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Palin Sources Claim that She was Troubled by John Birch Society's Sponsorship of CPAC
washingtonpost the fix ^ | FridayJanuary 8, 2010 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 01/08/2010 11:25:09 AM PST by Bigtigermike

Palin announced late Thursday that she would attend SRLC, joining Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee as announced speakers. Interestingly, Palin also announced on Thursday that she would not be speaking at CPAC, a gathering of conservatives in Washington in mid February -- a decision, according to those familiar with her thinking, due at least in part to the fact that the John Birch Society is one of the sponsors

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cpac; cpac2010; jbs; johnbirch; palin
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......The decision to attend SRLC but not CPAC -- love those acronyms! -- seems to be a rare instance of Palin refusing to play to type, bucking the grassroots for a more establishment-oriented event. She still has much work to do in courting that establishment, however, as made clear by a new National Journal "Insiders" poll that more than 62 percent of the Republican professional political class said that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was going to be their party's nominee in 2012. Romney was followed by Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, South Dakota Sen. John Thune and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour in the voting. Palin tied for fifth with Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels who has said repeatedly he is not running.

*****These idiots don't get it tthat it's a good thing that She is not approved of by the "establishment" Sheesh!

1 posted on 01/08/2010 11:25:12 AM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

+1


2 posted on 01/08/2010 11:25:54 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Bigtigermike

I’d take the JBS endorsement over the RNC’s


3 posted on 01/08/2010 11:29:26 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Bigtigermike

Of course this is not a credible source. For one its from the Washington Post and even they put it as “according to those familiar with her thinking”.

In other words they used themselves as their own source because they think they are familiar with her thinking.

I doubt Sarah has a problem with the John Birch Society but there are other sponsors of CPAC that might give her pause.


4 posted on 01/08/2010 11:33:52 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Bigtigermike

“according to those familiar with her thinking...”

Sarah Palin can and does explain her own thinking as she chooses.


5 posted on 01/08/2010 11:35:39 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Bigtigermike

I didn’t even know there still was a John Birch Society.


6 posted on 01/08/2010 11:37:23 AM PST by DManA
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To: Bigtigermike

have you read those comments.

I swear the left have lost their heads , comments like right winger hate the military and they never serve or freedom lovers of truth are happy Sarah is screwing in the knife to the GOP etc or even the pathetic attempt of excusing and making excuses for bozo saying there 57 states and by some on the right wing saying he might have confused wit 57 islamic states is racist.

The left just love to say racist this and racist that when one does not agree with them

How on earth can they say it is racist to mention there is 5is what maybe obama was reffering to.

They have lost the plot


7 posted on 01/08/2010 11:38:22 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Very well put... lefties are always “trying” to do our thinking for us, especially when it paints a picture more to their liking.


8 posted on 01/08/2010 11:38:51 AM PST by dps.inspect
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To: UB355

so Sarah is her own perosn and now tot he left it’s a bad thing, maybe we should all be like the far left fanatics which only see a letter after a name and then repeat those bumper stickers and of curse never back those comment sup with facts


9 posted on 01/08/2010 11:39:40 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Bigtigermike

She should have just told ‘em she’s allergic to RINOs


11 posted on 01/08/2010 11:40:27 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Bigtigermike

If Palin is more concerned with enticing the “establishment types”.....then she would be another Liberal RINO.

I hope this article is not true...I am disappointed that SarahPAC contributed money to Lindsey Graham


12 posted on 01/08/2010 11:42:32 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (No Illegal Alien Amnesty.....Never)
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To: Bigtigermike

So what’s up with the John Birch Society these days? Seems like they’ve been keeping a low profile for some time, but lately I keep seeing their name pop up here and there. As I remember them from some years back, they never would have associated themselves with the mainstream political class, even if they were conservatives. In any case, I don’t see why Sarah Palin would have a problem with them, unless she is concerned that the media will try to typecast her as a conspiracy nut.


13 posted on 01/08/2010 11:43:37 AM PST by Funee Kat
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To: manc

>The left just love to say racist this and racist that when one does not agree with them

And the ones who say “racist” the most? WHITE LIBERALS.

I “converse’ with these elitists’ almost everyday here in L.A. and when they pipe in that libtard talking point, I ask them one simple question ‘How many non-white friends do you have?..all I see are white people in your group.”

That stops them cold. L.A. is a segregated city and nthat’s how it is, no matter what the left spins.


14 posted on 01/08/2010 11:44:23 AM PST by max americana
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To: Bigtigermike
I bothered to study the JBS several years ago. Of course, John Birch was a hero that died fighting communists, but the organization that bears his name is in no way connected to him other than they both hate commies. I couldn't find anything wrong, frankly with the JBS. Some of their claims seemed a bit on the wild side, but I saw no harm in their claims. The Dems make more outrageous and wild claims every day. I've never joined or given money the the JBS, but they are far closer to my views than the Republican party.
15 posted on 01/08/2010 11:44:49 AM PST by chuckles
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

She is not chasing the establishment.... CPAC is the establishment, it has been infiltrated with Romneybots and Lincoln log cabin members, also the head of CPAC had been trashing Sarah all last year.


16 posted on 01/08/2010 11:46:04 AM PST by Bigtigermike (Loose lips sink ships, stay away RINO's)
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To: JMack

If you haven’t heard, CPAC is now controlled by Romney-ites. Sarah made the right choice.

The left has one main tactic, co-opt conservative organizations. Send the message that smart conservatives want Romney, it’s only the un-educated tea party people that support Palin. You’ll hear it from now until 2012. They know they can beat Romney but are afraid of Sarah.

And the John Birch Society is irrelevant and not a player.


17 posted on 01/08/2010 11:50:15 AM PST by excopconservative
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To: Bigtigermike

I call Shenanigans on this article! There really isn’t anything wrong with the JBS - it’s more libertarian and maybe there are some fringe members but you’ll find that in any group. At any rate a lot of their founding principles make sense.

This is just more proof of how incredibly aloof the elite media establishment is - just as they ‘analyzed’ why she stepped down as Governor... She isn’t attending CPAC because it’s run by an establishment crony who has done nothing but act like another corrupt inside-the-beltway snob who supports Romney & Specter, gets money for his endorsements, and disses Sarah when he gets the chance... I went to CPAC for the first time last year in hopes that Sarah may actually attend - this year I waited and figured I would only pay to go if she confirmed because I had a bad feeling about David Keene the more I read up on him and spoke to other people in the know... Thank you for saving me $$ Sarah Palin - I’ll contribute it to your PAC this month instead!


18 posted on 01/08/2010 11:51:03 AM PST by Lilpug15 (The Forgotten Man: He works, he votes and he generally prays - but He Always Pays": Sumner)
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To: Bigtigermike

“A source close to the Palin camp says that request led to a decision to stay away from the upcoming CPAC conference, calling it a forum that will place “special interests over core beliefs” and “pocketbook over policy.

“That’s not what CPAC should be about and people are tiring,” the source said. “Palin is taking a stance against this just as she did in Alaska.”

http://tiny.cc/qtLXd


19 posted on 01/08/2010 11:52:14 AM PST by rae4palin (islam is of the devil)
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To: Bigtigermike

http://sentinelradio.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/washington-insider-david-keene-disses-governor-palin-claims-to-speak-for-grassroots/

Backround information in agreement with Bigtigermike


20 posted on 01/08/2010 11:53:14 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: chuckles

I agree, I find no problem with JBS.


21 posted on 01/08/2010 11:55:21 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: UB355

DAVID KEENE ENDORSES GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY

http://schotlinepress.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/david-keene-endorses-governor-mitt-romney/


22 posted on 01/08/2010 11:56:19 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Bigtigermike

lol.. Pure pootakai

I would be more willing to bite on she was saddened by the acceptance of backing from GLBT critters

I doubt Sarah has a bone up for the JBS.


23 posted on 01/08/2010 11:56:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: chuckles

Yours is a fair and even handed assessment.

I bristle when I see his name , a man who died at the hands of our biggest “buddy” today, no make that biggest debt holder.. a patriot who died a criminal’s death, a true patriot hooked up to those who have no knowledge of history or seem to care less that some of us do.

Poxes on all their households.


24 posted on 01/08/2010 12:00:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: Bigtigermike

Frankly, I had hoped her decision was based on GOProud’s co-sponsorship.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2412398/posts

That this person thinks it’s more germane to mention the John Birch Society, isn’t particularly flattering to Palin.

I will caution folks to remember though, this is sourced from ‘a person familiar with her thinking’. Every leftist in the U.S. thinks they’re familiar with her thinking. Katie Couric thinks she’s familiar with her thinking.


25 posted on 01/08/2010 12:00:46 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I will caution folks to remember though, this is sourced from ‘a person familiar with her thinking’. Every leftist in the U.S. thinks they’re familiar with her thinking. Katie Couric thinks she’s familiar with her thinking.

Funny....you’re right about Perky Katie!


26 posted on 01/08/2010 12:03:07 PM PST by Bigtigermike (Loose lips sink ships, stay away RINO's)
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To: rae4palin

That’s exactly what I saw yesterday.......:)


27 posted on 01/08/2010 12:03:36 PM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: chuckles

I agree completely. I’ve looked them up too.

It seems to me people have been working awfully hard to cast the JBS as something as negative as the KKK. That isn’t even close to the truth.

They may be misguided on an issue or two, but their hearts are in the right place and they make a awful lot of sense.

I didn’t see a single thing that put me off supporting them, when I looked around. I haven’t, but that doesn’t mean I don’t share a lot of their beliefs.


28 posted on 01/08/2010 12:05:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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To: Bigtigermike
Sarah knows the Birch Society is anti-Israel and in fact considers pro-Israel dispensationalism a "plot" of "the Conspiracy." Why wouldn't she be troubled?

BTW, there is absolutely nothing "grass roots" about the JBS.

29 posted on 01/08/2010 12:05:53 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Vayar' vehinneh haseneh bo`er ba'esh, vehaseneh 'eynennu 'ukkal.)
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To: Bigtigermike

“Palin also announced on Thursday that she would not be speaking at CPAC, a gathering of conservatives in Washington in mid February — a decision, according to those familiar with her thinking, due at least in part to the fact that the John Birch Society is one of the sponsors. “

I think Sarah is perfedtly capable of speaking for herself.


30 posted on 01/08/2010 12:06:08 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Funee Kat
So what’s up with the John Birch Society these days? Seems like they’ve been keeping a low profile for some time, but lately I keep seeing their name pop up here and there. As I remember them from some years back, they never would have associated themselves with the mainstream political class, even if they were conservatives. In any case, I don’t see why Sarah Palin would have a problem with them, unless she is concerned that the media will try to typecast her as a conspiracy nut.

I was a member of the Birch Society from 1977 to 1981. They are bad news.

They serve as the "blue lodge" and recruiting point for the anti-Semitic movement. They indoctrinate recruits into anti-Semitism with the word "Jews" removed ("the Conspiracy"), and eventually the recruit makes the connection and becomes a Jew-hating loon.

They are also unapologetic pre-WWII right wingers. While they were all for American "interference" against Communism in most parts of the world, they were opposed to America helping Israel against its own Communist threat because "both sides" were allegedly run by "the Conspiracy" (how convenient!). Furthermore, while they were all for the draft in the Sixties (they rejected the anti-draft ideology as "libertarian" rather than conservative) but now that we're fighting moslems they're suddenly against the draft--and writing articles on how bad the draft was in WWII (another "Jewish" war).

For the record, I am also opposed to a military draft, but I am so consistently--unlike the JBS.

31 posted on 01/08/2010 12:11:49 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Vayar' vehinneh haseneh bo`er ba'esh, vehaseneh 'eynennu 'ukkal.)
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To: DoughtyOne

If Palin made an issue out of GOProud, then the media will bash her for being homophobic. Instead, the media is playing up the john Birch angle as proof of a smoking gun that CPAC and all conservatives are racist.

Last month, Rachel Maddow made a big stink about the JBS being a sponsor of CPAC. She went on a tirade about how the JBS supported Jim Crow laws as a means to stop Communism.


32 posted on 01/08/2010 12:13:17 PM PST by yongin
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To: Bigtigermike; nutmeg

I’d bet this is disinformation.

Thee is NOTHING wrong with John Birch, they are among the most conservative/constitutionalist organization out there


33 posted on 01/08/2010 12:14:38 PM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: DManA

http://www.jbs.org

http://www.thenewamerican.com


34 posted on 01/08/2010 12:15:25 PM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: DManA
I didn’t even know there still was a John Birch Society.

Yeah, and their youth movement - the Sons of Birchers.

35 posted on 01/08/2010 12:15:29 PM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

JBS members I have talked to over the yrs. are anti war,
anti Israel, and usually vote for the Third Party loons who
help facilitate a Democrat victory.

JBS is part of the problem.


36 posted on 01/08/2010 12:17:24 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: UB355

DAVID KEENE:

Vigilant Freedom/910 Group Blog
Islamisation of David Keene, American Conservative Union
June 27, 2007 by Christine | 910 Group | 20:28:12 | |

David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union (ACU), has been moving, along with several other paleo-conservatives like Dinesh D?Souza, towards a partnership with Saudi-funded, pro-Hamas institutions. A forewarning was the appointment of Grover Norquist to the ACU board.

A second forewarning was the appointment of Suhail Khan to the ACU board.

Then Tuesday, David Keene joined United for Peace and Justice, the ACLU, the Communist Party-USA, as a speaker in the ?Day of Action to Restore Law and Justice? to

??call on Congress to restore habeas corpus, fix the Military Commissions Act, end torture and rendition and restore our constitutional rights. Activists from all fifty states will gather at Upper Senate Park on June 26, 2007 and deliver tens of thousands of signatures to Congress, urging the restoration of our rights.?

In addition to the ACU?s new imam David Keene at the rally, representing the American Conservative Union (by name, as an organization), other rally sponsors included:

Alliance for Justice
American Friends Service Committee National
Criminal Justice Program
American Humanist Association
American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
Americans for Democratic Action
Arab American Institute
Asian American Justice Center
Bill of Rights Defense Committee
Campaign for America?s Future
Center for American Progress Action Fund
Center for Constitutional Rights
CODEPINK
Education for Peace in Iraq Center
Episcopal Church
Equal Justice Society
Friends Committee on National Legislation
Global Rights
Hip Hop Caucus
Human Rights First
Human Rights Watch
Immigration Equality
Institute for Policy Studies
Islamic Society of North America
JALSA - the Jewish Alliance for Law and Social Action
Japanese American Citizens League

League of Women Voters US
LULAC
MoveOn.org
NAACP
National Association of Social Workers
National Organization for Women
NETWORK
No2Torture
Peace Action
People For the American Way
Physicians for Human Rights
Progressive Democrats of America
Public Citizen
Religious Action Center
Rural Organizing Project
Stop Torture Permanently
TASSC International
The Shalom Center
TrueMajority.org
United for Peace and Justice
United States Student Association
US Action
Veterans for Peace
Working Assets Wireless
Women?s International League for Peace and Freedom
Young Democrats of America
Velvet Revolution

And regional groups:

Amnesty International USA - Greater
Philadelphia Area
Amnesty International USA - Puget Sound
Arab American Community Coalition (WA)
Asian Bar Association of Washington
Brandywine Peace Community
CASA Latina (WA)
CAUSA, Oregon?s Immigrant Rights Coalition
Community Alliance of Lane County (Oregon)
Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) - PA
Hate Free Zone of Washington
Japanese American Citizens Leage - Seattle Chapter
King County Asian Pacific Islander Coalition
Lancaster Coalition for Peace and Justice
League of Women Voters - PA

Liberty Center for Survivors of Torture
National Organization for Women - New York State
Northwest Immigrant Rights Project
October 22 Coalition
Oregon Peace Works
Peace Action of Central NY
Peace Action WI
Pittsburgh/Western PA Irish American Unity
Conference
Philadelphia Physicians for Social
Responsibility
Sound Nonviolent Opponents of War
Syracuse Peace Council
Thomas Merton Center
Washington Peace Center
Western Washington Fellowship of Reconciliation

In his day job, Keene is also a managing associate at the Carmen Group, Washington, DC lobbying firm. He is on the lobbying teams representing special interests (corporations, states and associations) in International, Homeland [security], Procurement Solutions, Postal, and Education areas.

And in that day job, David Keene (really productive guy BTW, kudos for his work ethic) represents among other clients, Algeria:

Washington Post: Carmen?s Africa Team Has Its Keystone

July 6, 2006

By Judy Sarasohn

The Carmen Group, which in the past year has made a play for business in Africa and hired strategically to make that happen, has scored a substantial lobbying client ? the government of Algeria.

While it might not be in the Indian casino range, the fee is a healthy $25,000 a month, for a total of $300,000 for the one-year term of the contract, according to the Carmen Group?s Foreign Agents Registration Act filing with the Justice Department. The shop also filed a lobby registration with Congress.

And for these fees, the Carmen Group says it will work to strengthen relations between the Algerian and U.S. governments and expand trade, through government relations and ?strategic advice.? The Carmen team will brief U.S. policymakers, ?project an up-to-date image of Algeria? and promote congressional, public and media support for ?Algeria?s legitimate interests and policy goals,? according to the FARA report. The shop will also promote contacts with U.S. business interests.

In a recent interview, David Carmen said there was ?no single issue? at this time to lobby on for Algeria, but the shop will be ?brand-building? in Washington and working to get more businesses to invest in that nation. Algeria as a client was in the works when the company started to work on building an Africa practice, he said.

David Keene, a managing associate at Carmen and chairman of the American Conservative Union, is responsible for managing the firm?s services for Algeria, according to the contract with Algeria. But also on the team: the aforementioned David Carmen, Gerald Carmen, John Ladd, Constance Berry Newman, William Outhier, Paul Marisa and Charles Williams.

Newman, a former assistant secretary of state for African affairs, was one of those strategic hires earlier this year, as was Williams, former chief of staff to Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) and former president of the US-Nigeria Development Institute in Abuja, Nigeria.

And last month, Michael Lempres, former vice president of the Overseas Private Investment Corp., returned after a hiatus of several years to be managing director of Carmen?s international practice and direct the Africa practice. Earlier, he was director of international affairs for the Justice Department in the administration of George H.W. Bush.

BUT WAIT! There?s more - Imam Keene, presumably representing his new Algerian clients in their PR outreach (and other clients To Be Determined) is tackling that real problem in the US of concern to American Conservative Union members natonwide - Islamophobia!

Received in yesterday?s email:

CONSERVATIVE LEADER TO SPEAK ON ?ISLAMOPHOBIA? PANEL - TOP

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 6/26/07) - On Tuesday, July 17, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) will host a panel discussion at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., entitled ?Attacking Islam: Implications for Social Cohesion and U.S. Relations with the Muslim World.?

The panel will address the increasing anti-Muslim rhetoric within the conservative movement in the United States, focusing on the negative impact of such views on religious tolerance in America and on relations with the Muslim world.

Presenters:

* David Keene, President, American Conservative Union
* Parvez Ahmed, Chairman, Council on American-Islamic Relations

WHEN: Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 9:30 a.m. - 11 p.m.
WHERE: Holeman Lounge, National Press Club, Washington, D.C.

Refreshments will be served. Admission is free but seating is limited and reservations are required. Please RSVP via e-mail to events@cair.com or call .

CAIR, America?s largest Islamic civil liberties group, has 33 offices and chapters nationwide and in Canada. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.

CONTACT: CONTACT: CAIR National Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper, or, E-Mail: ihooper@cair.com; CAIR Communications Coordinator Rabiah Ahmed, or, E-Mail: rahmed@cair.com; CAIR Communications Coordinator Amina Rubin,, E-Mail: arubin@cair.com

So here?s the multiple choice question: When David Keene, chairman of the ACU, makes a national effort to accuse the American public of Islamophobia and silence all criticism of Muslim Brotherhood front organizations in the U.S., whom does he represent?

a. Imam David Keene
b. The American Conservative Union members, who probably haven?t a clue this is going on
c. Algeria

d. The Muslim Brotherhood

e. CAIR

f. The new special envoy of the White House to the Organization of Islamic Conferences

g. Hmm, maybe other wealthy countries in the middle east known to have given CAIR $50 million for public relations?

h. All of the above


37 posted on 01/08/2010 12:18:56 PM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: SoCalPol

I never caught any anti-semitism in JBS, where did you get that??


38 posted on 01/08/2010 12:21:00 PM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: SoCalPol
JBS members I have talked to over the yrs. are anti war, anti Israel, and usually vote for the Third Party loons who help facilitate a Democrat victory.

JBS is part of the problem.

Absolutely. Yet they aren't consistently anti-war. They're against the wot because it is seen as too "Jewish" (like WWII). However, they were all for American covert operations in Central America and other places (they even set up a front to promote such operations, Western Goals). They are isolationists only when Israel might benefit from American action.

Sarah Palin is pro-Israel. No wonder she is troubled by the John Birch Society.

39 posted on 01/08/2010 12:21:31 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Vayar' vehinneh haseneh bo`er ba'esh, vehaseneh 'eynennu 'ukkal.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

It’s definetly helpful to hear the perspective of someone who was a member. I just read their literature, I remember the number 2 (Gary Allen?)guy often denying that they were anti semitic claiming that he was himself Jewish. I know that many nationalist US groups from the 30’s through the 50’s were anti semetic, a mantle that seems proudly taken up by the Democratic Party now.


40 posted on 01/08/2010 12:23:54 PM PST by Funee Kat
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To: RaceBannon
I never caught any anti-semitism in JBS, where did you get that??

Why don't you ask me? I'm the one who was a member.

You don't understand their m.o. They aren't openly anti-Semitic. That's not their job (though they are hostile to Israel and to pro-Israel Fundamentalists). Their m.o. is to entice decent people into the anti-Semitic movement by introducing them to conspiracy theory--anti-Semitism with the word "Jews" removed.

Have you ever heard of a book called The Rapture Cult? It's available in its entirety online. It was written by a John Bircher and promoted "unofficially" by the Society (including by a couple of coordinators I knew). I recommend you read it--especially the part where it claims that C.I. Scofield was obviously a member of "the Conspiracy" because he fought for the Confederacy but got a Federal job in Kansas after the War.

41 posted on 01/08/2010 12:26:30 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Vayar' vehinneh haseneh bo`er ba'esh, vehaseneh 'eynennu 'ukkal.)
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To: Funee Kat
It’s definetly helpful to hear the perspective of someone who was a member. I just read their literature, I remember the number 2 (Gary Allen?)guy often denying that they were anti semitic claiming that he was himself Jewish. I know that many nationalist US groups from the 30’s through the 50’s were anti semetic, a mantle that seems proudly taken up by the Democratic Party now.

Gary Allen wasn't Jewish. I believe you are thinking of Alan Stang, a prominent spokesman who was. Today Stang is a "Baptist" minister (and not the regular, pro-Israel kind) and an anti-Israel lunatic. Just go to his web page and see.

42 posted on 01/08/2010 12:28:45 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Vayar' vehinneh haseneh bo`er ba'esh, vehaseneh 'eynennu 'ukkal.)
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To: Bigtigermike

;-)


43 posted on 01/08/2010 12:31:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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To: Bigtigermike
I didn't even know the Birchers were still around. I remember going to an American Opinion bookstore for a class project in the early 70’s. But I haven't seen an AO bookstore in over 30 years.
44 posted on 01/08/2010 12:42:35 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: yongin

Funny, I don’t remember her going ape s—t over Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, who was a leader of a KKK unit in his home state, who also opposed striking down the Jim Crow laws, and who also trashed the Republican he won his House seat from, for voting to strike them down?

I don’t know that aspect of the JBS’ past. It may or may not be true, but if we can forgive Byrd and look at his current work free from relevance from the past, we can look at the JBS free from relevance from the past.

It really is interesting though, that those who didn’t want the Jim Crow laws from the past struck down, now trash those who did, and are avowed supporters of communists and worse.


45 posted on 01/08/2010 12:44:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

that’s the first I heard THAT!

Plus, I never knew CI Schofield was a Confederate! That is not repeated up here too often! :)


46 posted on 01/08/2010 1:01:42 PM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: DManA

JBS is still in a little office in Appleton, WI. A historical footnote more than anything.

They celebrated their 50th anniversary in 2008 with an event at the Neenah Best Western featuring Ron Paul.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/allpoliticswatch/archive/2008/10/02/ron-paul-keynotes-john-birch-society-s-50th-anniversary.aspx


47 posted on 01/08/2010 1:12:54 PM PST by sbMKE
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To: RaceBannon

I think that article mischaracterizes D’Souza. He has made some legitimate points about the nature and extent of radicalism in the Islamic world, and about the problem posed by the activities of the cultural left in this country.


48 posted on 01/08/2010 1:13:17 PM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: RaceBannon
About every anti-American?/anti Israel Communist/Jihadist organization on the planet? ACU, then , has been taken over! This is shocking. I will sound naive to ask, how did this happen?? How was it possible? Have most people been asleep, too busy or not paying attention to ACU's moves thru the years? No wonder Palin will not have anything to do with them.

Take "conservative" from their title and replace it with communist, the acronym remains the same.

I can't understand or even believe this. If true, Sarah should not have singled out the JBS--why didn't she name just a few of the others? Code Stink, for starters.

49 posted on 01/08/2010 2:10:48 PM PST by molybdenum
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To: Bigtigermike
When I were younger, much younger, I was influenced into believing that the John Birch Society was un-American in it s scope and purpose. I was at that age than many young Americans are at now…too busy to care.

I can’t say the John Birch Society ever entered my mind but I do remember driving in the South one time and seeing a billboard promoting the John Birch Society. I still knew nothing about them so my thoughts went back to my first impression.

A few years ago, I came across a video that impressed me as an accurate view of America and its Constitution. I now have grown children and eight grandchildren. I feel one day the grandchildren would wonder why their grandfather was so dumb as to leave the country in the mess they had to deal with. I am at the age now were I do care and sorry I didn’t begin to care much earlier in life.

The video was presented as a Ten Minute History Lesson and titled “The American Form of Government”. In those ten minutes, I saw a very concise and accurate description of the Constitution’s vision for America.

Later, in response to a post on Free Republic I offered that link. Another person responded to tell me that I had only posted a portion of the video, the only portion I had by the way. He provided a link to three more videos equally as informative. It was then I discovered the John Birch Society presented the videos.

This prompted me to visit and review John Birch Society. I could not find anything sinister or un-American. The John Birch Society is dedicated to restoring and preserving freedom under the United States Constitution, and so am I.

All I can say to anyone, who has the time to care, visit the John Birch Society site and take your own decision.

I am going there now because as I was preparing this post I saw they had an article, Intellectuals and Society, written by Thomas Sowell, whose thoughts always contain the wisdom missing from my President and Representatives.

50 posted on 01/08/2010 2:23:43 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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