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Understanding the Democrats' Scheme
The American Thinker ^ | January 09, 2010 | John F. Gaski

Posted on 01/09/2010 3:19:33 AM PST by Scanian

Poor Bill O'Reilly and Brit Hume. There they were on the O'Reilly show a few weeks ago, puzzling over why Barack Obama and the Democrats are doing so many things that are damaging to our country. Bill and Brit agreed that they couldn't possibly be harming the nation intentionally, because negative voter reaction would redound to them politically and electorally. Can't the Democrats see this? Did they suddenly get stupid politically? This is so unlike them. How to explain this anomaly?

Poor Bill and Brit, and many others, indeed. It is time to think the unthinkable and speak the ineffable. Apart from the troubling question of intent, or whether Obama-Pelosi-Reid just have a novel view of the public interest, the national Democrats are unnaturally and mysteriously sanguine despite growing backlash by the American people. Why? One reason: The Dems don't believe they will ever have to face a real election again. Is their plan not becoming obvious? It is very straightforward:

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: acorn; democrats; electionfraud; obama; seiu; soros; voterfraud
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1 posted on 01/09/2010 3:19:35 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Is Rush the only one saying that all of this is intentional?


2 posted on 01/09/2010 3:27:03 AM PST by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second - GO SARAHCUDA!!!!)
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Well that was damned depressing.


3 posted on 01/09/2010 3:29:51 AM PST by bobby cep (Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Sarah!)
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To: bobby cep

So is this one. That does not mean it it not true. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2424556/posts


4 posted on 01/09/2010 3:38:43 AM PST by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second - GO SARAHCUDA!!!!)
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To: mathluv

No, he isn’t. Glenn Beck, for one, is another very prominent name who has been hammering this point far harder, and in FAR more detail replete with in-depth background/historical context.

All that said, we may agree that this is all quite deliberate, but I refuse to roll over and accept it as “all over” as the well-meaning author says. I believe in the resilience of the American culture, and when the people get fed up in America.......God help you.

They’re now, hereby fed up.


5 posted on 01/09/2010 3:38:43 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Scanian

My wife first brought this up before April of last year. She is thoroughly convinced there will be some “emergency” to “happen” that requires declaration of Martial Law and the elections will be cancelled indefinately so Obama can make himself King of America. There will no longer be a USA if such occurs and we will have to take it back.


6 posted on 01/09/2010 3:41:03 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - Dockery for Gov.)
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To: RightOnline

I haven’t heard Glenn be as specific as Rush, but he certainly is the one who is illustrating the ‘appointees’ of the o.


7 posted on 01/09/2010 3:41:09 AM PST by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second - GO SARAHCUDA!!!!)
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To: bobby cep

I second that emotion. Depressing indeed. Just imagine, if you will, how many of the citizenry might actually get up and fight this disaster. Especially if the weather turns longer term to a much colder norm, as it seems to be doing. How many softies do we have who will do what should be done in Valley Forge-like conditions?


8 posted on 01/09/2010 3:45:17 AM PST by jsh3180
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To: mathluv

Oh, he has done entire weeks’ worth of material on this. Beck is an interesting character. He gets animated, is humorous, self-depracating, waves his arms about, etc., etc.....but his program is devastatingly persuasive and....GASP!....educational.

I heartily applaud his amazing talent for unraveling the complexities of modern progressivism. He has done programs on this (oh...and add his program dedicated to the history of 20th century fascism that was nothing short of amazing) that should win a shelf-ful of Emmy awards (or Peabody, or Pulitzer, or....take your pick). Simply brilliant research, presentation, and analysis.

I love Rush; have for decades, but Beck is a serious force to be reckoned with. No wonder the Left despises him.


9 posted on 01/09/2010 3:46:25 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Scanian
I agree with the author's explanation of the Democrats' behavior but the recent elections tell me we still have the ability to defeat them at the polls.

Obviously Chris Dodd and Byron Dorgan didn't have much faith that the Dems would have everything rigged by 2010.

10 posted on 01/09/2010 3:49:25 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Scanian

Perhaps they’re just leading the horse to the water. Some people like to draw their own conclusions, no matter how obvious they may be to others.


11 posted on 01/09/2010 3:49:28 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: mathluv
Is Rush the only one saying that all of this is intentional?

No, Mark Levin, Bill Bennett, G. Gordon Liddy,Mark Stein, Hannity are all saying it.

No one, however, not even this guy, are saying what we can or must do about it. No one is saying what the tipping point should be--in other words, what is the one thing that, when it happens, we know that civil methods will not avail? We have fought one revolution and one civil war, and we can fight another, but what will be the new "Fort Sumter?"

12 posted on 01/09/2010 3:58:21 AM PST by good1
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To: Scanian

Many of us saw this coming, that said, prepare people. Stock some canned goods, bottled water, ammunition all that you need to survive for up to a year or so. We need to become minute men and women once again. Time is short.


13 posted on 01/09/2010 4:02:05 AM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: All

P.S. 2010 will become the year of the Camel, oweing to the breaking of it’s econimic back.


14 posted on 01/09/2010 4:03:52 AM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: wayoverontheright
Obviously Chris Dodd and Byron Dorgan didn't have much faith that the Dems would have everything rigged by 2010.

And maybe they just don't have the stomach for it anymore? They are getting older and already have all the money they need.

Also, perhaps the Dem leadership may want younger, more aggressive men in these seats. I haven't heard who the Dems are running to replace these men.

15 posted on 01/09/2010 4:04:24 AM PST by good1
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To: exnavy
Stock some canned goods, bottled water, ammunition all that you need to survive for up to a year or so. We need to become minute men and women once again. Time is short.

Why? What is it that's going to happen--Pelosi and company will order the military to shoot Republicans?

Please, enough with the drama. Hard work combatting these slime is what's needed, not silly Red Dawn fantasies.

16 posted on 01/09/2010 4:08:43 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian conservative, atheist prolifer)
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To: mathluv

Glenn Beck has been very specific... he’s the only one that covered the cloward/piven strategy. Which explains all of this.


17 posted on 01/09/2010 4:10:43 AM PST by NotSoModerate
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To: exnavy

The left administration since WWII has all too often brought the extreme left fringe and whack job academicians on board to wit zero’s cabinet, friends (Ayers) and czars.


18 posted on 01/09/2010 4:10:53 AM PST by yorkie01
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To: Scanian

Not that I didn’t already realize this, but I guess I should have had coffee and breakfast before reading this, because now I’m not even hungry.


19 posted on 01/09/2010 4:15:34 AM PST by Jackknife (Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth, and boils his water with his rage)
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To: mazda77

That’s the other control handle the Demonrats have a tight grip on.

The first handle, in their right hand, is all these things this Democrat from Notre Dame just enumerated. And in their left hand is readiness to declare “Martial Law” and Chavez us all.


20 posted on 01/09/2010 4:19:08 AM PST by RoadTest (Karl Marx renamed Free Enterprise (the source of a nation's wealth) "Capitalism".)
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To: mazda77

I also believe there could me a ‘national emergency’ that they will use to declare martial law. I put nothing past this group of political scum. We could very easily have troops patrolling our neighborhoods this time next year. I don’t usually wear a tinfoil lid, but this could be possible. I think that was why they were so ‘concerned’ about the pig flu. I think they were hoping it would be their ‘national emergency’.


21 posted on 01/09/2010 4:20:25 AM PST by Jackknife (Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth, and boils his water with his rage)
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To: Scanian

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2421793/posts

Let’s not overlook the felon vote.

“A federal appeals court has ruled that imprisoned felons should be allowed to vote in Washington state to ensure that racial minorities are protected under the Voting Rights Act...”


22 posted on 01/09/2010 4:21:30 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: Darkwolf377
No drama involved.

Study New Orleans in Katrina.

The global econimy will fail, that is the intent.

What is left of government will be oppressive on a grand scale.

Lawlessness will be the norm.

You can believe what you want. I've seen one possible future for me and mine, I'll be prepared no matter what.

23 posted on 01/09/2010 4:23:46 AM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: good1

Quite frankly I don’t think you’ll see that til after the 2012 elections. We must first pursue a Constitutional path to right the ship. But if those elections don’t usher in enough true patriots to turn this thing around, then Katy bar the door.


24 posted on 01/09/2010 4:25:26 AM PST by visualops (Pray for the USA)
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To: NotSoModerate
Glenn Beck has been very specific... he’s the only one that covered the cloward/piven strategy. Which explains all of this.

He is not the only one covering Cloward/Piven. I have heard Neal Boortz cover this at length, and I know I have heard it on other shows ..... possibly Laura and Levin. Not busting your chops, just saying I have heard it elsewhere. It needs more exposure, though, because it completely explains what is happening, like you said.

25 posted on 01/09/2010 4:27:22 AM PST by Jackknife (Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth, and boils his water with his rage)
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To: Scanian
Grant amnesty to the illegal aliens (the correct term for lawbreaking invaders, regardless of their natural and rational motives) which will create up to 30 million reliably Democrat voters

This is a weak argument. The logistics of it are impossible , even if the premise is true, except over the course of decades. A sudden shock of the influx of this many voters would drive many, including the real Democrat building blocks of unions and blacks the other way. Plus, the calculation, if it has any reality, is being made by the same Democrat leaders who thought the body politic was going to reward and support the universal healthcare plan enthusiastically. Obama's charisma was the big shiny bauble that was supposed to attract everybody, and it is being busted.

26 posted on 01/09/2010 4:28:55 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: NotSoModerate
Besides the obvious ramifications of health care “reform,” it would seem the amnesty and universal voter registration are the two linchpins in their strategy. I'm a firm believer that's why the rats don't really care what their constituents desire because in short order they'll have millions of desperate reinforcements looking to get on the government dole. That's why cloward/piven makes so much sense. Overload the system to collapse it. A frightening thought but most certainly within the realm of possibility.
27 posted on 01/09/2010 4:29:34 AM PST by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: Scanian

The rats tested their plan in the elections in New Jersey and Virginia. How did that turn out?

Get out to your polling place and volunteer to be a poll watcher. Throw the League of Women Voters out of your district. Find proof of voter fraud from previous elections and alert your county sheriff. Demand investigations of ACORN from your local prosecutor and state attorney general.


28 posted on 01/09/2010 4:31:17 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: good1
Googled Obama National Emergency...

Results 1 - 10 of about 4,570,000 for obama national emergency. (0.22 seconds)

He sure does throw the expression around a lot. Almost like conditioning Americans to the term...

29 posted on 01/09/2010 4:36:03 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this)
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To: gusopol3
Obama's charisma was the big shiny bauble that was supposed to attract everybody, and it is being busted.

What we need now is RecordsGate to expose this. The records are there, if we can expose them. Then and only then is there a peaceful path to conclusion.

30 posted on 01/09/2010 4:36:17 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: sergeantdave

Like I posted to someone yesterday...we’ve all heard of Too Big To Fail.

I say, we make the mid-terms Too Big To Steal.

They can only steal the close ones.

Just this once, when you vote, take THREE like-minded people with you. The Democrats are not likely to turn out in Obama-like numbers in an off-year election. And they’d better watch out, anyway, as there are quite a few of them who are unhappy and might give the Dems the bird.

THEN the Republicans grow a pair. Remove all the ACORN funding from the budget...everywhere it appears, whether it’s a dollar or a million dollars. FORCE Obama to veto a bill because it has no funding for ACORN and its related groups.

If we control either chamber, start calling for investigations: Walpin-gate, ACORN, the shutdowns of Ft.Hood investigation....ALL OF IT.

Let’s stop the moaning and get our shit together.


31 posted on 01/09/2010 4:45:45 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Scanian

The questions are how many welfare Dims and illegal “Dims” ACORN and SEIU can bring to the polls, how many legitimate voters they can scare away from the polls, and therefore how much they can affect elections. 2010 will be our opportunity to push them off; if we do, they’ll wither on the vine; if we don’t, they’ll become too strong to stop.


32 posted on 01/09/2010 4:53:50 AM PST by JohnQ1 ("I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow)
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To: Daisyjane69

I like the way you think. Well said.


33 posted on 01/09/2010 5:02:58 AM PST by good1
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To: mathluv

I think they believe they will have the Socialist State irretrievably in position before any opportunity for the non-socialists to regain power. If they get Amnesty and Universal Voting then they don’t have to worry about losing power ever again. If they cannot sufficiently ACORN this November’s contest and lose Congress, they believe firmly that they will get it all back in 2012. The Republicans, enough of them anyway, will cooperate with them on Cap and Trade and Amnesty.


34 posted on 01/09/2010 5:08:25 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: exnavy
Have fun in your shelter, but it's interesting that all you folks ever do is list things like "Katrina! Lawlessness!" You never actually get to the point where things collapse--it just kinda, HAPPENS. Forget that there are 300 million people here, forget that the government can't just order military to take over and kill their neighbors...

Look who I'm talking to? Forget it, go back to your Twilight Zone watching.

35 posted on 01/09/2010 5:19:30 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian conservative, atheist prolifer)
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To: mazda77

They don’t need martial law and there is some risk with it that they don’t need to take. All they need is Amnesty which McLain and other Republicans will support. Universal Voting Registration will be “piling on” and will pad their initial margins until they are permanently ensconced and can change to the Soviet and Saddam system of Elections. I do NOT expect any such declaration. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe that select, “reliable” military units won’t be used in some locations to get Americans used to the Army being used for riot control, etc. Posse Comitatus can be easily found to permit such “emergency” use, I am sure.


36 posted on 01/09/2010 5:24:39 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Gubmint cannot protect anyone, even themselves.

I will not be hiding, I'll be following in the footsteps of the founders.

I do not know when, I do not know what will set it all in motion. It will happen.

Good luck to You.

37 posted on 01/09/2010 5:28:22 AM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: arthurus
"The Republicans, enough of them anyway, will cooperate with them on Cap and Trade and Amnesty."

Based on what info? As of now even the Dems are waving off any attempt at Cap & Trade legislation. The entire GW effort has been crushed. Will it return? maybe if some REAL evidence is provided which is not mitigated by other evidence and a full open discussion is permitted.

Same for amnesty. With the terror threat on the ascent here, it hardly plays well to push for allowing illegals to become citizens.

38 posted on 01/09/2010 5:33:09 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: wayoverontheright

Dodd and Dorgan may have physically removed themselves from the halls of the senate, but wait...we will discover they have NOT left dc. They will be hired as lobbyists and still have access to the halls of the senate.


39 posted on 01/09/2010 5:40:48 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Daisyjane69

The significance of “close” is higher percentages required every year. It used to be accepted wisdom that the Republicans had to win a national election by a million votes to break even. Now it is more like 5 million and getting worse.


40 posted on 01/09/2010 5:43:08 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: JohnQ1

There will be no “withering on the vine” no matter how poorly they do in any number of elections. They are the product of a rich society that can support a lot of people who don’t work but do spend their lives in University and in the Street. That is why we have a hard time translating our actual majority into activism and political action. We have jobs and don’t rely on trust funds and grant money for our daily bread. We are supporting lavishly those who would enslave us.


41 posted on 01/09/2010 5:47:54 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: RightOnline

Within the Beltway of Washington
lies the incest pool where politicians swim
in waters of poluted thought.
After dipping in leaves a coating seal
about the head closing ears and coating eyes
with foaming froth.
The perverse foam
of involute invidious invincablity...ljk
http://www.theusmat.com/natdesk.htm
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Another reason the socialist wing of the democratic party which now controls it have become intractable, is because of the reliance on MSM which still has the majority in the distribution of sources of information.

If you don’t have cable or dish for example you can’t watch Beck or for that matter Hanity . Which leaves the only other media venue open is AM (alternate media) broadcast Radio.

If there are serious moves to shut these (a)venues down the big question is then what do we do ?
http://www.theusmat.com/


42 posted on 01/09/2010 5:48:14 AM PST by mosesdapoet ( What did Obama's UK's first trip and his curious entourage of 500 cost US ?)
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To: Scanian

The problem comes from those who see this as a left-right, Democrat-Republican fight. It isn’t. If you look at it as a partisan political fight, you will miss what is really happening.

The United States constitution created several different mechanisms to both balance power and prevent radical change away from the constitutional framework. But especially, for the last 100 years, mistakes were made that have altered that balancing mechanism, so that the system has now become terribly imbalanced, and our constitutional form of government is threatened.

Most Americans are aware of the “three branches of government”, the executive, legislative and judicial branches. And that there are mechanisms that are supposed to keep them in balance.

But there is another system. The balance between the national government, the State governments, and the people, which is just as important to keep our nation in balance.

The way this was done was first, that the people elect the US House of Representatives. It was even nicknamed “The Peoples’ House” for this very reason. This was to be the truly democratic part of our republican-democracy.

Second, that the electoral college would elect the US President. This was a way to get around tie votes, which have happened in US history.

Third, that the individual States were supposed to appoint two US senators from their State, to insure that the States had a voice, and power, in Washington.

And finally fourth, that the US President appoint justices to the US Supreme Court, with the advice and consent of the US Senate, and thus indirectly the individual States, again. The founding fathers were wary of judicial excess, so also gave congress control over what cases judges could hear, and how federal courts under the Supreme Court are organized.

However, among other things, in 1913 the national government made two dreadful mistakes. The 16th (Income Tax), and 17th (Direct election of US Senators) amendments to the US constitution.

Taxation for the national government has always been a problem in the United States, but taxing the people directly, with the income tax, was a terrible idea. This is because the national government is *not* supposed to interact directly with the people. It interacts with the States, because they are a buffer between the people and the national government.

And in this case, “interaction” opened the door to the national government trying to involve itself in the personal lives of the people. Exactly what the founding fathers sought to avoid. The power to tax is the power to control.

And by taking away the power of the States to appoint US Senators, stripped them of their means to control the national government, to prevent it from oppressing those States’ citizens. The appeal to “direct democracy” for the US Senate sounds good on the surface, but it had a terrible price in the loss of liberty and freedom.

So the end result has over time introduced great imbalance into the system. Not just to the balance between the national government, the individual States, and the people; but to the three branches of government as well.

Since even the last part of the 19th Century, the US has been lorded over by an “imperial presidency”, which gets progressively worse. The US congress has ceded tremendous authority, much of which it did not have in the constitution in the first place, to the president and his bureaucracy. For their part, the presidents have grabbed more power just on their own.

Federal judges reign from the bench, accepting few if any limitations on their power. They engage in activities like ordering States to appropriate monies for the judges’ purposes. They accept countless frivolous appeals of State laws to the federal bench. And they likewise build on unconstitutional precedent, giving it superiority of the clear letter, and certainly the spirit, of the constitution.

There is no Republican-Democrat politics in this. No left wing and right wing. No conservatism and progressivism. Especially now, these things are becoming irrelevant, overtaken by the imbalance of power and unconstitutional nature of the government.

So who in the world supports this imbalance? Democrat and Republican leaders, lobbyists, consultants, the bureaucracy, and more than anything else, the bloated inertia of things.

And what can be done about it?

To start with, much *is* already being done, and at a powerful scale, to redress the smallest part of this threat. It is being done by the individual States, with their 10th Amendment Resolutions. It is the polite request of the national government to stop taking their power.

The first step.

But the national government, the political parties and others, are blind and deaf to it, at least at the national level. They cannot see or hear even their own grassroots, much less the State legislatures and the people.

This is why the upcoming Tea Party convention is so vital to the future of our nation.

Right now, the vast majority of Americans see politics only through the light of the Republican and Democratic politics and their agendas. But they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.

If the focus of the people continues to be “conservatism” or “progressivism”, the end result with be neither. The end result will be some loathsome contraption of pseudo-government that could be called a “financial-corporatocracy”. Our new rulers will be men like those that ran Enron, Lehman Brothers, and GM into the ground. Speculators, Ponzi schemers, inside traders, thieves.

Right now, there is a profound suspicion in the public that whoever is elected is just a puppet for such scoundrels. That congressmen and senators are wholly owned property, unwilling and unable to stop a crippling national debt, burdensome and unfair laws, corrupt and bloated bureaucracy, and loose cannon federal judges.

But the individual States, hopefully supported by the Tea Parties, will be able to invoke their constitutional responsibilities before they have to do so to prevent a collapse of our nation.

And it is the people of the Tea Parties that have to learn where the real problem lies. That it is not just another political dispute between left and right, between Republican and Democrat, but that the very destiny of our nation will be based on its outcome.

The national government is out of control. It must be returned to its proper place, or the United States of America may very well be forfeit.
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(If anyone wishes to pass this on to Brit Hume or Bill O’Reilly, or anyone else for that matter, please feel free to do so.)


43 posted on 01/09/2010 5:52:02 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Scanian

If any ONE of those happen, we skip the jury box and the ballot box.

AND NOTHING THE RATS DO AFTER THAT WILL STOP THE BACKLASH.


44 posted on 01/09/2010 6:00:56 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Scanian
Bill and Brit agreed that they couldn't possibly be harming the nation intentionally,...

Is it a requirement that one be a moron, to get a job as an overpaid talking head?

45 posted on 01/09/2010 6:09:01 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: arthurus

I believe that your assessment is correct. In my opinion, the way they are going to deal with the gun issue is that the atf, in their areas of operation, will go thhe paperwork associated with gun ownership, hunting licenses, concealed carry permits, ffl yellow sheets, ect. Then,they will issue warrants for these individuals, aklleging a federal firearms law violation. Wether these individuals is immaterial from their point of view.Next theu willenlist the aid of the local law enforcement agencies, deputy sheriffs, city police, highway patrol and they will be happy to oblige. What they will be told is that these individuals named in the warrants have violated the federal firearms laws.

The media will cheer and applaude their “bravery”. A good many on this forum will cheer also and opine that the arrestees got what they deserved.


46 posted on 01/09/2010 6:20:56 AM PST by sport
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

How much of a threat is this? I keep reading that there are a majority of drug offenders who are felons. Most of these are libertarian. A lot of lawbeaking is entrepreneurial in nature. I am unsure that just having been convicted of a felony makes one a socialist. I also question if people who have already ignored the law are amenable to coercion by the Democrats. The *law* is so complex, anyone could be hauled in for a myriad of violations, some of which are felonies. Being convicted of one of these could actually turn someone away from all politics and engender a further contempt of government.


47 posted on 01/09/2010 6:21:35 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Darkwolf377; exnavy

“forget that the government can’t just order military to take over and kill their neighbors”

The Baltimore Massacre.
Kent State.


48 posted on 01/09/2010 6:27:43 AM PST by Salamander (Hold on to all your fears 'cause when I get outta here, vengeance is mine, mine, mine!)
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To: RightOnline

But Beck has no problem criticizing those who want our President to provide the same information that the 4H, little leagues,schools, and etc., require to sign-up. This is the problem, we have someone who doesn’t love this Country and is targeting it for destruction and personal religious gain.


49 posted on 01/09/2010 7:31:38 AM PST by mcshot (Son of Liberty.)
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To: exnavy
Gotta love these people that claim it can't happen.
I grew up during the Cuban missile crisis.
Don't anyone tell me it can't happen it damn near did.
I'm with you.
I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
50 posted on 01/09/2010 7:46:26 AM PST by IMR 4350
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