The Fall of the American Empire

1/08/10 | ReaganCaesar

[ReaganCaesar]

I fear that this is the fall of the American empire. The way this echoes the fall of the Roman Empire is far too eerie. Decadence abounds. Everybody remembers that the fall of the Roman Empire entailed mass decadence and moral decay. The power of Rome dissipated through a lack of discipline, and an abandonment of the values that put Rome at the paragon of civilization. It was often said that during the decline of the Roman Empire, Romans refused to believe in their gods. The parallels with American society in 2010 are undeniable. America is obviously undergoing a similar secularization of its culture, along with a complete decay of its moral values and discipline. Anyone to whom this is not completely obvious has no brain. I am just so sorry that I'm a part of the generation that allowed the American Empire to fall. However, it is also a well-known fact that, throughout history, there haven't been many times when a dying culture has experienced a resurgence. We are not dead yet, but we need to rally. God bless America!

[GeronL]

I guess Europe could be the old Turkey taken over by the barbarian Muslims.

[MinorityRepublican]

America is no more. She is like an used whore.

[kittymyrib]

We Christians are called to be the salt that keeps societal decay at bay. We are called to be the light, witnessing to Jesus, the Light of the World. Each of us can do that in our own lives each day, and God will bless our families. Families are the foundation of the nation.
“It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man. It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes.” Psalm 118:8,9.

[ReaganCaesar]

How so?

[Bad Jack Bauer]

And whose fault is it? No one is at fault but ourselves. Every single representative (with a few appointed exceptions) was elected by a majority of the American people. Either in their district, their state and in the case of Obambi, a majority of the country. When a RINO like John McCain is the only alternative to Obambi, there is really no alternative at all. The only difference is that McCain would handle the war on terror a bit differently, but domestically, we would be in the same boat with McCain at the helm. In his great desire to be loved by the Democrats, John McCain would not dare stop healthcare from passing.

America is going through a correction under leadership she well deserves since she voted for it.

[ReaganCaesar]

Beautiful passage, my friend, beautiful passage.

[Habibi]

The US is not an empire, and never has been (unless you consider it an empire of ideas). We certainly have significant influence around the world, and can project military power better than anyone. Rome did all this as well, but the US doesn’t hold on to countries we’ve vanquished. In fact, we seem to wash our hands of them as quickly as possible.

That doesn’t mean we don’t have plenty of bases around the world as well (including Iraq - probably forever). Of course, this solves the problem of keeping a presence in the Middle East without having to kiss the Saudi’s butt. Maybe it wouldn’t be as important if we were allowed to develop our own energy resources, but it is not to be anytime soon. Thus we have to protect our/their supplies on the other side of the world.

No, we are definitely not an empire in the Roman sense.

[GeronL]

I don’t know. I can see Europe falling like that to Islam.

[Nuc1]

We are not an Empire.

[dr_lew]

We are not an Empire.

Yes, and at any rate, the world today is, in the phrase of an old SciAm article on world population, "without meaningful historical precedent." There are many caveats to that pronouncement, but the world is in an unprecedented situation, no doubt.

[lurk]

All nations fall eventually. Some go overnight, some fade slowly. Internal corruption just builds up until God pulls out his big eraser and starts over.

The dream that was America will come to an end, for the same reasons that all great powers have.

The question is when and how. The end can be delayed by the spiritual revival of a society and a return to truth.

[Nateman]

My theory for the fall of Rome starts when Caesar crosses the Rubicon and turns the Republic into a dictatorship. With unlimited state power the people pulling the cart get smaller and the people in the cart increase. Eventually the taxes got so high people voluntarily made themselves into slaves rather than pay them. Not only that but the amount of people willing to defend the looter state went down to the point where they had defense done by foreign born soldiers.

American crossed the Rubicon with the passage of the Income tax. That amendment granting unlimited taxation pretty much cancels out the rest of the Constitution.

[scottiemom]

Agreed. I would also add that God answered Abraham: “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.” No matter how much America as a whole deserves the judgement of God, I believe that the righteous will find mercy. How God will handle it, of course, is a matter of faith and trust. I have the faith to believe that He will find this nation worth saving and will restore America as a beacon of Christianity to further His glorius purpose for the salvation of souls through Christ.

[dr_lew]

American crossed the Rubicon with the passage of the Income tax. That amendment granting unlimited taxation pretty much cancels out the rest of the Constitution.

"Many a truth is said in jest," and the fact you aver is acknowledged in the hoary quip, "If the colonists thought that taxation without representation was bad, they should have seen it with representation."

[Nateman]

It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress.

Mark Twain.

[4rcane]

actually the reason for Roman decline has something to do with government and currency. The government was way over spending and they were constantly devaluing ppl’s currency. Eventually they created a two tier currency system in which government were operating in gold while the citizen were constantly put in ever devaluing currency, thus forcing them to work for nothing for the government

[Nuc1]

The world is in dire straights no doubt. Our government is so malignant the world should be afraid. And the marxist dims don’t intend to leave. They already have introduced amnesty in the house and and now have some voter registration subterfuge underway in congress. They intend to stay in power. And marxists will never be satisfied until they own the world.

[mnehring]

As I stated this the other time you posted this:
1. The US isn’t an empire.
2. The “moral decadence” period of Rome came mostly during her mid-periods. It picked up during Tiberius and peaked from Cladius to Nero’s reigns. The periods of moral decadence and excess reigned down into a more conservative(for lack of a better term) period starting with Nerva.
3. The fall is attributed with starting to happen with the Plague of Cyprian which decimated her army. The remaining army was spread out so thin, she was unable to protect her empire..
4..the rest is history..

Don’t whine, do something.

[BfloGuy]

It's tempting to think that way, but I remember the seventies when we all thought America's days of glory were over, too. Even our president (Carter) was out there telling us the same thing. Then Reagan won the presidency and by 1983 or 1984, everything had turned up.

Don't write us off just yet.