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Here's a Label: "Stupid" (Stossel on WA State Dem who wants to change legal language on poor kids)
Fox Business ^ | January 13, 2009 | John Stossel

Posted on 01/13/2010 5:04:08 AM PST by Stoat

Here's a Label: "Stupid"

Depression

 

Labels change over time to ensure no delicate sensitivities are bruised. That's what happened with the word "poor," as in "poor children." Poor children became "disadvantaged." They didn’t get any extra money for that, unfortunately. Now, they're "at-risk." That's not enough, say some members of the language police.

People like Washington State Democratic State Sen. Rosa Franklin, who says "We really put too many negatives on our kids... We need to come up with positive terms." Her solution? Call the kids "at hope."

Since Franklin is a politician, she wants to impose her whims on everyone else. Franklin wants the 54 places in Washington State law where words like "at risk" and "disadvantaged" are used to be rewritten.

At least one representative is putting up some resistance:

Republican Rep. Glenn Anderson disagrees, saying the potential cost of getting the bill from idea to printing — an average of $3,500 — is too much. And besides, he says, he is insulted more by the idea of the bill than what he called the political correctness it represents.

"It's not the label, it's the people who show up to help (children) that make the difference," he says. "What helps is a smart, well structured program."

Nice try, but apparently not good enough. Politically correct language with no substance scratches liberals where they itch:

The bill has gotten a warm welcome among fellow lawmakers, state officials and advocacy groups...

"At least we'll hear the voices of the young people," said Democratic Sen. Rosemary McAuliffe, who promised the bill would get a hearing.

Wally Endicott, the northwest director of the Phoenix-based Children of Hope, says he was excited to talk to Franklin about the bill.

But he is not thrilled with the idea of using "children at hope" to refer just to the disadvantaged. His group uses the concept to talk about all kids, not just those in poverty, because all children have obstacles to their success.

Renaming all kids “children at hope” rates a label of its own: "Stupid."




 


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: childrenathope; johnstossel; liberals; rosafranklin; stossel; washington; washingtonstate
It's so nice to know that every aspect of life that is under Government oversight in Washington State is working so very well that the elected Officials have the free time and surplus money to spend on something like this.

Oh, wait......

1 posted on 01/13/2010 5:04:12 AM PST by Stoat
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To: sionnsar; Slings and Arrows

“Children at hope” Washington ping.

“sigh”


2 posted on 01/13/2010 5:05:20 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

How about “hopeless children.”


3 posted on 01/13/2010 5:08:59 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: goldi

lmao


4 posted on 01/13/2010 5:10:08 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

“Children at hope”

I wonder when the children who are TRUE victims of murder (abortion) will be called “children of hope”? Because their lives were TAKEN AWAY from them, does that make them any less important?


5 posted on 01/13/2010 5:11:00 AM PST by GWMcClintock ("When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?" Ps.11:3)
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To: goldi

ha!


6 posted on 01/13/2010 5:11:34 AM PST by Muzzle_em (Golden retrievers are really angels in disguise.)
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To: GWMcClintock

Well, you know the answer to that one. To the child-murdering Left, if a woman wants to abort her baby...err, excuse me, “mass of unviable tissue matter” then such ‘tissues’ have no relevance unto themselves. It’s all about a Leftist woman’s ‘choice’, after all. (and convenience, and depravity, and immorality and.....)


7 posted on 01/13/2010 5:15:15 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

My kids are “at risk”.
They are at risk of having any hope for a prosperous life and future thanks to the nitwits in D.C.


8 posted on 01/13/2010 5:19:52 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (Google "Cloward-Piven")
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To: Stoat

Now, if I were a true believing leftist,
would I actually believe that changing what these children are called would improve their situation?


9 posted on 01/13/2010 5:21:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: All
Sen. Rosa Franklin - Washington State Senate Democrats

 

Contacting Sen. Franklin

By Phone:

Olympia Office: (360) 786-7656
Legislative Hotline: 1-800-562-6000

By e-mail: franklin.rosa@leg.wa.gov

 

By Postal Mail:

Sen. Rosa Franklin
PO Box 40429
Olympia, WA 98504-0429

For Communications Inquiries:

Rick Manugian, Senate Democrats Communications Specialist
(360) 786-7569 or manugian.rick@leg.wa.gov

Staff Contact:

Annette Swillie, Legislative Assistant
(360) 786-7656 or Swillie.Annette@leg.wa.gov


10 posted on 01/13/2010 5:23:55 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: ozark hilljilly

“My kids are “at risk”.
They are at risk of having any hope for a prosperous life and future thanks to the nitwits in D.C.”

My 17 year old daughter says she doesn’t want to pay for this mess. How come she gets it that we are mortgaging the future of our kids and the idiots in the state and federal gov’t don’t? Rhetorial question....


11 posted on 01/13/2010 5:27:49 AM PST by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: ozark hilljilly
My kids are “at risk”.
They are at risk of having any hope for a prosperous life and future thanks to the nitwits in D.C.

I would wish to politely disagree on the grounds that because you are a FReeper and as such you are sane and considerably more intelligent than the mind-numbed sheep in this country, your kids will have a much greater chance of escaping much of the devastation that the Left intends to wreak upon this nation.  :-)

12 posted on 01/13/2010 5:28:26 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat
because all children have obstacles to their success.

And this is a new thing because in the past, children had no such obstacles.

Insanity reigns!

13 posted on 01/13/2010 5:30:06 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Get lost, Mitt. You're the Eddie Haskell of the Republican party." (Finny))
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To: MrB
Now, if I were a true believing leftist,
would I actually believe that changing what these children are called would improve their situation?

Well, if you were a true believing Leftist you would believe in obvious untruths such as "America is inherently Evil", "Karl Marx really had it going on" and "Everyone else should pay my way", so my guess would be yes, at that point your mind would be so corrupted that you could believe most anything the Dems told you.

 

14 posted on 01/13/2010 5:34:16 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Graybeard58
because all children have obstacles to their success.

And this is a new thing because in the past, children had no such obstacles.

Insanity reigns!
 

Nutburger Utopian Socialism reigns

Fixed it for you ;-)

15 posted on 01/13/2010 5:38:49 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

It’s hard to imagine what the world would look like through the lens of lies that liberals look through every day.

I liken it to CS Lewis writing “The Screwtape Letters” - he said it was so psychologically exhausting that he had to eschew a sequel.


16 posted on 01/13/2010 5:38:49 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Stoat
We need to come up with positive terms." Her solution? Call the kids "at hope."

Oh, Pu-LEZE! Slapping a 'progressive' label on anyone doesn't change a thing, but to Democrats, eradicating negativity is the method they use to keep everyone exactly where they are.

Why work if your needs are met? Why try to better yourself if your surrounded by positive attitudes?

The simple fact is that adversity shapes character, but there's no need to put any effort out to change your condition if the world is already full of sunshine and rainbows.

17 posted on 01/13/2010 5:44:15 AM PST by MamaTexan (All men were Created equal, but government has no mandate to KEEP everyone that way!)
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To: MrB
It’s hard to imagine what the world would look like through the lens of lies that liberals look through every day.

I think that it was Rush who has said several times that being a liberal is the easiest thing in the world....nothing is your fault, you aren't responsible for anything, you never have to say you're sorry and as long as you say that you care and pay for things with other people's money in the name of 'caring', then you can view yourself as having the moral high ground.

It's Conservatism that is the difficult path, as it requires personal responsibility, a dedication to 'actually' doing the right thing and a sense of Patriotism and an interest in the Constitution and human history.  It takes effort and time to learn true History and to understand what works and what doesn't....far more effort than simply doing things because they feel good and sound good i.e. the liberal way.

18 posted on 01/13/2010 5:52:21 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

Read Genesis 3:4-5, and you’ll see the basis of liberalism.

No consequences. You’ll be smart enough to be your own god, accountable to none, and you may decide right and wrong for yourself.


19 posted on 01/13/2010 5:54:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MamaTexan
The simple fact is that adversity shapes character, but there's no need to put any effort out to change your condition if the world is already full of sunshine and rainbows.

Indeed, and this is all part of the plan.  If children can be reared in the liberal Gulag to be utterly unable to deal with reality because they have been so mollycoddled in their formative years, the Left will have spawned unending generations of Leftist voters because they will have no one else to turn to but a Government that promises cradle-to-grave hand-holding.

A self-perpetuating Soviet Hell.

20 posted on 01/13/2010 5:57:15 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

Newspeak doubleplusgood.


21 posted on 01/13/2010 6:02:02 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Refugee from the World of Doomed Olsens)
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To: Stoat

They should just right to the heart of the matter and call them “Victims of evil right-wing Republicans.”


22 posted on 01/13/2010 6:03:18 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Stoat
Not to be confused with A Child from Hope:


23 posted on 01/13/2010 6:04:21 AM PST by paudio (Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
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To: MrB

Of course you would, MrB. You have to BELIEVE! And ignore all the tangible empirical evidence right before your very eyes like you do with “global warming” and macroeconomic policies.


24 posted on 01/13/2010 6:05:02 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Stoat

I accept your disagreement. : ) S’ok. I appreciate the optimism.
I would hope the best for them with what few smarts I and my D.H. have passed on to them, but there is no denying that their lives will be more difficult and more controlled and more costly than ours if these morons aren’t stopped.

I have one that will be able to vote in 2012 for the first time and they are p*ssed at what they are seeing. They will not be slaves to the govt. Yes, they may “escape” the devastation...but their road WILL be much, much tougher and frustrating than ours. And that angers me. True, hardship is good for character, but it’s like I’m seeing any hope for a half way good life for them just evaporating each day for their future void of a controlling overbearing nanny state and nosy busy bodies.

Oh, yeah and I am a ‘glass is half empty’ kinda person, now. Didn’t used to be.


25 posted on 01/13/2010 6:06:31 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (Google "Cloward-Piven")
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To: Stoat
... because all children have obstacles to their success.

The single biggest obstacle is being born to crappy parents. Democrats should simply legislate that all kids can choose their parents.

26 posted on 01/13/2010 6:07:30 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Stoat

27 posted on 01/13/2010 6:08:30 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Stoat

It is actually pretty easy to figure out what poor children need. They need what they are *not* getting at home, experiences that are *complementary* to what they know, not just more of the same.

And, in all fairness, this is what other children need as well, complimentary experiences that they are sent to school to learn. But those experiences differ considerably between poor children and those with greater family wealth. Pretending their needs are the same does both an injustice.

While all children need this list of things, poor children are less likely to get them at home, and *need* these things to achieve in life.

Discipline, a sense of order and rationality. This includes many things, from school uniforms, to “reality based curriculum”, objective evaluation, a strong sense of competitiveness, strict classroom discipline, frequent hygiene and safety instruction, drug and alcohol avoidance, trade craft instruction and apprenticeship, home economics, and finance.

Of course there is considerable overlap with children from middle class and wealthier families. But the poor children’s big emphasis is that they can become economically self-sufficient in their lives, as this will give them and their family the greatest number of other opportunities. Giving them the tools for economic success.

Children from wealthier families also need these things at first, in that they likely have some gaps in their instruction, but the majority of these students have already learned it, and better, at home, so for them it is a waste of their learning time.

Having a firmer foundation in discipline, a sense of order and rationality, they need to have these tested, not by disputing the basic value of these things, but by showing how reality can upset order and reason. Because they will likely face challenges in the undisciplined, disorderly, and irrational that they will have to overcome in the future.

Without such complementary learning, they are often hypnotized by theories and deceived by abstracts, which can be very, very bad.

For example, on paper, communism seems to be orderly. This is how it intellectually traps those who have not learned how it utterly fails in reality. And how such failure can be horrific.

And people like Al Gore are befuddled by abstracts, interpolating and extrapolating them far beyond reason. In his case, “CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The level of CO2 is increasing. Therefore we are all going to die!” Very bad reasoning, based on an oversimplified abstract applied to an extraordinarily complex and not well understood planetary system.

As part of their instruction, middle and upper class children need to be confronted by subjective and judgmental situations, paradoxes, irrationality, disorder, insufficiency, and the true unknown, which can be quite unsettling.

Likewise, some degree of this will happen as well in the instruction of the poor children, and they too will have to adapt and overcome any number of obstacles. But their priority will be “first, do the work and get paid, and then do the crossword puzzle.”


28 posted on 01/13/2010 6:09:59 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: MrB
Read Genesis 3:4-5, and you’ll see the basis of liberalism.

No consequences. You’ll be smart enough to be your own god, accountable to none, and you may decide right and wrong for yourself.

Genesis 34 (King James Version) Forerunner Commentary Bible Tools

3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Going to the above site and clicking on the Scripture links brings up a commentary that many may find interesting and I believe that it supports your contention.

29 posted on 01/13/2010 6:12:28 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

The stigma should not be removed from being poor. That removes incentive to remove yourself from poverty.


30 posted on 01/13/2010 6:12:49 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Stoat

Good commentaries, though the first one was based on annihilationism, which I don’t believe in.


31 posted on 01/13/2010 6:19:50 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Stoat
Maybe its just me but it seems that all this idiocy comes from Female Politicians, and all Democrats. From carp like 'a kinder, gentler, military' (Hillary), to loony new-speak definitions like 'at hope' children from this loon in Washington.
32 posted on 01/13/2010 7:12:24 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: matt1234; Bosun; washingtoncon; Pavegunner72; cherry; aw93472; WeatherGuy; CBF; x_plus_one; ...
Thanks to Stoat for the ping.

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Quick link: WA State Board

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.
Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

33 posted on 01/13/2010 8:14:11 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: All

You may commence with the Washington state bashing - it’s obvious that we deserve it for electing such imbeciles!


34 posted on 01/13/2010 8:35:32 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Stoat

It is this idiot liberal’s fault that these kids are “stoopid” and I hold her responsible for all the “stoopidity” ever done in the name of the “stoopid.”


35 posted on 01/13/2010 8:53:35 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: junta

Government at Stupid.

Hope in one hand and crap in the other. What have you got?


36 posted on 01/13/2010 11:03:00 AM PST by beelzepug (This administration is a tagline-rich environment.)
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To: Stoat

John Stossel is always spot on.


37 posted on 01/13/2010 2:36:32 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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