Posted on 01/07/2010 2:01:47 PM PST by yongin
That party lied like a crackhead in court.
Any other questions, ansell?
Yes, why all the hostility?
Thanks for posting that. Libertarians really are just Democrats who are more honest - They're more honest about gutting America's military. They're more honest about allowing the free flow of drugs across the border to be consumed unfettered by America's citizens, social costs be damned. And, they're more honest about what they want in border security - they don't want any border security.
Bill Maher is a Libertarian. That's all I need to know about the movement.
Hmm. Well, I would call ending all foreign and military aid to Israel, and adopting a "neutral" stance with all things related to the so-called Palestinian-Israeli conflict, "abandonment". Perhaps you and Ron wouldn't.
Paul is on record - on the house floor (when opposing H. Res. 34) and in proposed resolutions - that Hamas NOT be labeled a terrorist organization. Paul publicly and vocally criticized Israel's 2006 move against Lebanon. And, he - and most other libertarians - have advocated the cessation of aid, of all kinds, to Israel. These facts cannot be disputed.
"How does leaving our borders wide open to millions of foreigners, during war time...Giving tens of billions in foreign aid to countries that routinely vote against the U.S. in the UN....Passing trade laws that help our enemies...And allowing in tens of thousand of American hating Muslims into the U.S. annually, help America's self interest in defending itself?"
You're talking about foreign diplomatic policy - and some domestic policy - afterall, our border and the enforcement of our borders are a domestic issue, not a foreign issue. Hawkish and Dovish are adjectives that have traditionally been reserved for describing someone's willingness to apply force in international situation. My original was, and continues to be critical of Paul's almost absolute reticence about apply force in an international crisis. It's silly, it's dangerous and it's counter to America's safety at home. Ron Paul just doesn't get it.
Again, I never suggested anything in regards to that, and I never heard Paul suggest we "abandon" Israel...That being said, I think the way we've handled the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is absurd, and more like a politically correct police action than war.
Let me ask you some questions you never commented on. We'll see how that works.
How does leaving our borders wide open to millions of foreigners, and God knows what else, during war time...Giving tens of billions in foreign aid to countries that hate the U.S., and routinely vote against the U.S. in the UN....Passing trade laws that help our enemies...And allowing in tens of thousand of American hating Muslims into the U.S. annually, help America's self interest in defending itself?
I answered your question, now you answer mine.
I would call ending all foreign and military aid to Israel, and adopting a "neutral" stance
BTW, if were not neutral, which is fine, and everyone knows it, why was Israel not part of the Iraqi war coalition, fighting side by side with our troops?
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Israel is the only liberal democracy in a sea of either Islamo-Fascist or Petrol-Dictator states. The only thing standing in the way of Muslim hegemony in the middle-east is Israel. And, just because Israel may have a few hundred nuclear warheads, doesn't mean that they don't have need for help in the area of intelligence, satellite or air reconnaissance. Unless of course, you want to advocate that Israel start lobbing nuclear warheads at Iran every time Hezbollah fires a rocket into Haifa, cuase I can't think how that would turn out badly. /s
"BTW, if were not neutral, which is fine, and everyone knows it, why was Israel not part of the Iraqi war coalition, fighting side by side with our troops?"
If you think having Israel fight alongside our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq would be helpful to American interest in the region, it's clear you haven't a clue about the complexities of the application of military force, or even foreign policy.
If you think having Israel fight alongside our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq would be helpful to American interest in the region, it's clear you haven't a clue about the complexities bla, bla, bla, bal.
Oh sure....We must keep it hidden that the Jews and A-rabs hate and want to kill each other...Good luck with all that, "Complexity" hog wash.
Don't worry about all deep complexity stuff when it comes to the U.S., because we're known as the Great Satan in much of that part of the world, as they run through the streets shouting, "Death to the U.S."
I guess the word somehow sneaked out that America is allies with Israel....I would guess it's a good thing American doesn't have any of that complexity stuff going on.
the media is using Ron Paul to bash other Republicans to drive a wedge in the movement and I hope Ron Paul don’t take the bait. The media does not have the movement best intention in mind
Are Code Pink anti-war anymore? They have no problem with the war now that obama is in office
He does criticise Democrats occasionly. But whenver he does that he always balance it with criticing Republicans. He seem to view Republicans with ill intentions while Democrats with good intention just bad idea
“Does Ron Paul believe in ‘our Military’ - and our ‘using’(deploying) it? Ever?”
No and No.
A quick look at his voting record, and you will see that he votes against things such as funding for base renovations, pay raises, health care, and equipment (such as body armor) for our troops.
He is nothing more than a career politician who speaks with forked tongue that needs to be kicked out of office along with the rest of the traitors up on Crapital Hill.
IMO he is a traitor who is worse than Benedict Arnold, Alger Hess, the Rosenburgs, Aldrich Ames, and Robert Hanssen combined.
Well, no guessing as to how you really feel! Am inclined to agree; cannot understand any serious wannabe Leader who does not 'get it' re Peace/War. ..and or Military.
Beyond his 'fiscal appeal'; hard to imagine ANYone, taking him seriously; including those who ride around, still. . .with Ron Paul stickers on their car.
Thanks for the confirmtion. . .
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