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To: Drew68
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But let's not kid ourselves. The folks behind this want a law drafted so narrowly that Obama can't comply. That's where they'll say, "Gotcha! Not eligible!" It's the second part of the proposed law, the Berg-inspired act of placing the Secretary of State in the position of determining whether "individual circumstances" of a candidate's life disqualify him from being on the ballot that was thought up specifically to target Obama.

Hmmmm..., I don't know...

For me, it's just about getting "documentation" that shows the relevant facts. Once you have the facts, then the rest of it speaks for itself. I'm not talking about someone making an "off-the-cuff" decision about someone being "qualified" -- with the word "qualilfy" being some vague or indeterminate concept.... not at all.

I'm talking about, very simply, using the demand for a birth certificate to supply facts which would allow anyone to see whether the three requirements of the Constitution were met (or rather, age and birthplace, but living in the country for 14 years or more would have to be by other means).

The documentation of the birth certificate would merely be supplying facts (from that birth certificate) which answers questions regarding two of the three requirements of the Constitution.

You're making it sound like someone is going to be endowed with some kind of "powers" for making some evaluation of some indeterminate "qualifications". I'm not talking about that.

I'm only talking about that if someone does not comply with supplying the birth certificate, then they cannot be on the ballot -- in the same way that if someone does not meet the filing date for the candidacy, they cannot be on the ballot. It's primarily for "getting the facts" which are on the birth certificate. The "qualifications" will speak for themselves, after those facts are make open and clear.


I can see clearly what's going to happen. Birthers will get behind new election laws written specifically in reaction to Obama's perceived eligibility issues. Of course, none of these laws will be applied retroactively but they'll be used by Democrats to destroy the candidacy of otherwise outstanding conservatives. And then the Obama Derangement Syndrome crowd will be crying, "B-b-but these laws were supposed to be written for the Kenyan Usurper! Not our guy!"

No..., that's not how I'm seeing it. I mean by that, if a conservative refuses to supply his birth certificate, then he cannot be on the ballot either. It doesn't just apply to Obama. It applies to all candidates. I think it should apply to all candidates, whether conservative or liberal or whatever.

So, no..., I don't see something as applying only to Obama. But, it would require Obama to do what he hasn't done. And it would require a conservative to do what they have not had to do in the past, either.

112 posted on 01/13/2010 6:18:59 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
You're making it sound like someone is going to be endowed with some kind of "powers" for making some evaluation of some indeterminate "qualifications". I'm not talking about that.

Per the article, the law that Rep. Burges wishes to enact will go beyond simply providing a verifiable birth certificate. It would ask the Sec. of State to look at individual circumstances of a candidate's life and make a decision if a candidate is qualified irrespective of the information provided on their BC.

It's really a moot point right now as the actual law itself hasn't yet been written.

I think I got sidetracked in this conversation with you talking about a reasonable proposition that's different from Rep. Burges' more stringent one.

113 posted on 01/13/2010 6:50:32 PM PST by Drew68
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