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Oliver Stone's 'Secret History' to put Hitler 'in context' [Barf Alert]
thelivefeed thru the Drudge Report ^ | January.9, 2010 | James Hibberd

Posted on 01/10/2010 12:29:00 PM PST by Reagan Man

Director Oliver Stone's upcoming Showtime documentary miniseries "Secret History of America" promises to put mass murderers such as Stalin and Hitler "in context."

"Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy -- these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history," Stone told reporters at the Television Critics Association's semi-annual press tour in Pasadena. 

"Stalin has a complete other story," Stone said. "Not to paint him as a hero, but to tell a more factual representation. He fought the German war machine more than any single person. We can't judge people as only 'bad' or 'good.' Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and its been used cheaply. He's the product of a series of actions. It's cause and effect ... People in America don't know the connection between WWI and WWII ... I've been able to walk in Stalin's shoes and Hitler's shoes to understand their point of view. We're going to educate our minds and liberalize them and broaden them. We want to move beyond opinions ... Go into the funding of the Nazi party. How many American corporations were involved, from GM through IBM. Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated."

The controversial director's 10-part documentary series for Showtime promises to focus on events that "at the time went under-reported, but crucially shaped America's unique and complex history of the last 60 years." Subjects in "History" include President Harry Truman’s decision to drop the atomic bomb on Japan and the origins of the Cold War with the Soviet Union.

"You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate," Stone said during the show's trailer, which promised to put historical villains "in context." "I don't want to put out conventional History Channel product where it's easy to like it."

"He's not saying we're going to come out with a more positive view of Hitler," emphasized professor Peter Kuznick, the lead writer on the project. "But we're going to describe him as a historical phenomenon and not just somebody who appeared out of nowhere."

Stone said that conservative pundits will dislike the show. 

"Obviously, Rush Limbaugh is not going to like this history and, as usual, we're going to get those kind of ignorant attacks," said Stone, who also also compared the experience of sympathizing with war criminals to making his "W" movie about George W. Bush. "I'm trying to understand somebody I thoroughly despised."

Stone also warned that the same military industrial complex forces that he's explored in movies such as "JFK" and in "Secret History," are now corrupting Barack Obama. 

"You can understand why Obama is following in Bush's footsteps in Afghanistan," Stone said."Obama is very much trapped, we believe, in that system. And so that's what we're going to try and show you -- the way it works."

The project will also show lesser-known positive aspects of American history and unsung heroes. Stone eventually hopes to send "Secret History" to schools as a teaching curriculum.

"It would be a very different counterweight to what they're learning," Stone said. "Nobody is going to force it down anybody's throat."

A critic also asked Stone "the Sarah Palin question" of what he likes to read.

"My father was a voracious New York Times reader," he said.  "We consider that in The Middle. Sarah Palin would disagree."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bush; documentary; hitler; hollyweird; hollywood; libtards; limbaugh; newyorktimes; obama; oliverstone; oliverstoned; palin; rush; secrethistory

1 posted on 01/10/2010 12:29:02 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man

Put the bong down, Stone.


2 posted on 01/10/2010 12:33:45 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: Reagan Man

nly Oliver Stoned could come up with this sick view - DEE TA DEE!


3 posted on 01/10/2010 12:33:53 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Reagan Man

Anti-American douchebag. He should do a “documentary” on the similarities between FDR and Hitler. That could prove very interesting is he was honest.

Instead, he’ll retell the lie that the Bush family gave Hitler money. Actually, it was a bank run by Averill Harriman that gave Hitler money. Poppy Bush just worked there, and not at that time.


4 posted on 01/10/2010 12:34:07 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Reagan Man

So tell us, Oh Great One Oliver Stone, then why did your PRECIOUS Hitler, Stalin and Lenin find it within their little pumpkin hearts to murder of MILLIONS of their populations!!! Seems to me your liberal spin is rather getting in the way of REAL FACTS there.

Pffffffffffffft, typical Hollywood garbage!


5 posted on 01/10/2010 12:34:18 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: Reagan Man

He puts McCarthy with Stalin, Hitler and Mao?

You just can’t make up stuff as oddball as what some leftist’s propose.


6 posted on 01/10/2010 12:34:52 PM PST by Aroostook25
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To: Reagan Man
"My father was a voracious New York Times reader," he said.

So no doubt Stone's documentary will be colored at least in part by the pro-Stalinist lies of Walter Duranty, who perhaps single-handedly operated a coverup of the Holodomor and GULAG.

I can only imagine the garbage Stone will be putting out there: Litvinov was Britain's lackey-Jew; Molotov was a stalwart, noble anti-Fascist; there could have been no Holocaust without IBM punchcards; calculated as killings-per-minute, Truman surpassed them all, etc.

7 posted on 01/10/2010 12:35:05 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Reagan Man

Someday, Stone will be remembered as the King of Revisionist “History”. Who cares what really happened, in Stone’s view, “history” should always contain lots of anti-Americanism. He’s a punk.


8 posted on 01/10/2010 12:35:50 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Remember in November! Throw all of the bums out!)
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To: Reagan Man

So I wonder if Oliver Stone[r] is as sympathetic to GW Bush or Nixon as he is to Hitler and Stalin?


9 posted on 01/10/2010 12:36:28 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Reagan Man
We can't judge people as only 'bad' or 'good.'

Watch: HERITAGE FOUNDATION: "How Modern Liberals Think"

10 posted on 01/10/2010 12:36:37 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Reagan Man

“Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy”

McCarthy being included is what happens when a conservtive Senator uses Alinsky tactics.


11 posted on 01/10/2010 12:37:07 PM PST by bilhosty (Don' t tax people tax newsprint)
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To: Reagan Man

Is Pat Buchanan a consultant on the upcoming ‘schlockumentary’?


12 posted on 01/10/2010 12:38:53 PM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Carley

LOL


13 posted on 01/10/2010 12:39:36 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Aroostook25
He puts McCarthy with Stalin, Hitler and Mao?/// maybe he means Paul McCarthy!!!!! sorry could not help that.
14 posted on 01/10/2010 12:39:47 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne(Why can't Michelle practice law anymore?))
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To: Reagan Man
Stone eventually hopes to send "Secret History" to schools as a teaching curriculum. "It would be a very different counterweight to what they're learning," Stone said. "Nobody is going to force it down anybody's throat." These people are scary. If they are allowed they will re-write history!
15 posted on 01/10/2010 12:42:57 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne(Why can't Michelle practice law anymore?))
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To: Reagan Man
...Stone eventually hopes to send "Secret History" to schools as a teaching curriculum.

One more time, I get to express my joy over the fact my offspring are grown...

16 posted on 01/10/2010 12:46:50 PM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: Reagan Man

Delusional. He should be committed, but then most of Hollywood should be.


17 posted on 01/10/2010 12:48:23 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (New Wizard of Oz: Pelosi as the Wicked Witch of the West & Michelle as the Wicked Witch of the East.)
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To: ColdOne

These Commie imbeciles have been rewriting history for decades. Allowing the government to be in control of the schools was the first mistake (1800s) and once the Progressive took over (turn of the century 1900s), teaching the basics and the truth has been the least thing on the Commies minds.


18 posted on 01/10/2010 12:50:54 PM PST by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: YankeeReb
So I wonder if Oliver Stone[r] is as sympathetic to GW Bush or Nixon as he is to Hitler and Stalin?

Stone did make a movie about Nixon. I thought it was very well done. It's been a while since I saw it but I remember parts that were sympathetic to Nixon.

Anthony Hopkins did a great job playing Nixon.

19 posted on 01/10/2010 12:54:49 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Paige
Yes. and if they get the health bill passed they will be able to kill the rest off and start anew.
20 posted on 01/10/2010 12:58:39 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne(Why can't Michelle practice law anymore?))
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To: Reagan Man

“You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate,”

Oh. OK. I thought this article was satire at first, but apparently not. This is sounding bizarre even for him.


21 posted on 01/10/2010 1:09:54 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: Petronski
"I can only imagine the garbage Stone will be putting out there..."

I can't imagine, but possibly the ultimate in conspiracy theory books is Guido Preparata's "Conjuring Hitler -- How Britain and America Made the Third Reich."

If I remember right, his basic idea is that Hitler was simply an agent of British and American policy, sent to destroy Germany.

I don't remember Preparata mentioning Prescott Bush, but pretty sure such an omission would be "corrected" by Oliver Stone.

22 posted on 01/10/2010 1:12:05 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Reagan Man

So, let me guess: It was really IBM and GM that were responsible for Hitler, right? And maybe they pushed him to invade Poland and kill those 6M Jews?

Hey, Stone: why don’t you do an expose of how much Joe Kennedy was an apologist and enabler of Hitler? I bet that’s one thing that won’t ever be put in “context”.


23 posted on 01/10/2010 1:39:12 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Reagan Man

So, let me guess: It was really IBM and GM that were responsible for Hitler, right? And maybe they pushed him to invade Poland and kill those 6M Jews?

Hey, Stone: why don’t you do an expose of how much Joe Kennedy was an apologist and enabler of Hitler? I bet that’s one thing that won’t ever be put in “context”.


24 posted on 01/10/2010 1:39:29 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Reagan Man

He’s run out of ideas...sad really.


25 posted on 01/10/2010 1:43:42 PM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: ColdOne
These people are scary. If they are allowed they will re-write history!

They started over 40 years ago as they began the take-over of universities and media.

Sad thing is most conservatives underestimate the power of intellectuals, thinkers, writers, movie-makers and those that are part of that "liberal" world. I can hear the scoffing even now.

And yet our culture is nearly completely controlled by them and they control the thinking of the next generation.

And the few intellectual conservatives out there trying to make a difference are met with derision by many conservatives.

The leftists almost winning by default and we're losing by suicide.

26 posted on 01/10/2010 1:55:33 PM PST by GeorgeSaden
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To: rbg81

Maybe this is an updated version of “Springtime for Hitler”


27 posted on 01/10/2010 1:58:32 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: GeorgeSaden

You are correct.


28 posted on 01/10/2010 2:00:32 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne(Why can't Michelle practice law anymore?))
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To: Reagan Man

It’s obvious what Oliver Stone is doing here. He’s playing out the plot from the producers.

“It’s springtime for Hitler...”

For some people, I think it’s okay to look behind the mask. With Hitler, that quickly turns into humanization, something that should never be done with a villain of this level.

This guy was a vile planetary criminal, more worthy than just about anyone else to be cast against a super hero character.

And in the end, he took his own life, rather than stand up and defend his actions like a man. Just a pathetic excuse for a man, a man supposed to have exceptional vision according to his fellow travelers.


29 posted on 01/10/2010 2:44:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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To: Reagan Man
"Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated."

And then people like you -- Oliver -- would be lamenting Hitler's assassination just as they lament Mossadegh in Iran, Allende in Chile, and any number of other petty radical socialists. If, that is, Hitler had been killed in say, 1935.

30 posted on 01/10/2010 3:27:10 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: YankeeReb
So I wonder if Oliver Stone[r] is as sympathetic to GW Bush or Nixon as he is to Hitler and Stalin?

I think the answer to that is self-evident. Just look at his films.

31 posted on 01/10/2010 3:29:36 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Someday, Stone will be remembered as the King of Revisionist “History”.

And you'll have to wait in line for 4 hours and pay $8.25 to urinate on his memorial.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

32 posted on 01/10/2010 3:39:07 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: ozzymandus

Many say WWII saved us from the Great Depression. That may be so, but I think a lot can be said for the notion that it saved us from FDR.


33 posted on 01/10/2010 4:22:53 PM PST by TheVitaminPress (as goes the Second Amendment . . . so goes the Constitution.)
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