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2 Navy SEALs' detainee abuse trials moved to Iraq
Philly.com ^ | 1-11-10 | Larry O'Dell

Posted on 01/11/2010 2:22:47 PM PST by 444Flyer

RICHMOND, Va. - Two Navy SEALs accused in the mistreatment of an Iraqi detainee will be tried in a U.S. military court in Iraq.

A military judge at Naval Station Norfolk on Monday moved the courts-martial of Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe and Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas to Camp Victory, site of the alleged abuse. The trials are set for April.

Keefe and Huertas are accused of trying to cover up after a third SEAL allegedly punched an Iraqi suspected in a 2004 ambush that killed four U.S. security contractors.

Prosecutors said they would not bring the detainee to Norfolk to testify. The judge ruled Keefe and Huertas have the right to face their accuser.

The three SEALs have received an outpouring of public support, including the backing of several members of Congress.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

NORFOLK, Va. (AP) , A Navy SEAL accused in the mistreatment of an Iraqi detainee will be tried in a U.S. military court in Iraq.

A military judge in Virginia on Monday set the court-martial of Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe for April 6 at Camp Victory, site of the alleged abuse.

Keefe and another SEAL are accused of trying to cover up after a third SEAL allegedly punched an Iraqi suspected in a 2004 ambush that killed four U.S. security contractors.

Prosecutors said they would not bring the detainee to Norfolk to testify. The judge ruled Keefe has the right to face his accuser and moved his trial. Keefe is from Yorktown, Va.

The three SEALs have received an outpouring of public support, including the backing of several members of Congress.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: campvictory; courtmartial; iraq; jonathankeefe; juliohuertas; navyseals; norfolk; oif

1 posted on 01/11/2010 2:22:48 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: 444Flyer

I am not understanding this at all....


2 posted on 01/11/2010 2:26:17 PM PST by dalebert
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To: 444Flyer

“40 Congressmen Call on Special Ops Commander to Dismiss Case Brought Against Navy SEALs”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2407667/posts

“SEALs arraigned in Norfolk as protesters rally in support”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2402803/posts

“Government Has Yet to Provide Evidence to Support Its Prosecution of Navy Seals”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2402782/posts

“A fat lip? Or a black eye for the DoD?”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2401209/posts

“New Ad Urges Public Support for Court-Martialed Navy SEALs - Video”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2400710/posts

“Clubbing Our Seals”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395650/posts

“HUMAN EVENTS Petition To Free the SEALs”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2405737/posts

“Free the Navy SEALs Now”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2405087/posts

“Cease and Desist The Prosecution of 3 Navy Seals - Petition”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2404481/post

“Navy SEALS May Go to Prison for Giving a Fat Lip to Islamic Terrorist”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2394743/posts

“Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393662/posts


3 posted on 01/11/2010 2:26:44 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: 444Flyer

Why, in God’s name, are they sending this trial to Iraq? This lunatic of a ‘commander-in-chief’ is killing the military, one way or another!


4 posted on 01/11/2010 2:29:09 PM PST by Bushbacker1 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: dalebert

It’s simple to understand. In the Obamanation, punch a scumbag terrorist during his arrest and get a kangaroo court in a foreign land far from reporters’ meddling. Kill Americans in a sneak attack and you get free legal counsel, a show trial in NYC, and all the state-run media sycophants you could possibly want.

In better times, Obama and his posse would have been called “traitors”, but today we just call them “democrats”.


5 posted on 01/11/2010 2:30:08 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: dalebert

“I am not understanding this at all....’

Probably because of witness availability.


6 posted on 01/11/2010 2:32:25 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: 444Flyer
A Navy Seal, deployed in a war approved by the U.S. Congress, is denied a U.S. trial while a non-citizen enemy combatant bomber (and KSM) get trials in the U.S. with defense attorneys?!

We got 'Change' alright.

7 posted on 01/11/2010 2:32:25 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: 444Flyer

Wonder how Rainbow Six would feel about this.

I’m also remembering an interesting book called “Without Remorse”.

I know it’s just fiction and all, but still...


8 posted on 01/11/2010 2:32:35 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The way I read it, their still getting a U.S. military trail, just in Iraq.


9 posted on 01/11/2010 2:35:08 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: 444Flyer
What a cunning mind our light skinned leader has. Get our warriors away from those many hued Civil Liberties Union lawyers.
10 posted on 01/11/2010 2:38:11 PM PST by Hans
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To: 444Flyer

SHAMEFUL! Hero’s fighting these animals put on trial while criminals run rampant in DC.


11 posted on 01/11/2010 2:39:38 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Leaders who refuse to lead will be lead by the people)
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To: dalebert
Are they trying to keep the spotlight off the Navy screw up of attempting to reprimand these SEALs for doing their job by moving it to Iraq? Surreal that the government is pursuing this at all considering the headlines of late and knowing that the terrorist making the claims against the SEALs slaughtered those American contractors and was running loose until our SEALS caught the animal.

Here is another article on it:

http://www.nctimes.com/news/national/article_a0293cf3-2660-5394-ad6b-068c314704cf.html

Check this out.

(snip)The SEALs have received an outpouring of support from people who consider them heroes for capturing Abed. Several members of Congress have asked that the charges be dropped, and more than 100,000 people have joined a Facebook page created to support the SEALs...”

(snip)”We were going to have to travel there to do the deposition anyway, but the government said the witness wasn't going to be available for trial,” Lombardi told The Associated Press...”

12 posted on 01/11/2010 2:39:40 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: RobRoy

‘Without Remorse’ is my 2nd favorite book behind only ‘Ender’s Game.’


13 posted on 01/11/2010 2:41:08 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: 444Flyer

im disgusted by the entire thing...im tired of our troops being treated like enemy


14 posted on 01/11/2010 2:41:52 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Servant of the Cross
A Navy Seal, deployed in a war approved by the U.S. Congress, is denied a U.S. trial while a non-citizen enemy combatant bomber (and KSM) get trials in the U.S. with defense attorneys?!

We got 'Change' alright.

Excellent point!

15 posted on 01/11/2010 2:41:57 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: 444Flyer
I just hope all the military folks are paying attention to how their CinC regards them...and when he tries "martial law" or a coup I hope they will remember these times.

Military is becoming just another obama commie takeover tool...used for his own amusement.
16 posted on 01/11/2010 2:43:08 PM PST by FrankR (There will be no jobs until it is profitable for employers to hire people....PERIOD.)
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To: thefactor

I was shocked at how good “ender’s game” was, even though I was anticipating what was actually going on way before the end. It was very enjoyable. And I was 50 when I read it! ;)

And I agree on the Clancy book as well. My favorite.


17 posted on 01/11/2010 2:44:13 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Bryanw92
In better times, Obama and his posse would have been called “traitors”, but today we just call them “democrats”.

You are far from the first to notice the similarities. See this thread on FR.

18 posted on 01/11/2010 2:45:09 PM PST by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: Bushbacker1

That appears to be the KENYAN VILLAGE IDIOT’S Objective! Thats for sure! How can One be punished for a punch, one stinkin punch thats only alleged, when You are capturingaliv e one of the most Horrifically Dangerous Murderers and Terrorists of all Times and an Enemy Non Uniformed Combatant as well! Its Obscene, Ludicrous, Anti-American,Anti-Military and a action that is clearly perpetrated by a Muslim Terrorist......


19 posted on 01/11/2010 2:51:29 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: 444Flyer
The three SEALs have received an outpouring of public support

Heck yeah!

Punch him again!



20 posted on 01/11/2010 2:51:56 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: 444Flyer

Our Navy Seal Heros made a big mistake! They should have blown the scumbag Terrorist to HELL! into a Zillion little pieces! Where is this so-called Administration of Zero’s taking Us? The World is either crying or laughing at Us now, but they sure dont respect nor Faer America anymore........Pathetic!! and Obscene!!


21 posted on 01/11/2010 2:56:12 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Bushbacker1

They don’t want Citizens protesting in Norfolk. Somebody in the Navy should have their ass kicked.


22 posted on 01/11/2010 3:04:51 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: Bushbacker1
Maybe that is his goal.
He so wants to discourage good men and women from serving under these conditions as well as keeping those of similar mind from enlisting so that in time he can have his Soldiers of Islam ( like the thugs who surround so called Minister Farrakhan) as his new military force which he will not use against real enemies but rather use against us the American public in Hugo Chavez style.
23 posted on 01/11/2010 3:19:00 PM PST by celtic gal (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Yup, should have killed the SOB. Problem solved.


24 posted on 01/11/2010 3:24:57 PM PST by refermech
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To: dalebert

I am hoping against hope that we have a military coup somewhere in the near future. When are we going to get rid of the political creeps and their hacks in the courts & make this a nation of honorable people again?


25 posted on 01/11/2010 3:32:22 PM PST by dumpthelibs (dumpthelibs)
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To: dalebert
I am not understanding this at all....

Isn't this what is called PC?

26 posted on 01/11/2010 3:34:22 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Jeff Chandler; All

So, picture if you can, a courtroom in Iraq with one of our Navy SEALs sitting there on trial with his defense team. Being made to appear like a criminal for removing one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq and putting him behind bars while the his own government who he bravely served and risked his life for in the line of duty attempts to make him out as an abuser of some sort. ~THIS IS COMPLETELY NUTS!~

Is the prosecution planning on bringing in this Jidadist murderer who participated in the maiming and butchering of those American contractors and allowing him on the stand? The contractors who had what remained of their bodies once this animal and his fellow terrorists were done with them burned and hung for all to see?! Does the prosecution actually plan to bring him in and try to make him appear like a ‘victim’?!!!

Maybe the reason they are having it in Iraq is because the terrorist will receive sympathy there as friggin’ sick as that is! WT!!!

If this doesn’t border on ‘Aiding and abetting the enemy’ by the government stooges leveling accusations at our SEALs, I don’t know what does.


27 posted on 01/11/2010 3:37:28 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: dalebert
I am not understanding this at all....

The SEALs' accuser is a terrorist undergoing trial in Iraq.

(1) The SEALs want to cross-examine the detainee who is their accuser, as is their right.

(2) The prosecution does not want to bring the detainee onto US soil, because that would jeopardize their action against him, since the instant he's on US soil, he could claim the protection of US law.

(3) By holding the court-martial in Iraq, the SEALs are still going to be tried under US military law, but will now get a chance to impeach the terrorist's testimony.

28 posted on 01/11/2010 3:42:05 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives; Saoirise; mojitojoe; HollyB; MestaMachine; Markos33; ~Kim4VRWC's~; ...

Ping.


29 posted on 01/11/2010 3:45:20 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: Servant of the Cross

Oh well said, I hadn’t thought of it like that, thanks!


30 posted on 01/11/2010 3:46:35 PM PST by exbrit
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To: 444Flyer

Talk about lambs to the slaughter...

Wonder how long before a guilty on all charges verdict is handed down just to keep raghead riots from starting?


31 posted on 01/11/2010 3:55:35 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: 444Flyer
"Prosecutors said they would not bring the detainee to Norfolk to testify. The judge ruled Keefe has the right to face his accuser and moved his trial."

IMO - This was precisely the reaction the prosecutors were hoping for by not bringing the detainee to Norfolk, to get this railroad job out from under the noses of the American people.
Out of sight, out of mind.

32 posted on 01/11/2010 4:51:38 PM PST by Semper Mark (Life is a series of sucker punches. Protect yourself at all times.)
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To: Markos33
I think so too Markos. Considering all the security breaches on the Obama administration's watch, it looks extra asinine to pursue any charges against the SEALs who caught this murdering Islamic terrorist. A murdering jihadist who will be made out to look like a sufferer by the prosecution.

And you're right, out of site out of mind. They are already trying to sweep this fiasco under the rug rather than just make it right and drop any and all charges against these SEALs.

33 posted on 01/11/2010 5:22:17 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: 444Flyer

So the government will have to pay to bring 60 people over to Baghdad to keep the terrorist there!?! To what lengths do we go to protect these scumbags?


34 posted on 01/11/2010 6:07:13 PM PST by montag813
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To: 444Flyer
Help run this ad to demand the charges be dropped...

www.SupportTheSEALs.com

35 posted on 01/11/2010 6:08:25 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

!!!


36 posted on 01/11/2010 6:12:01 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: 444Flyer

I think another poster was right - they don’t want it held in here in the US because of how many people will show up in support of our soldiers. These are our soldiers and we are trying them for a punch. What an insult.


37 posted on 01/11/2010 6:18:01 PM PST by HollyB
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To: Markos33
IMO - This was precisely the reaction the prosecutors were hoping for by not bringing the detainee to Norfolk, to get this railroad job out from under the noses of the American people. Out of sight, out of mind.

I'm not so sure. If I'm the defense, and my military jury pool is coming from the local population of officers and enlisted... getting a pool of combat hardened troops, in country, to pick from is more advantage to my side than the other.

I think these guys will be aquitted. That's why they opted for the full-boat Court Martial instead of a Captain's Mast, which they turned down. At least I hope so.

38 posted on 01/11/2010 6:18:15 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: HollyB

On Time, On Target, Never Quit!


39 posted on 01/11/2010 7:09:58 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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