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Bill stems from Obama 'birther' controversy
eastvalleytribune.com ^ | January 12, 2010 | Howard Fischer

Posted on 01/12/2010 3:25:13 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper

If Barack Obama wants to run for re-election he would need to produce proof of both his U.S. birth and citizenship to get on the ballot in Arizona, at least under a measure being pushed by a state legislator.

Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, is crafting a measure to require anyone running for president or vice president to provide proof to the Arizona Secretary of State's Office that they are legally eligible to seek the office. The U.S. Constitution requires the president - and, by extension, the vice president - to be "a natural born citizen."

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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certifigate; eligibility
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1 posted on 01/12/2010 3:25:17 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Better late than never.


2 posted on 01/12/2010 3:26:55 PM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Star Traveler

Ping!


3 posted on 01/12/2010 3:27:56 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This should be a no brainer. All of the states should have such laws on the books. The theory is the states, not the popular vote, elects the president.


4 posted on 01/12/2010 3:28:15 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Berlin_Freeper

And this is the way to do it.


5 posted on 01/12/2010 3:28:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Churchillspirit

Arizona? In the interest of kissing butt McCain will come out and say the states doesn’t need it.


6 posted on 01/12/2010 3:29:35 PM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This is a great move, but they also need to require all presidential and VP candidates to also produce their college transcripts and full medical records.


7 posted on 01/12/2010 3:30:40 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

There’s already a law about it. He’ll just ignore this one, too.


8 posted on 01/12/2010 3:30:56 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Someone still has guts in this country. If JD Hayworth does not run against Juan McShame then maybe this lady will run or Sheriff Joe.


9 posted on 01/12/2010 3:31:49 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Vendome

Ahhh..., good news... Arizona tries it again. It was Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri before.

I still don’t know about Oklahoma this time around...


10 posted on 01/12/2010 3:32:49 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Wonderful.


11 posted on 01/12/2010 3:38:32 PM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! The real reason the left wants to disarm us is becoming clearer.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Very cool!!!


12 posted on 01/12/2010 3:39:15 PM PST by mgist
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To: LucyT

FYI


13 posted on 01/12/2010 3:40:25 PM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Star Traveler

A while back you said you set your computer to notify you “automatically” when new pings come in.

How do I do that?

Thanks.


14 posted on 01/12/2010 3:40:45 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Interesting, despite the whiners above.


15 posted on 01/12/2010 3:45:21 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Easy Enough to Counterfit !


16 posted on 01/12/2010 3:46:56 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Screaming in Agony they ran to the Government But then Realized from whence the Agony came !)
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To: FrdmLvr

“There’s already a law about it. He’ll just ignore this one, too.”

What law? The Constitution has no enforcement mechanism for Presidential eligibility. The Congress has the job by default because it counts the Electoral Votes.

This law, if well written, bypasses that and requires documentation to be submitted to the state.


17 posted on 01/12/2010 3:49:05 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Do’h, and we were just getting used to our foreign born anti-American leader...


18 posted on 01/12/2010 3:50:17 PM PST by veracious
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Make it retroactive.
19 posted on 01/12/2010 3:50:17 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Vendome
You were asking ...

How do I do that?

Where it has this across the top of your webpage (when on Free Republic)... to the right of the "Sign Out"... you'll see a little symbol there, just click on it... :-)

Free Republic | Forum | Account | Mail | Pings | Post | Sign Out

Or maybe THIS will do it...

20 posted on 01/12/2010 3:51:02 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


21 posted on 01/12/2010 3:52:19 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: Vendome

I got tired of it after a while, though, and don’t use it anymore... :-)


22 posted on 01/12/2010 3:52:47 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
anyone running for president or vice president to provide proof to the Arizona Secretary of State's Office that they are legally eligible to seek the office. The U.S. Constitution requires the president - and, by extension, the vice president - to be "a natural born citizen."

More to the point, Burges would require the secretary of state to verify, independently, that the information is accurate.

"And if it's not certifiable, then that person's name would not go on the ballot," she said.

Seems simple enough. The candidate provides a copy of his stamped, certified birth certificate to the Secretary of State who then verifies this information with the vital records office of the state that generated the birth certificate. Not quite sure how this will keep Obama off the ballot in 2012.

23 posted on 01/12/2010 4:09:13 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Has anyone seen the text of the law?

A proper law, if well written, would be neutral and apply to all public offices in the State of Arizona (or any other state).

Ideally, it would require that a candidate submit as part of the normally required paperwork to appear on the ballot one of the following sets of documents:

1. A certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a State, Federal District, Incorporated or Inincorporated Territory, or other entity of the United States showing:

Name at birth
Date of birth
Time of birth
Place of birth
Names of parents

2. A certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a foreign government or entity with the information required in option one, combined with a report of a US citizen born abroad issued by a US Consul and such other documentation issued at the time of birth as provided by the Congress regarding a birth of an American citizen outside the United States.

3. A certified copy of a birth certificate issued by the Territory of American Samoa with the information required in option one, combined with a certificate of naturalization issued as provided by the Congress for a naturalized citizen from American Samoa.

4. A certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a foreign government or entity with the information required in option one, combined with a certificate of naturalization issued as provided by the Congress for a naturalized citizen.


24 posted on 01/12/2010 4:23:23 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This is the winning approach to the issue. If adopted in even a handful of states, it would effectively force Obama and all other candidates to prove their constitutional eligibility before they get on the ballot. Best of all, the various legal doctrines that have frustrated federal court challenges do not apply in state court.


25 posted on 01/12/2010 4:25:25 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Manic_Episode

Cannot make it retroactive. Look at the 2000 election between Bush and Gore when the rats tried to change Florida state election laws after the election to benefit their recounting efforts. The Federal Supreme Court stepped in and overruled the Florida Supreme Court preventing them from making any such changes. So such a change would be very nice, it is impossible. What would be nice if the Federal Supreme Court would simply be interested in upholding the current laws on the U.S. Constitution.


26 posted on 01/12/2010 4:26:09 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: FrdmLvr
You were saying ...

There’s already a law about it. He’ll just ignore this one, too.

The reason why this kind of state law is being proposed (and it should be proposed and passed in several states, hopefully) -- is because people soon found out (if they didn't already know it) -- that there is no legal requirement for a Presidential Candidate to produce his birth certificate, in order to run.

Basically the way they've done it for a long time now (many candidates in the past) is to sign a statement swearing that they are qualified per the Constitution. That's what Obama did, which was just like the other candidates in the past.

So, Obama did not ignore the law to show his birth certificate to someone -- because there is no such law... :-)

27 posted on 01/12/2010 4:33:00 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Dryman
You were saying ...

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”

Get a state law passed and that will happen... :-)

28 posted on 01/12/2010 4:34:50 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Is that proof going to require documentary evidence that both parents were American citizens at the time of birth???


29 posted on 01/12/2010 4:38:15 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Drew68
You were saying ...

Seems simple enough. The candidate provides a copy of his stamped, certified birth certificate to the Secretary of State who then verifies this information with the vital records office of the state that generated the birth certificate. Not quite sure how this will keep Obama off the ballot in 2012.

Well, since the State of Hawaii has officially confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii, that sort of answers that question (of where he was born) for a lot of people who were questioning and doubting that.

So, for those people, who have already heard the official statement from the State of Hawaii that Obama was born there -- it won't help them. They already know that now.

I guess it will help those who may doubt it and want further "confirmation" from some printed and certified copy from the State of Hawaii to that effect. So, maybe that will satisfy that small segment who are holding out for a certified paper copy of the birth certificate to be delivered to someone to examine and then verify that indeed this is what the State of Hawaii did print and certify.

I just think it's a good idea for all candidates, whether it's Obama or the next candidate to come down the pike.

30 posted on 01/12/2010 4:39:15 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

It sounds like we better get you in touch with those legislators then... :-)


31 posted on 01/12/2010 4:40:53 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Rockingham
You were saying ...

This is the winning approach to the issue. If adopted in even a handful of states, it would effectively force Obama and all other candidates to prove their constitutional eligibility before they get on the ballot. Best of all, the various legal doctrines that have frustrated federal court challenges do not apply in state court.

That's exactly right, it will do the job and do it for anyone, whether it's Obama or the next candidate to come down the pike.

But, don't expect the ones who are of the "Obama Derangement Syndrome" to even support this kind of state law, as what I've heard directly from a few of them -- is that this is a "diversion" from their efforts to force Obama to show his birth certificate and that it's a Democrat trick to get them "off track" of what they are doing.

No..., really..., I've basically had a few tell me that, along with the fact that when I've proposed this very thing, that I was from the DU, sent over here to "sidetrack" those who want to get rid of Obama.

There's a lot of opposition to this kind of thing (i.e., a state law) -- or, at least, there has been in the past. I don't know if many of the Obama Derangement Syndrome people are still opposing it like they were right after the election... when I was proposing it.

32 posted on 01/12/2010 4:45:05 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Manic_Episode

Can’t be done... sorry...


33 posted on 01/12/2010 4:45:47 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Uncle Chip
You were saying ...

Is that proof going to require documentary evidence that both parents were American citizens at the time of birth???

That understanding, that you're presenting here, is disputed among conservatives and others, as to whether that is a requirement. You may think so, but others think not.

As far as I can see, this kind of requirement that is spoken about here on Free Republic with a few Freepers maintaining that this is so -- is only going to be resolved by a Supreme Court decision.

You're not going to find any legislature that will pass that kind of specific requirement into law -- but -- you will find that state legislatures will have a relatively easy time of passing a law that requires a birth certificate to be shown or else the candidate cannot be on the ballot.

34 posted on 01/12/2010 4:48:55 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Well, the barn door is open and the first horse is long gone. But, this might help in the future.

It’s time to take back the country. Another 49 states doing this same thing would be a great start.


35 posted on 01/12/2010 5:03:04 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: castlegreyskull; Star Traveler
Just wishfully thinking.
36 posted on 01/12/2010 5:05:41 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Ok, so what happens if a few states pass a law like this and Obama or whomever is running and don’t comply. Their are no votes allowed for Obama or whomever as they wont be on the ballot?

I wonder about any write in’s? Talk about voter disenfranchisement....sheesh.

And if a candidate wins w/o those states’ votes?

And of course the SCOTUS would need to rule on this ASAP...like well before any primary/general election.

Sure, I think their needs to be a way to check a candidates credentials, but this seems like a difficult way to get there.


37 posted on 01/12/2010 5:19:16 PM PST by crazyshrink (Barack Hussein Obama...... "The Rush to Communism")
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To: Uncle Chip
Is that proof going to require documentary evidence that both parents were American citizens at the time of birth???

Probably not since:

A. Parents' citizenship at time of birth is irrelevant to the eligibility of an American-born candidate and...

B. How would a candidate go about proving the citizenship status of his parents? Would a candidate have to submit his parents' birth certificates as well? His parents' naturalization paperwork? What if the candidates parents are deceased? File a FOIA request with USCIS?

Anyways, it's a moot point. See A. above.

38 posted on 01/12/2010 5:21:00 PM PST by Drew68
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To: LucyT

ping


39 posted on 01/12/2010 5:27:42 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Manic_Episode

The problem with wishful thinking is the rats use it as law.


40 posted on 01/12/2010 5:34:57 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Has anyone seen the text of the law?

No, the bill hasn't even been written yet.

41 posted on 01/12/2010 5:50:51 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I think the State Eligibility Law is a mistake.

The only likely successor to an Obama term is one of Osama’s sons taking over as Prez of the USA.

Let’s face it, who better to understand terrorism then the son of a terrorist.

It’s a Win Win... and a logical succession to Obama.

The State Law could prevent this and should be avoided.

As of this writing, Nancy Pelosi is working on notorizing the Osama Jr. eligibility doc.

(sarc)


42 posted on 01/12/2010 6:06:06 PM PST by GregTM
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To: trumandogz

I respectfully disagree. If we truly believe in the Constitution we should be satisfied with the requirements in the Constitution. College transcripts and medical records are not required by the Constitution. Even candidates have a right to privacy. Plus, I would not want to exclude people who have not gone to college from running for President.


43 posted on 01/12/2010 6:08:36 PM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: trumandogz
This is a great move, but they also need to require all presidential and VP candidates to also produce their college transcripts and full medical records.

No Constitutional justification for it.

44 posted on 01/12/2010 6:09:29 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Star Traveler

The Constitution isn’t a law? I wonder how many Constitutional violations he’s made.


45 posted on 01/12/2010 6:09:49 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: Drew68
Parents' citizenship at time of birth is irrelevant to the eligibility of an American-born candidate

Not according to the definition of "natural born citizen" by Justice Marshall in the Venus decision of 1814, history of qualifications of American Presidents, and the Senate's own SR511.

46 posted on 01/12/2010 6:36:11 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Star Traveler
You're not going to find any legislature that will pass that kind of specific requirement into law

Then all of those legislatures will just be engaging in a waste of time.

47 posted on 01/12/2010 6:39:22 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

All you would need is one state to demand the long form of the birth certificate and you’d have all the proof you would need. If he didn’t produce it for Arizona, the rest of the states would see what a fraud he was and the jig would be up.


48 posted on 01/12/2010 7:03:24 PM PST by shortstop (Marco Rubio in 2010/General Petraeus in 2012.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Not according to the definition of "natural born citizen" by Justice Marshall in the Venus decision of 1814, history of qualifications of American Presidents, and the Senate's own SR511.

I disagree and I'm certain the Supreme Court does as well. Nonetheless, you didn't answer my question. What method shall the candidate use to prove to the Arizona Secretary of State that his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth?

49 posted on 01/12/2010 7:18:43 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Just A Nobody; LucyT; bgill; Whenifhow; malkee; STE=Q; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; ...

Ping..............

Would 0b0z0 dare run for reelection? If he does, I have a suggestion:

We find somebody who’s a naturalized American citizen, foreign accent and all that throws his hat into the ring in ‘12.

That application will be thrown out for obvious reasons. A lawsuit demanding all candidates to prove beyond any doubt that they are NBC!! Otherwise, it’s discrimination, plain and simple.

I would love to see the look on 0b0z0’s face, would he run or run away? We could see some of his ghostly records!

Your friendly Ghoster


50 posted on 01/12/2010 7:36:52 PM PST by melancholy (Stop USA change, destroy the 0b0z0ne layer!)
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