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Racial Preferences by the Numbers (black = +310 SAT, Hispanic +130, Asian -140)
National Review ^ | November 30, 2009 | Robert VerBruggen

Posted on 01/11/2010 3:00:44 PM PST by reaganaut1

It’s hard to get a straight answer as to how pervasive racial preferences are. On the one hand, many academics say preferences hardly even exist — they’re just a tie-breaker that admissions officers use on rare occasions. On the other hand, the same academics often say preferences are crucial to diversity, and their elimination would wreak havoc on campuses nationwide. Perhaps nowhere has this bizarre contradiction been on starker display than in No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal — a book that manages, despite this contradiction, to shed light on various controversies in higher ed.

THE EXTENT OF PREFERENCES Using the National Study of College Experience (NSCE) — a collection of information from eight anonymous elite colleges — authors Thomas J. Espenshade and Alexandria Walton Radford are able to calculate various applicants’ odds of getting into a school. They discover some mildly interesting trends regarding social class (more on that later), but their results for race are truly stunning. After academic performance and demographic factors have been taken into account, black applicants are more than five times as likely as whites to be accepted at NSCE private schools, and 220 times as likely to be accepted at NSCE public schools. Asian applicants, meanwhile, are only about a third as likely as whites to get big envelopes from private institutions, and one-fifth as likely to gain admission to public ones.

Putting preferences in terms of test scores, at private schools, blacks get an advantage, compared to whites, worth 310 SAT points (out of 1600), Hispanics an advantage of 130, and Asians a disadvantage of 140. At public schools, the authors present the difference in ACT points: blacks 3.8 (out of 36), Hispanics 0.3, Asians –3.4.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; asians; bellcurve; blacks; college; collegeadmissions; hispanics; preferences; sat; whites
Institutions that discriminate on the basis of race should get Federal money -- including financial aid dollars.
1 posted on 01/11/2010 3:00:45 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

The less you expect the less you are going to get...

The more you expect the more you are going to get...

Why liberals can’t seem to fathom these simple “FACTS OF LIFE” and they are bonafide FACTS shows that very little was ever expected from them....


2 posted on 01/11/2010 3:06:54 PM PST by GraceG
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To: reaganaut1

There was a missing “not” in my comment.


3 posted on 01/11/2010 3:08:39 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

I thought so LOL


4 posted on 01/11/2010 3:14:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: reaganaut1

My son tried applying to colleges with his race checked off as Hispanic, perfectly acceptable since his mother is from Peru. We didn’t see any benefit at all. Perhaps it’s a combination of race and income that really gets the benefit.


5 posted on 01/11/2010 3:15:17 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: reaganaut1
“Institutions that discriminate on the basis of race should get Federal money — including financial aid dollars.”

Exactly.

And that policy should be retroactive 100 years and impose fines on all public universities that used race as a basis for admissions between 1910 and 1965.

6 posted on 01/11/2010 3:17:07 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: reaganaut1

310 points is a lot of points! That’s the effective SAT boost that black applicants get over whites.

There’s more—Asians are at a 140 point DISadvantage to whites. So, adding it up, Blacks get a 450 point SAT boost over Asians. And, this is while the SC has said that racial preferences are illegal.

As Orwell said, some animals are more equal than others.

I’m so glad BHO is the post-racial President. I’m turning blue holding my breath while I wait for him to fix this clear inequality.


7 posted on 01/11/2010 3:18:37 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: reaganaut1

Most institutions of “higher,” Oops, I meant “liberal” learning are socialist when it comes to ideology (but not salary). George Orwell had already recognized that socialist ideologies mean “some are more equal than others.”


8 posted on 01/11/2010 3:19:33 PM PST by dominic flandry
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To: reaganaut1

I’ll just tell all my white sons, “You’ve gotta work twice as hard and be twice as smart to get half as far. It’s your skin color. They can’t overlook it. It’s your burden to bear in this unfair world.”


9 posted on 01/11/2010 3:21:22 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: dominic flandry

You can’t have a culture that opts for Ebonics, says that correcting students’ grammar is “racist”(Florida), and has a low percentage of two-parent homes (so that the young join gangs
to find the missing family),

and expect that culture to produce a number of college graduates equivalent to that from, say, a proto-typical Asian culture, which stresses family and education.

So where’s the surprise?

It has nothing to do with racism, and fighting “racism” won’t fix the problem.

It has to do with fixing the culture; and in that, the minorities have been the architects of their own failures.


10 posted on 01/11/2010 3:22:58 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: reaganaut1
There was a missing “not” in my comment.

That form of speaking is used several times in a book I have from 1918. A lot of people think that it is modern, wasn't it very popular in the 1990s?

11 posted on 01/11/2010 3:23:54 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: reaganaut1

Those 130 points turn a Latina into a wise Latina apparently.


12 posted on 01/11/2010 3:24:35 PM PST by relictele
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To: reaganaut1

Diversity is nothing but Anti-White Racism....and I guess in the case of education...Anti-Asian Racism


13 posted on 01/11/2010 3:28:08 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (No Illegal Alien Amnesty.....Never)
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To: reaganaut1

I would be curious to find out if people with Jewish surnames are treated like Asians.

Mrs. Jewbacca applied to several graduate programs of equivalent selectivity.

Her maiden name is decidedly “Jewish.” My sur-name is rather amazingly generic French.

Mid-application process we married.

She was rejected to all (a sample of 3) where she used he maiden name and accepted to all (a sample of 4) where she used her married name.

All comprable schools; filled out within three weeks of another.

Coincidence, perhaps. But we always wondered.


14 posted on 01/11/2010 3:28:24 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: reaganaut1

It is also interesting to look at the home life these kids come from. Typically, in Asian homes, discipline for poor grades comes if the kid gets less than an “A.” In white homes, the acceptable grade is a “B.” In black homes, it is a “C.”

As one poster stated, it’s about expectations. And it all starts at home.


15 posted on 01/11/2010 3:36:22 PM PST by henkster (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: reaganaut1
blacks get an advantage, compared to whites, worth 310 SAT points (out of 1600),

That is pretty vague. What kind of Blacks are we talking about here? Light skinned or dark skinned? With Negro accents or without? Would Obama get 155 point advantage because he is only 50% Black? What about an African American Albino?

The government needs to pinpoint these inconsistancies.

/sarchasim

16 posted on 01/11/2010 3:38:29 PM PST by Michael.SF. (At least Hitler got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: relictele
Those 130 points turn a Latina into a wise Latina apparently.

And here in San Francisco government funds can be used to turn a Latino into a Latina.

17 posted on 01/11/2010 3:40:33 PM PST by Michael.SF. (At least Hitler got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: reaganaut1

They pay for it in sublte ways...

A black guy I knew went to a black doctor. He was pretty sick, but this black doctor was like a supermarket butcher...

Must have gotten into med school under affirmative action. Not sure if he knew an eye from an ear.


18 posted on 01/11/2010 3:40:36 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Maybe the Hispanic advantage only works if the surname looks Hispanic.


19 posted on 01/11/2010 3:45:22 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

You have to have the surname.

Only Hipanics with Hispanic daddies get the benefit.


20 posted on 01/11/2010 3:48:47 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: reaganaut1
The asinine practice of "race norming" for admissions falls flat in the classroom. The instructors aren't "race norming" the tests. Under-qualified students will have their asses handed to them. UCSD once reserved 5% of the admissions for such under-qualified minority admissions. The result was that 85% of those persons never graduated. The admissions slots were wasted as well qualified students were turned away to make room for the under qualified minorities.
21 posted on 01/11/2010 4:01:54 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: reaganaut1

One thing this should tell people is the following:

When selecting a doctor to cut you open for surgery, your preference should be the following (assuming no other data, like referrals, is available):

1) Asian
2) White
3) Hispanic
4) Black

Of course it’s possible that that a particular black surgeon could run circles around a peer group of whites and Asians - but it is not probable. And you sure as heck know that neither the Asians nor the Whites got ANY help in getting through medical school...instead they EARNED their licenses.

And this is a major factor when I select a doctor. My first choice is Jewish (Archie Bunker taught me that when he looked for a lawyer), then Asian (including Indian), then White.

As more people figure stuff like this out, more people will make choices based on the similar criteria to myself...something that the Democrats well understand and, to me, a big reason why they want to take over health care (i.e., so that their friends who snagged medical licenses can get some work - once choice of doctors is gone).

Sorry if I offend anyone, but it was not my idea to NOT have a colorblind society.


22 posted on 01/11/2010 4:07:25 PM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

It is a combination of race, whether or not either of your parents graduated from college, income and most important is the essay. They advise minority students to write an essay about how they over came some kind of adversity due to race. The essay is the most important factor.


23 posted on 01/11/2010 4:17:18 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: reaganaut1

ah, once again , Affirmative action and political correctness rears its ugly head to support America’s demise. So hard work and excellence takes a back seat to skin color, all for the sake of “diversity”. Now take a look at nations such as China, Japan, South Korea and Singapore. They would skoff at such preferences, instead their cultures are based on rewarding excellence, and only the best of the best get into the best universities and get the highest paying jobs.

They reward excellence. We strive for mediocrity, but all for diversity! who do you suppose will succeed best in the long run in technological advances and the world economy? How is America going to compete with our goal of mediocrity?

Depressing.


24 posted on 01/11/2010 4:20:15 PM PST by DecentAmerican
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To: GraceG

Lets see. “Liberals” will stand up for the Constitutional “right” of a communist to burn the flag, the “right” of one atheist to ban Christmas from public life, the “right” of same sex marriage, then support the State denying the rights of millions of Americans equal protection under the law because of their race.

Go figure.

It is obvious.

“Liberals” are morally bankrupt scum that are lower than whale poop at the bottom of the ocean.


25 posted on 01/11/2010 5:39:24 PM PST by Katoolie
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To: reaganaut1
The bottom line:
... if officials stopped considering race, they predict, minority enrollment would decline precipitously. If NSCE private schools eliminated both the black/Hispanic advantage and the Asian disadvantage, blacks would go from 8 to 3 percent of these colleges’ admittances, Hispanics from 8 to 5 percent, whites from 60 to 53 percent, and Asians from 24 to 39 percent.
Pretty amazing, if true.
26 posted on 01/11/2010 8:22:53 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Bon mots

I can’t wait to see the rich being forced to be treated by the “poor”. Busing to dumb college grads who voted for Obambi anyone?


27 posted on 01/11/2010 11:22:32 PM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: Bon mots
Must have gotten into med school under affirmative action. Not sure if he knew an eye from an ear.

Therein lies the real problem.

We can let the unqualified in upper-tier schools, and by the time they have reached college, the damage to the really bright students is minimal. But, you can't make the unqualified any smarter.

Best of all, really bright people are very good at assessing the intelligence of their peers. Affirmative action may gain someone a degree and a job, but when his peers understand the sham, he becomes sidetracked.

28 posted on 01/12/2010 7:54:26 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: reaganaut1
Priceless info.

If I were Asian I'd be pissed. Hmmm, I smell an opening in this reverse discrimination scenario...

29 posted on 01/12/2010 8:26:05 AM PST by TheThinker ( Reverend Wright obviously cheered on 9/11. Did Obama?)
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To: CondorFlight

The left will tell you that all the cultural problems are the _results_ of racism. That’s completely bogus, of course. Most “discrimination” and “racism” that blacks experience is DUE TO their culture, not the CAUSE OF their culture.


30 posted on 01/12/2010 8:30:13 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: reaganaut1
This is what I call R.I.D.

Reverse Institutional Discrimination

31 posted on 01/12/2010 11:05:02 PM PST by TheThinker ( Reverend Wright obviously cheered on 9/11. Did Obama?)
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