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Third-Rail Shocker (Social Security Going Bankrupt Sooner)
Investors.com ^ | January 8, 2009 | Investor's business Daily staff

Posted on 01/08/2010 5:17:09 PM PST by raptor22

Entitlements: While a massive health care entitlement is fashioned in secret, another one, Social Security, is running deficits decades earlier than expected. We've been kicking the can down the road. We're out of road.

As Bernie Madoff found out, any Ponzi scheme depends on a continuous inflow of new cash and new customers or the ever-expanding pyramid will totter and collapse. Social Security, dependent as it was on new workers paying the expanding benefits of retirees, is about to, much sooner than expected.

As Ed Morrissey over at HotAir.com reminds us, Peter Orszag, now director of the Office of Management and Budget, predicted as director of the Congressional Budget Office in August 2008 that no one needed to worry about Social Security. "CBO projects that outlays will first exceed revenues in 2019 and that the Social Security trust funds will be exhausted in 2049," we were told.

As the baby boomers have started retiring and the economy has collapsed, that day of reckoning is here. The Social Security Administration's Office of the Chief Actuary finally got around to posting detailed November numbers, and they aren't pretty.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; berniemadoff; bho44; bhoeconomy; bhohealthcare; cbo; cola; elderly; entitlements; healthcare; healthcarreform; hopeychangey; ibd; nannystate; oasdi; obama; obamacare; omb; orszag; peterorszag; ponzi; ponzischeme; retirees; scheme; seniors; socialsecurity; ssa; thirdrail

1 posted on 01/08/2010 5:17:10 PM PST by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Scrimp and save your own retirement funds. 401(k), Roth, whatever. Gold and silver might be good ideas, too, considering the way our government is handling our currency, although a friend told me recently that if I was invested in gold, I should sell about half of it.

When SS runs out, it’s gonna be a world of hurt. Hopefully, government will get rid of the FICA tax at that time, but I’m probably hoping for too much.


2 posted on 01/08/2010 5:20:45 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: raptor22

Well right after being reelected in 2004, Bush tried to fix social security and Democrats and the corrupt MSM screamed like stuck pigs.


3 posted on 01/08/2010 5:21:54 PM PST by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ...

PING!

(And this is a Ponzi scheme that’s not even voluntary!)


4 posted on 01/08/2010 5:22:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: raptor22
Save SS enroll all us older Americans over 55 into Obama Care. There's a method to their madness.
5 posted on 01/08/2010 5:22:35 PM PST by mimaw
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To: raptor22

It’s insane to have government running any entitlement program. SS is proof. Medicare, medicaid, proof. VA Hospitals, proof.

Yes, the proof is in. And the dems are hell bent in destroying themselves to get government to run our healthcare.

Keep the powder dry.


6 posted on 01/08/2010 5:22:45 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Obadiah

Personally, I would get rid of SS altogether, and eliminate the payroll tax along with it. This may sound contradictory to my earlier replies to some, but it’s not. Whether SS is forcibly eliminated or it eventually goes bankrupt, everyone is going to have to save their own money for retirement, in addition to what they eventually have to spend for relatives currently on the system.


7 posted on 01/08/2010 5:24:24 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: Obadiah

8 posted on 01/08/2010 5:25:17 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: raptor22

And the HITS just keep on coming! How ‘bout that “hope and change”?


9 posted on 01/08/2010 5:25:45 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Remember in November! Throw all of the bums out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Part of the problem, as I see it, is that if you put your money into any banking system it is at risk. That’s why many folks (like Russians) have been burned more than once and keep their things of value close at hand. It seem that anytime there is a pot of money big enough somebody’s going to try to steal it.

Put yourself in control.


10 posted on 01/08/2010 5:25:55 PM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: raptor22

WELL THE ONLY OBVIOUS SOLUTION IS TO TAX THE RICH. THAT ALWAYS WORKS.


11 posted on 01/08/2010 5:27:10 PM PST by vpintheak (How can love of God, Family and Country make me an extremist?)
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To: raptor22

The solution is obvious: spend more money on it.


12 posted on 01/08/2010 5:27:16 PM PST by lurk
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To: Cobra64

Proletarii vsekh bushakh coedinyaites!


13 posted on 01/08/2010 5:27:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Proletarii vsekh bushakh coedinyaites!

Is that Polish for "Workers Unite?"

14 posted on 01/08/2010 5:29:26 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: tired1
Put yourself in control.

My mattress is at the ready! :-)

15 posted on 01/08/2010 5:29:50 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Social Security is the only annuity program where the government declares itself the beneficiary!


16 posted on 01/08/2010 5:30:15 PM PST by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: Cobra64

Workers of all Bushes unite!


17 posted on 01/08/2010 5:30:25 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: Cobra64

Besides, I screwed up part of the message. Properly, it should read:

Proletarii vsekh bushov soedinyaites!


18 posted on 01/08/2010 5:32:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: raptor22

Just wait until your father comes home. You are in for the beating of your life.

It is going to be one ugly sight when millions of retirees get their walkers and march on Versailles. Osama bin Laden has a better chance of hiding than the politicians who mess with the seniors.


19 posted on 01/08/2010 5:32:24 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Agreed.


20 posted on 01/08/2010 5:33:17 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64

Yep, George W. Bush definitely married up with Laura!


21 posted on 01/08/2010 5:34:42 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Scrimp and save your own retirement funds. 401(k), Roth, whatever.

What good will that do when the dollar is worth nothing?

I'm hedging my bets on guns, ammo, liquor and anything I can trade.

You're gonna need em all when it's all said and done.

22 posted on 01/08/2010 5:37:49 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: raptor22

ummm.... seems to me that Social security going down the tubes is precisely why they have been so crazy about passing the health care bill.... cause it pretty much re-defines social security into a much larger program.


23 posted on 01/08/2010 5:44:33 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: raptor22

Now there’s a big surprise. I heard talk about the increasingly difficult demographics of social security when I was doing adult foster care 30 years ago - and we and our elected officials have done nothing since.


24 posted on 01/08/2010 5:45:11 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Obadiah

That’s why the Repubs should let the Dems fix it. It’s their mess. And the Repubs should not be dumb enough to join a “commission” or “panel” to “fix” federal spending because it’s only a cover to raise taxes and claim a “bipartisan solution.” In other words, deprive the Repubs of one of their most powerful reasons for being elected in lieu of Dems.


25 posted on 01/08/2010 5:45:22 PM PST by Surfscoter (Surfscoter)
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To: raptor22

Hey baby boomers and seniors who voted for Obama - Atlas shrugged - enjoy.

You voted for a Kenyan muslim marxist and anyone with an IQ above 70 who has some money or a business - shrugged, laid people off and hunkered down.

You reap what you sew.


26 posted on 01/08/2010 5:48:24 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: unixfox

I agree!! For the last 16 months I have been buying ammo and some other basics that I think we will need. Gold and silver sound fine, but they can’t feed you or house you. If you aren’t careful gold makes you a target.
With what I have we can get food, we can protect our house and maybe if I was a A****le, I could take some gold and silver from others. Copper, brass, and lead are the heavy metals you need for survival.


27 posted on 01/08/2010 5:50:32 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Hopefully, government will get rid of the FICA tax at that time, but I’m probably hoping for too much.

Not a chance. They'll need FICA to pay for health care.

28 posted on 01/08/2010 5:52:02 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: raptor22

Social security needs to be abolished immediatly. It’s unfortunate for those who contributed and won’t get it or are currently collecting and will loose it overnight, but it’s a bad program that never should have existed in the first place.

In 20 years nobody will miss it and the country will be better off.


29 posted on 01/08/2010 6:03:01 PM PST by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: raptor22

What? When did this happen? /s


30 posted on 01/08/2010 6:04:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Obadiah
[PRESIDENT] Bush tried to fix social security and Democrats and the corrupt MSM screamed like stuck pigs.

You got that right!

Call It Socialism Security February 22, 2005

The problems of Social Security are mammoth, and these problems stretch over into future generations. Something must be done, and it must be done now. Enter President Bush.

Bush has begun to open a dialogue that Washington passed over for many years. Bush has laid a few markers down for Social Security personal accounts, but remains open to ideas.

Democrats--whose solution to the runaway train wreck of Social Security was to gather around the FDR Memorial in the National Mall in staged solidarity for media consumption--have exhibited much heavy-breathing and unvarnished hostility towards Bush’s idea of personal accounts.
RATS w/ FDR statue

Demagoguery Unleashed April 26, 2005
The Democrats put on a sad spectacle at the Capitol today, rallying their armies of the ignorant to oppose any reform in the Social Security system:
[see photo in article]

Awwww, but it wasn't just the demonrats! Nooooo, here is one of the "esteemed" republicans in 2005!
[You may remember 2005...one of only 2 years out of 8 that President Bush supposedly had a decent majority in both Houses.]

Grassley: no Social Security reform now November 8, 2005:
Iowa Senator says Bush's overhaul is off the table until after the next presidential election.


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31 posted on 01/08/2010 6:22:31 PM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: raptor22

Was going to wait 4 years (to age 66) before taking SS, but I wonder if it’s going to be there at all in 4 years.


32 posted on 01/08/2010 7:41:09 PM PST by randita (Chains you can bereave in.)
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To: raptor22

Well, crap. All you useless bureaucrats who worked in government and are collecting your golden parachutes - that’s ending real soon. Prepare to move into cardboard boxes under the bridge. And yeh, we have more guns than you do and we’re better shots. Bye-bye.


33 posted on 01/08/2010 8:10:00 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: raptor22

Articles like this one, as insightful as it is, should help give the Dims cover to propose “Retirement Reform™”. I can hardly wait to see what that 2,000+ page monstrosity will look like. At least Bush’s attempt to fix the problem leaned towards a private solution. The Dims obviously have something else in mind...


34 posted on 01/08/2010 8:21:28 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: Frantzie
Hey baby boomers and seniors who voted for Obama - Atlas shrugged - enjoy.

You do know that those are the two most republican age groups, right?

35 posted on 01/08/2010 8:34:58 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12

Seniors yes but tons of baby boomers voted for Obama. I know seniors who voted for him like fools. Let em eat cake.

They foolishly did not see this massive wealth redistribution, reparations and wiping out the middle class coming? Well they will see it now. Return to the depression is where we are headed. I was saying all along that this guy was Mugabe 2. Most seniors and baby boomers are clueless as to what is going on. The younger people are even dumber.


36 posted on 01/09/2010 5:34:39 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Frantzie

So why attack the two age groups that most voted against Obama, why not attack the 18 to 29 year olds that most voted for Obama with 66%, or the 30-44 year olds and their 52% for Obama, instead you want to focus on the two most anti Obama age groups.

Why not jump on Catholics for choosing Obama by 54% while Protestants chose McCain by 54%, or the Jews with their 78% Obama, or the blacks and their 97% Obama? Why not separate the Hispanics by Catholic/Protestant and get two different votes, one overwhelmingly Obama and the other barely Obama?


37 posted on 01/09/2010 8:20:43 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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