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HI Territorial Law 57 (foreign born & HI B.C.'s) - Joint Motion Filled in HOLLISTER v SOETORO
Scribd ^ | 1/7/2010 | rxsid

Posted on 01/08/2010 7:30:02 AM PST by rxsid

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To: rxsid
I suggest people interested in this take time to read the linked copy of the brief, especially page 17 of filing. It basically says the COLB on the internet isn't worth caca and must be presented to an administrative body or official to have even probative value....

page 19... .....Given the latitude allowed under these territorial statutes a health official years later could say that they had seen a document that verified that the defendant Soetoro aka Obama was born in Hawaii when in fact such was not the case....

UH OOOH....ping the anti-birthers TSHTF

41 posted on 01/08/2010 3:46:05 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: rxsid
At that time we were unable to locate, either on the website of the state of Hawaii or in the law libraries of the local law schools a copy of the territorial laws as they were in effect at the time of Soetoro a/ k/a Obama’s birth before the major revision of the state of Hawaii’s laws in 1982. Since that time the undersigned’s support staff has been able to locate a set of those territorial laws of Hawaii as they were published with the authority of the Territory of Hawaii in the years before the birth of the defendant Soetoro a/,k/a Obama and as they continued in effect up through the year that he was born.

Oh, those pesky obscure laws and over eager undergrads. Sometimes, no matter how hard you try or how many palms you grease, you just can't erase every bit of evidence.

42 posted on 01/08/2010 3:49:47 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
That's right.

I used to think it was nearly impossible that a candidate such as Barry (with his ideological/political background and associations) would ever get "selected".

However, with the state run media actively cheerleading an overt foreign born communist, coupled with a severely dumbed down (American Idol/MTV ultra liberal hollywood watching) voting population that for a generation (or two) was largely educated by the socialist's in the universities...I can see how someone like a mao could get selected. With a HI short form that is. Or, perhaps not even that will be required next time around.

Barry's precedent must not be simply voted out. The usurper must be exposed. Otherwise, there will be a "next time," and it could be much worse.

43 posted on 01/08/2010 3:50:57 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws


44 posted on 01/08/2010 3:51:23 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Tiger Woods ?


45 posted on 01/08/2010 3:52:29 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Jack Black

The case is Hollister v. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, in the US Court of Appeals for DC.


46 posted on 01/08/2010 3:53:38 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: bgill

In this particular case, the help attorney Hemenway received may have come from other experienced lawyers.


47 posted on 01/08/2010 3:55:33 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Veddy interesting!


48 posted on 01/08/2010 3:55:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: rxsid
Yowza!

Yes, this is why we need to see the long form.

49 posted on 01/08/2010 3:56:14 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: rolling_stone
"I suggest people interested in this take time to read the linked copy of the brief"

Yes indeed. The fillings by Hemenway have been very, very good.

50 posted on 01/08/2010 3:58:02 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: American Constitutionalist

Coupled with all that other crap that came together for this “perfect” storm to have happened, I forgot to mention the massive foreign financial influence on this last (so called) election.


51 posted on 01/08/2010 4:01:07 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Vendome

If people go running around calling themselves “truthers”;
most other people are going to get the wrong idea and think
that they believe the twin towers were imploded by the CIA.
THAT is the commonly used term for those believers.


52 posted on 01/08/2010 4:04:35 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: New Yawk Minute
"I think its good..but it probably wont do us any good.

Looks to me like it says what we already knew"

We suspected that a similar law(s) (to the current 1982 statue) was on the books in 1961...but now we have the actual proof in the form of the actual law. Furthermore, the HI Territorial Law of 57 was even more "generous" than the one from 1982!

The naysayers, OBOTS, kool-aid drinkers (etc) could always refute the claim that HI had laws that allowed foreigners to apply for HI birth certificates...because we didn't have the proof such a law really did exist during 1961. Now we can refute them!

It's really a big discovery.

53 posted on 01/08/2010 4:21:12 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping LucyT


54 posted on 01/08/2010 4:21:49 PM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: Dryman
"“FREE THE LONG FORM!”"

Yes.

I would add...

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

 

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Obama's own campaign web site stated such
55 posted on 01/08/2010 4:26:19 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

How is Territorial law 57 different from this that is online at Hawaii records? Trolls always ranted the baby had to be a year old or more. But it would make sense if Obama was born in Kenya that SAD came back later?

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html

Who is Eligible to Apply for the Issuance of a Late Birth Certificate in Lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?

The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.

Certified copies of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may be requested following the procedures for certified copies of standard birth certificates (see Certified Copies). The eligibility requirements for issuance of a certified copy of a standard birth certificate apply to Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. And the same fees charged for standard birth certificates are charged for Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. Copies of the set of testimony used to establish a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may also be requested, and an additional fee is charged for each copy of the set of testimony.

Any person to whom a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth has been issued may submit a request to amend an entry, including a legal change of name, on an existing Certificate. A request to amend a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth will, however, be considered to be and treated as an application with the Department of Health for registration of a late certificate of birth in current use, unless a standard birth certificate for that person already exists in the vital records of the Department of Health. Should there be a situation of dual registration, the requested amendment will be made to the standard birth certificate on file if the required documentary evidence in support of the amendment has been submitted and evaluated to be adequate. If there is no standard birth certificate on file, an applicant is required to submit documentary evidence of the birth facts necessary to support of the registration of the late certificate of birth. If approved, the late birth certificate will be registered in place of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, which must then be surrendered to the Department of Health.

How to Apply for the Issuance of a Late Birth Certificate in Lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth
Upon receiving a request to amend an entry on an existing Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, the Registration Unit of the Office of Health Status Monitoring will send:

notification to the requestor that the amendment request is treated as an application for registration of a late certificate of birth, and
instructions on procedures for and submission of required documentary evidence in support of registration of a late certificate of birth.

If the amendment request is subsequently withdrawn, all documents received in support of the amendment will be returned. If the requestor elects to proceed with the application for registration of a late certificate of birth, the documentary evidence submitted in support of registration will be reviewed and evaluated for adequacy. If the application is approved, a late birth certificate will be issued and the original Certificate of Hawaiian Birth issued to the applicant must be surrendered to, for cancellation by, the Department of Health. No filing fee is charged for the late birth certificate.

Hawaii BC types.

http://mijgreb.blogtownhall.com/2009/02/05/exactly_what_kinds_of_birth_records_does_hawaii_provide.thtml


56 posted on 01/08/2010 4:53:52 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Fred Nerks; LucyT
"The finding of this law is important because it proves that there existed, at the time of Barry's (alleged, 1961) birth, a way for foreign born baby's to obtain a HI birth certificate.

now that's interesting..."

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Perhaps, it was by this very law (HI Territorial Law 57), that someone was able to fill out this application (?) for a HI birth certificate that was only ever FILED and never ACCEPTED. Then, when HRS 338-17.8 was passed (in 1982), the record was ammended to coincide with the new updated statue...perhaps triggered by someone needing a copy of the original record for some reason.


57 posted on 01/08/2010 4:56:55 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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"What in fact the territorial statute in effect before the 1982 statute sets out is an even greater latitude enabling and entitling persons to register a child for up to a year after its birth and to do so, if not attended by a locally licensed physician or midwife, for the parents or one of them to fill out the birth certificate or for a “local registrar” to fill out a birth certificate “from anyone having knowledge of the birth.” Thus a child born outside of Hawaii and attended by a non-Hawaii licensed health care provider or born unattended could get a Hawaii birth certificate nonetheless."

HI Territorial Law 57

58 posted on 01/08/2010 5:05:35 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
Yes, I'm as certain as anyone can be, that you have it exactly as it happened, and that someone was the GRANDMOTHER.

But as the evidence suggests, she was unable to obtain an actual CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE because she had no supporting documentation.

So the APPLICATION remained FILED.

And what we have been shown is probably an ABSTRACT of the original APPLICATION...and that is also why the initial CoLB shown had no certificate number.

The black rectangle didn't cover a number IMO, the black rectangle was placed there to hide the fact there never was a number at all...

59 posted on 01/08/2010 5:12:02 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: PhilDragoo

see 42

re: the birth cert and “caveman..easy”...is there a photoshop here?


60 posted on 01/08/2010 5:18:30 PM PST by bitt (You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak (Abraham Lincoln))
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