticizes the Democrats.
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