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China supplanting the U.S. as World’s Largest Auto Market
CFP ^ | January 11, 2010 | Judi McLeod

Posted on 01/11/2010 9:18:00 AM PST by bogusname

There’s a picture of a soldier from the People’s Republic of China on this morning’s Drudge Report, depicting, Internet style, how China has finally ended the U.S.’s reign as the world’s largest auto market.

Had Drudge and Bloomberg.com, who broke the story been more journalistically correct, the lone soldier’s picture would have been flanked by those of Obama bagman George Soros and UN Poster Boy, Canadian-in-China Maurice Strong.

For it is a matter of fact that the People’s Republic of China did not naturally nor honestly win the race as world’s largest auto market, Soros and Strong made it happen.

The intent of the deadly anti-American duo back in 2006 was to flood the American market with cheap Chinese made cars.

While Chicoms in the automaking industry cheated by stealing blueprints from North American competitors, Soros and Strong were boasting about how cheap econo-box cars from Communist China would decimate Ford, Chrysler and GM.

The “Poor Man’s Wheels”, the Chery originated from yet another copycat China endeavour. “The Chery is a knockoff of the South Korean Spark, sold in the U.S. in partnership with General Motors.”(Wall Street Journal, March 1, 2006. “GM filed a lawsuit against Chery Automobile Co. for piracy of the car developed by its South Korean Daewoo.”

This chain of events took place back in the days before Barack Obama became the proud owner of the American car industry...

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: autos; china; soros; strong

1 posted on 01/11/2010 9:18:01 AM PST by bogusname
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To: bogusname

Right and this has nothing to do with the fact that China has about4 times as many people as we do. Even if every single person in America owned a car, and 1/3 of the Chinese owned cars, they would still have a larger car market than us.


2 posted on 01/11/2010 9:22:52 AM PST by ronnietherocket2
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To: bogusname

The Chery can’t be sold in the US because it doesn’t meet minimum safety standards. Mostly Libs pushed the safety standards here in the US....now are they going to resend them?


3 posted on 01/11/2010 9:23:47 AM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: bogusname

——incompetent management, greedy unions and excessive government intervention (excessive emissions controls) didn’t help the situation-—


4 posted on 01/11/2010 9:24:11 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Dallas59

but serious would you really want to drive a car like this?
china crash test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D827IxEJVS4


5 posted on 01/11/2010 9:24:56 AM PST by darkside321
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To: bogusname

So how’s that “free trade” thing working out?...

AMERICA FIRST.


6 posted on 01/11/2010 9:25:28 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (2012: Repeal it all... All of it!)
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To: darkside321
Will a Chinese Car Kill You?
7 posted on 01/11/2010 9:34:42 AM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: ronnietherocket2

agreed.
From CIA world factbook:
China Population:
1,338,612,968 (July 2009 est.)

USA Population:
307,212,123 (July 2009 est.)

so you don´t have to be math genius to figure out that it was only a matter of time untill china will surpass the US.


8 posted on 01/11/2010 9:36:36 AM PST by darkside321
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To: bogusname

Good.

Let the Global Warming bots go after China. I’m certain that they will be given a different reception there than they receive in gullible, indolent Western societies.


9 posted on 01/11/2010 9:37:11 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: darkside321

Is there no limit to the amount of PRC apologist groupthink, which can take place on this board?

China is replacing America. Technologically. Financially. Taking our jobs, our industry and our influence in the world.

That’s not a good thing. Wake up people.

AMERICA FIRST.


10 posted on 01/11/2010 9:40:30 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (2012: Repeal it all... All of it!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

China is replacing America. Technologically. Financially. Taking our jobs, our industry and our influence in the world.

That’s not a good thing. Wake up people.


i guess nobody said that this is a good thing.
but the problem is what are we gonna do against it?


11 posted on 01/11/2010 9:42:26 AM PST by darkside321
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

By copying and making fakes.


12 posted on 01/11/2010 9:43:59 AM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: darkside321

Well for one thing - the GOP could stop shilling for “free trade” which in practice means firing Americans and sending American jobs and skills overseas.

For starters.

The GOP has landed four square and completely now, in the role of being AGAINST AMERICANS.

Against American jobs. Against American strength.

We are enriching and strengthening those who will eventually destroy us.

And the party we most closely believe in - is the party selling America out.

There is NOTHING conservative - or patriotic - about what the GOP is doing, with regards to so-called “free trade”.

Nothing.


13 posted on 01/11/2010 9:47:23 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (2012: Repeal it all... All of it!)
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To: ronnietherocket2

That is, China should be the largest car market.

The corollary is that is China is the largest market for everything.

If you are in business, you should be determining how to sell China

China trade drives the world economy


14 posted on 01/11/2010 9:56:24 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . What ever I do is what shall bean the production line than to operate the equipm)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

well first i should mention that i´m not an american (live in europe) so i´m not that familar with GOP politics in generall ;-) but anyway...
I think the generell problem stays the same.
China has this incredible huge population and there for it´s only a matter of time untill they will surpass “us” in more and more sectors. unfortunately there is not much anyone can do against this.
But i do agree we should at least stop “helping” them in the name of globalisation.
but at the end the problem stays the same. china only has to wait and there is nothing we can do against this.


15 posted on 01/11/2010 10:04:59 AM PST by darkside321
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

China was the world’s largest economy up until the 1840s. It is pretty much a historical anomaly(due to the Industrial revolution) that Western Europe and North America surpassed China in terms of GDP. So now that China has gained Industrial-age technologies, we can assume that they will once again dominate the world economy and technological direction as they have on and off for the last 2000 years.


16 posted on 01/11/2010 10:06:27 AM PST by artaxerces
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To: darkside321

That’s amazing! Even if 1,000,000,000 people in China died, they’d still have more people than us.


17 posted on 01/11/2010 10:16:36 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: darkside321

Well if one looks at historical trends, it was only 500-600 years ago that East Asia was the benchmark of human civilization (Chinese/Japanese in terms of technology and economy, Mongols in terms of Military power).

As a corollary, there is no real reason why the West is “entitled” to a first world level of technology or standard of living. The West needs to work hard, innovate, and compete to maintain their standing amongst nations.


18 posted on 01/11/2010 10:17:27 AM PST by artaxerces
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

There’s a reason they’re taking over: Liberals have invaded everything and we can’t keep up.


19 posted on 01/11/2010 10:18:09 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

That’s one of the problems but the problem started with unions.


20 posted on 01/11/2010 10:19:47 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: artaxerces

unfortunately i have to agree.
Lets face it if we like it or not China has the best requirements to become the dominat super power in this world. Not that this is a good thing but from a cold hard political point of view. the have more then 1.300.000.000
people under total controll and can use and brainwash them in the direction they want. they don´t have to deal with opposition political partys, lawers, activists.... like we have. the standart chinese can be (and is) used just as a working drone. (most of them do not share this kind of individualism thinking “we” have). so this is definitely evil but this gives them a lot of power.


21 posted on 01/11/2010 10:22:24 AM PST by darkside321
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To: ronnietherocket2
Right. It's not just a matter of population, either. China is the world's largest car market because cars are things Americans already own in abundance -- but are still quite a luxury in China.

This is also why China is the world's largest market for sanitary sewer systems, potable drinking water, and any number of other things we take for granted here in the U.S.

22 posted on 01/11/2010 10:31:24 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: darkside321

Actually, I think you’re confusing culture with government control. A government as incompetent as the Chinese one has no real way of efficiently controlling 1.3 billion people in a command economy. It has been tried by the USSR and China in the 60s and 70s(Great Leap Forward...), and it leads to a total collapse of productivity. Moreover, worker drones with guns against their heads would be nowhere near as productive as the Chinese are now. China’s advantages are mostly cultural:

1. Strong work ethic (greater productivity per worker)
2. Tendency to obey Laws (lower law enforcement spending)
3. Largely mono-ethnic, mono-lingual(lower educational costs)
3. Frugality and high savings rate(obvious benefits :))
3. Emphasis on family and education (lower educational and social services spending)


23 posted on 01/11/2010 10:36:48 AM PST by artaxerces
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To: bogusname

I have a feeling we will all be owned by China one day.. Even the Islamo Fascists!


24 posted on 01/11/2010 10:37:06 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: artaxerces

As a corollary, there is no real reason why the West is “entitled” to a first world level of technology or standard of living. The West needs to work hard, innovate, and compete to maintain their standing amongst nations.


Well i really do not believe that the “average” chinese will ever reach a standart of living like we have here in the western world but this is not even necessary to surpass “us” in terms of overal GDP. Even if they only manage to earn 1/3 of the money “we” earn here we would never be able to only match them.


25 posted on 01/11/2010 10:41:14 AM PST by darkside321
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

I have a feeling we will all be owned by China one day.. Even the Islamo Fascists!


quite possible! :-(
but at least there is hope too for the “western world”.
Chinas evil regime may collapse someday from within.
Or at least if really everything else fails to stop china
to become our new global master ;-) the US and EU could team up (not because of the love for each other but simple out of the need, because together we could still shape the face of the world like “we” want if necessary instead of kowtow to the chinese each on our own ;-) because the combined industrial and economic power of the US and the EU is something china could never match not even in their wildest dreams.
greetings


26 posted on 01/11/2010 11:08:12 AM PST by darkside321
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To: darkside321
That strategy sounds familiar..
China has been teaming up with Russia for years.. The little 'war games' they stage together have always been disconcerting.. However, China is no doubt using Russia and would crush them after they helped them crush US.
People always tell me that would Never happen.. China Needs US.. I seriously doubt they will always need us.
27 posted on 01/11/2010 11:21:11 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Well for one thing - the GOP could stop shilling for “free trade” which in practice means firing Americans and sending American jobs and skills overseas.

I sort of agree with you, but not in a way that would not be very flattering to some working class Americans.

America's trade policies are often advised by those in the Harvard economic circles. They advise how America should set trade policies to best use her comparative advantage for exports and how to best use another nations comparative advantage for imports. In the end, there are winners and losers. America's technology driven producers become the winners, and unfortunately, many of the low tech producers, such as steel, becomes losers.

And in theory, retraining will be provided to help those in the low tech industries transition into the high tech industries. However, where the Harvard economic theories fall apart, is that not everyone in the low tech industries have the desire or capability to transition into high tech industries. This is not meant to insult some workers, but it is a brutal reality.

I was watching a news program once about how government funding helped a steel mill in the deep South. The owner/operator chastised those Harvard economists and said the Ivy Leagers should just keep their economic theories in the class room and "quit messing with everyone's lives". The owner/operation of the steel mill himself was someone who was rather gruff in his demeanor and it was difficult for me to picture him initiating a Silicon Valley upstart.

In the end, not everyone is able to or has the desire to write computer programs.

28 posted on 01/11/2010 11:35:32 AM PST by ponder life
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

People always tell me that would Never happen.. China Needs US.. I seriously doubt they will always need us.


i think you are right.
Well i guess China “needs” the US (and others) just as long as it benefits them somehow or untill they have grown strong enought to take over. china has its own plans for the world and i guarantee you they don´t fit very well into the plans of the US or the western world in generall.
They will play “somehow” nice untill they are strong enought
to dictate. thats all. btw. russia is allready starting to pi$$ing in their pants (who can blame them for that since they share a border with them) because of china.


29 posted on 01/11/2010 11:36:53 AM PST by darkside321
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To: darkside321
Plus, China still has spy's in our country..
We have spy's in other countries for Defensive reasons..
They have spies in other countries for Offense reasons.
30 posted on 01/11/2010 11:42:33 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
So how’s that “free trade” thing working out?...

AMERICA FIRST.

It's working out quite nicely, actually. You have to keep in mind, is that ALL major developed nations have seen a dramatic drop in auto consumption, from Japan, to Germany, to Russia, to France, etc. This is due to the fact that credit has dried up. And the loss of credit has more to do with the recent housing crisis and less with free trade.

The fact that China's auto market has become the largest is not a reflection on America. And its not being an apologist to suggest that a nation four times larger than the US have a larger auto market. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. America will remain the SECOND largest auto market for many decades. China is four times larger, so people shouldn't be surprised or appalled.

China didn't acquire developed world auto production facilities. They acquired developed auto production know how, which is an intangible and can be duplicated many times over without lost to the original proprietor.

China's increase in auto consumption has nothing to do with the price flannel shirts in Montana.

The only thing lost in America, is the benefit of calling herself the largest auto market. And being angry about that is just being plain old prideful.

31 posted on 01/11/2010 11:45:58 AM PST by ponder life
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

Plus, China still has spy’s in our country..
We have spy’s in other countries for Defensive reasons..
They have spies in other countries for Offense reasons.


Well i guess while there are still many factors why we should blame China (and definitely be aware of them because they are NOT our friends) or the CCP. the spys are a minor problem. most countries use spys (more or less) on each other (even on their closest “allies”). and not all of them are only there because of “defensive” reasons. this is a fact. i guess in the spy buisness no country is without sins.
greetings


32 posted on 01/11/2010 12:02:21 PM PST by darkside321
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To: darkside321

It is interesting ‘cause making cars is not as hard as decades ago. If smart boys can do it in the garage, a billion-population country can do it in factories too.

If there is nothing improved in the industry for years, the technological advantage of developed countries may vanish gradually.

Though, Chinese cars are yet durable and safe enough to be competitive in the world market.


33 posted on 01/11/2010 4:40:57 PM PST by QF129
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To: Alberta's Child

That does affect it too; I was just looking at it from as a simple numbers game.


34 posted on 01/11/2010 5:02:58 PM PST by ronnietherocket2
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