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Truths We Dare Not Speak. Five propositions that simply have become taboo [Victor Davis Hanson]
pajamasmedia.com ^ | January 13th, 2010 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/14/2010 7:15:09 AM PST by Tolik

There are a number of things we simply no longer talk about. The silence is partly due to intellectual laziness. Or maybe it is because of political correctness—or even attributable to ignorance and the absence of curiosity.

In no particular order, I list five propositions that simply have become taboo.

1). Illegal Immigration and California.

There are dozens of recent exposés on the California mess. The “I accuse” themes—all quite accurate—are well known.

 (a) The state propositions have hamstrung the legislature, and resulted in almost no free choices anymore in budgetary decision.

(b) The legislature—due to partisan gerrymandering, the unnecessarily large number of legislators in an unnecessary bicameral system, and term-limits—is inexperienced, captive to special interests, and increasingly incompetent.

(c) State employees have taken over the state: they are paid far above the national average, not accountable, and almost impossible to fire when found to be incompetent. The state pension system is unsustainable. Pay cuts, lay-offs, or furloughs loom.

(d) The nation’s highest income, sales, and gas taxes have driven out the most productive residents—to the tune of 3,500 a week—to no-tax or little-tax neighboring states.

OK— agreed, and I have written all that myself in various articles. But there is another problem never raised in polite company.

California, by most estimates, has somewhere between 40-50% of the nation’s illegal immigrants. That may mean 5-7 million residents here illegally, most without English, documentation, or high-school diplomas. This makes the practice of assimilation into the middle-class a multigenerational process over decades, rather than in the past, when immigrants came in fewer numbers and more often legally.

The state ranks 47-48th  in most studies of the achievement levels of the nation’s schools, mostly due to millions of entering students who do not speak English well, if at all.

Of the some $50 billion in remittances that leave the U.S. each year to Latin America, perhaps $20 billion come from California residents, draining the state of capital, and ensuring that the donors will be in need of state health, education, housing and food supplements. California’s taxpayers, in essence, subsidize Oaxaca and Jalisco—that may be humanitarian, and worthy of praise, but it is costly nonetheless, and perhaps beyond the financial resources of the majority of the population.

 I’ll pass on increased per capita rates of crime, gangs, etc. that are considered too illiberal to mention. But if studies are correct that anyone who comes north, without English, legality, and education, over his life-cycle will have to draw somewhere between $50,000 and $70,000 more in entitlements than he contributes in various taxes, and if we were to prorate that on an annual basis, and if we were to multiply that by several million, then one can envision an annual outlay of several billion in state expenditures.  

Instead, illegal immigration is never much cited as a contributor to California’s fiscal implosion. To mention all this is considered racist. Yet, to take one instance, the cost of incarcerating the state’s illegal aliens alone exceeds the budget of the new UC Merced, a campus intended to serve mostly minority communities of the central valley.

The solution? Allow only legal immigration. Base admittance to the U.S. mostly on skills and our own need for expertise and capital. Trust in merit, and ignore the race and origin of the would-be immigrant.

 

2) Iraq.

We are tired of Iraq and have Trotskyized it out of our existence, given the huge cost and 4,000 dead.

But consider: not a single America died in Iraq in December (38 murdered in Chicago during that period); three have been lost this month (24 murdered so far this month in Chicago).

Some random thoughts. The surge was a brilliant success.

The heroes are relatively ignored. They are U.S. forces who served in Iraq, of course; Gens. Odierno and Petraeus (recall what he endured from Hillary Clinton and moveon.org in his Senate inquisition); civilian analysts like Fred Kagan and retired Gen. Keane; and, of course, a demonized George Bush—attacked by most of his former supporters, the majority of pundits and columnists, those Democrats who had voted to authorize the war, many of the Iraq Study Group members; and by a cadre of retired “revolt of the generals” officers.

Yet for some reason, very few senators (cf. the You Tube videos of the debates of October 11-12, 2002) who gave impassioned pleas, authorizing 23 writs to go to war, have ever quite explained why they flipped—and what they think now of both their original support, and their subsequent opposition.

A Harry Reid (“the war is lost”) or Barack Obama (out of Iraq by March 2008 and the surge “is not working”) have never subsequently suggested that they were wrong at a time when our troops desperately were trying against all odds to save the fragile country.

Nor has anyone questioned the conventional dogma that Iraq empowered Iran, supposedly by removing the demonic Saddam. (Yet consider the liberal logic: we were wrong to remove a monster because he was a useful balance-of-power monster [ignore the genocide of the Kurds, Marsh Arabs, etc];  yet we deplore prior administrations for giving the same monster some aid in his war against Iran.)

In fact, mass demonstrations and unrest now take place in an isolated Iran, not so much in a democratic Iraq. The latter is proving more destabilizing by its open broadcasting and word of mouth freedom to Iran than Iran is to Iraq by its savage use of terrorism. (What will happen to conventional wisdom, if there comes a day when Iran is constitutional, along with Iraq and Lebanon?)

No one has officially said they were wrong in alleging “No Blood for Oil.” But we got no oil from Iraq. The price rose after we invaded. The Chinese, Russians, and Europeans got the contracts in free and fair bidding.

(Contrast Saddam’s rigged pre-war, quid-pro-quo oil concessions to the corrupt French). There was no Halliburton conspiracy to steal resources. The left often now, mirabile dictu, accuses us of being naïve in bleeding to give others the resources that they once accused us of wishing to steal. Barack Obama still talks of Iraq as a mistake, even as he quietly ignores his own prescriptions to have gotten out by early 2008, and to have stopped the surge—and continues to follow the Petraeus/Bush plan.

 

3) Affirmative Action.

The concept was noble, but now antiquated and mostly absurd. It requires the logic of the Old Confederacy to determine racial purity among the intermarried citizenry. Jet-black Punjabis get no preferences. Light-skinned Mexican-Americans of the fourth-generation claim privilege. Poor whites from Tulare don’t rank. The children of black dentists do. I see very little logic here.

Asians? We both claim them as minorities, and yet we discriminate against them at the University of California admissions process on the basis of their own superior achievement. (Apparently, the deplorable record of discrimination against Asians is now deemed irrelevant due to the community’s own success. Ponder the ramifications of that for a bit: should Asians have been struggling at UC, they would be considered suffering from the legacy of oppression; since they are excelling, they need to be quietly discriminated against).

As far as I can tell, here is the logic of this Byzantine system: Affirmative action in the 21st century has no logical basis in skin color, actual discrimination, poverty, class, or need. It is predicated on two archaic thoughts: previously discriminated against American minorities shall be defined as only Hispanic, Blacks, and Asians, and thus their children shall receive privilege for decades. BUT that new discrimination will not apply if such minorities on their own have prospered and are successful. (Why that would be so in some cases is again a taboo question).

So, Japanese-Americans, whose parents were put in camps, don’t quite qualify any more for compensation seemingly because they are successful and are thus “over-represented” in the racial spoils system. But Chilean and Brazilian immigrants do—if they can fraudulently piggy-back upon the Mexican-American experience by virtue of a shared language and last names.

If one is of mixed race, nomenclature trumps all. Bob Wilson, the son of a Mexican-American mother, is liable to get nothing, Roberto Martinez will get quite a lot, if the son of a Mexican-American (or any Spanish-speaking) father. A Barry Soetoro is of mere pedestrian mixed ancestry; Barack Obama is not merely black, but exotically so.

In short, the system is corrupt. In our society of intermarriage, immigration and mixed ancestry, we cannot any longer determine who is and who is not a certified “minority” (cf. the con of mostly white candidates claiming some sort of Native American ancestry).

Class and need are no longer connected with race. Hyphenation only creates cynicism and enhances a professional class of grievance mongers in journalism, politics, academia, and the arts (yet somehow we quietly and unofficially drop affirmative action dictates when it comes to 747 pilots, brain surgeons, or nuclear power plant engineers. [No one sues to disregard competency exams for air-traffic-controllers solely on the basis of undesirable racial results]).

So what is left of affirmative action? Cynicism. Mostly it is an easy way for elite whites and Asians to feel good about themselves by helping the “other”—usually at someone else’s expense (cf. the lower-class white applicant from Tulare who is rejected with equal or superior qualifications, without the resources and preparations of the wealthy and connected.) It provides psychological alleviation of guilt, without the  need to be tutoring in the ghetto, sending your kids to a mostly Hispanic school, or living among the lower classes. In that sense, the construction of Barack Obama, the former Barry Soetoro, and his apotheosis by elite whites, is again an unintended paradigm of the times.

For those who find the above illiberal, I’m sorry, but after twenty-one years as a professor I have never quite seen any American institution so corrupt, unfair, and cynical as the practice of affirmative action.

 

4) The Ivy League is a Naked Emperor.

By Ivy League I do not mean just Harvard, Princeton, and Yale, but the entire concept of high-priced elite schools like a Stanford, Duke, or Columbia as well. We know a BA from such institutions does not ipso facto any longer, as it once may well have, guarantee knowledge or competence. We know the race/class/gender craze has watered down the curriculum, and ensured therapy and empathy trump recall of facts and adherence to the inductive method. And we know that one’s first two years will  probably mean instruction largely by graduate students and lecturers.

Had we national exit requirements, I am convinced those leaving a Hillsdale College or St. Thomas Aquinas or St. John’s would do better than the average Yale BA.

A motivated undergraduate student, who picks the right professors and classes, can get as good an undergraduate education at San Jose State as at Stanford. Certainly, the four years are not worth $200,000 in room, board, and tuition— if education is the goal.

But wait! If, in contrast, networks, influence-accumulation, and contacts are the objectives to ensure a child remains, or enters into, the elite class, then the investment in such undergraduate schools is very much worth it—but should be considered analogous to a debutante ball, the social register, or the Grand Tour.

Does anyone believe that the present professional classes of Ivy-League certified technocrats in the administration understand the law, the economy, or the government any better, by virtue of their university educations, than a does a country trial lawyer, a military officer, a CEO, or any of the others who were educated elsewhere, or received training in the rather rougher arena of the real world?

I am fortunate for a wonderful graduate education in the PhD program at Stanford, but I learned more about the way the world works in two months of farming (which saved a wretch like me) than in four years of concentrated study.

In short, the world does not work on a nine-month schedule. It does not recognize concepts like tenure. It does not care for words without action. And brilliance is not measure by vocabulary or SAT scores. Wowing a dean, or repartee into a seminar, or clever put-downs of rivals in the faculty lounge don’t translate into running a railroad—or running the country. One Harry Truman, or Dwight Eisenhower is worth three Bill Clintons or Barack Obamas. If that sounds reductionist, simplistic, or anti-intellectual, it is not meant to—but so be it nonetheless.

 

5) The “Middle East” is a Fraud

Why do we beat ourselves up over Israel and the Palestinians? Why not occupied Cyprus? Or the Kuriles? Or South Ossetia? Or the divided city of Nicosia?  Is there a “Falklands Question”?

Why are not Germans blowing themselves up in Gdansk, the former East Prussia, the Alsace, or old Silesia to recover “lost” land?

Were there no Israeli-Arab wars before the “occupation” of 1967? Does anyone think that, should the West Bank simply take a 30-year break from the violence, emulate Western business and government, draw in Gulf capital, a few thousands acres here or there would then be still be relevant?

Are the far poorer people of Chad blowing themselves up? Is the world crying for those in the slums of Lima? Does want and famine drive those in rural China to capture the world’s attention by virtue of their terrorist acts? Do we send special envoys to occupied Tibet? Is there a Green Line there?

Sorry—take away three things, and the Mideast “crisis” is relegated to Cypriote status. If there were no oil in the Arab Middle East; if there were no Islamic terrorists; and if there was no endemic global anti-Semitism, we would be as likely to have a “Mideast czar” as we would an “Ossetian Czar.”

 


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Please dear freepers. Don't get offended by his use of "We". Everybody knows that "we" as freepers are ahead of the curve. It's a rhetorical tool. He is generalizing on the scale of the whole country. "We" as a country did elect Obama, believe it or not :^)
1 posted on 01/14/2010 7:15:10 AM PST by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; SJackson; dennisw; kellynla; monkeyshine; Alouette; nopardons; ...

 

  Ping !

Let me know if you want in or out.

Links:   

FR Index of his articles:  http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index
NRO archive: http://author.nationalreview.com/?q=MjI1MQ==
Pajamasmedia:  http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/
His website: http://victorhanson.com/

2 posted on 01/14/2010 7:16:03 AM PST by Tolik
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Victor Davis Hanson:

Just a partial list: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index:

When Conservative Felonies Become Liberal Misdemeanors
2010: Our Year of Decision
Beating the Dead Terrorist Horse. September 11 taught us many lessons. To our peril, we have forgotten them
Bush Did It! And, Really, Bush Did It! And Bush Really Did It!
A Humpty-Dumpty View of the World
2009 Chickens and Their 2010 Roost
Our Year of Obama
Where Did These Guys Come From? The Origins of Obamism
The War Against the Wannabe Rich. Why attack the productive classes who want to be rich?
The Long March From California to Copenhagen [Hanson on debate between capitalism and socialism]
Obama and the Malleability of History. In pursuit of noble goals, Obama ignobly twists the truth.
Our Flip-Flopping Wars - Iraq was never lost and Afghanistan was never quite the easy good war
The Palin Wonder
Obama’s Wheel of Fortune. The president’s luck has changed — and he doesn’t seem to have noticed
Why Are We Tiring of Obama?
Has War Really Changed? War always involves “a military solution.”
Change, Weakness, Disaster, Obama: Answers from Victor Davis Hanson
If Iran Refuses To Cooperate, Block Its Ports
Resetting the Reset Button [Victor Davis Hanson dissects 0's pathetic diplomacy]
Riding the Back of the Tiger [Victor Davis Hanson on Obama not understanding What Causes Wars...]
We Ain't Seen Nothing Yet
Palin-Odes? What Drives the Fear and Loathing of Sarah Palin?
Obama’s Prissy America - Why does Obama’s tolerant, apologetic America seem so very self-centered?
What Bush Inherited, and What He Left Left Behind
Who Are ‘They’? To Obama, “they” are responsible for all our troubles. Problem is, “they” are most of us
Afghan Mythologies. We have everything we need to defeat the Taliban.
The Discreet Charm of the Left-wing Plutocracy
Truman and the Principles of U.S. Foreign Policy. Jimmy Carter rejected the postwar consensus. President Obama appears to be following a similar path
Dr. Barack and Mr. Obama - The backlash is sharp as voters learn that Obama is not the man they thought he was
Obama and "Redistributive Change". His real agenda
The War Against the Producers
President Palin’s First 100 Days. Imagine if Sarah Palin had Obama’s record
Thoughts About Depressed Americans
Our Battered American [gets angrier - Must Read Rant]
Just a partial list. Much more at the link:  http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index
3 posted on 01/14/2010 7:20:35 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Re: Ivy League - I will take a Service Academy graduate or a Land Grant School graduate ANY DAY over an Ivy Leaguer.


4 posted on 01/14/2010 7:22:15 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Just a pony short of a show!)
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An interesting comment from the discussion at the pajamasmedia.com (hopefully the poster won't mind reposting it here):
7. mikemcdaniel:

Dr. Hanson: Fine and insightful post, as always, and please allow me to thank you for the opportunity to participate in an informed, but practical and common sense commentary community.

I see an interesting thread running through your five issues: Merit, and the liberal hatred of it. In order to buy socialism, which is above all an unshakeable belief in the necessity of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity, one must utterly ignore individual merit, and where it cannot be ignored, it must be attacked in every possible venue. America, a capitalism democracy was actually built on individual merit, and whenever we have, as individuals, businesses, schools, institutions, a people and a government, tried to ignore it, unpleasantness has occurred.

Illegal Immigration: We cannot even call illegal immigrants illegal immigrants, but “undocumented this or that.” Because everyone must have the same outcome–American citizenship and all its benefits–liberals cannot consider merit, even as the elite of the elite push the idea that American citizenship is absolutely nothing special. Thus an illiterate former drug runner with no marketable skills should receive the same immigration consideration as a college educated engineer. That America is reaching the point California long ago reached–that there are no longer enough meritorious, productive citizens to provide unlimited equality of opportunity (endless entitlements) for those without merit–is never considered by liberals because acknowledging it would undermine their entire belief system.

War/Heroism: Heroes–and there have been many in the last decade- plus, including at last count, two women who have won the Silver Star, the only two since WWII–are the epitome of merit, but they must be studiously ignored lest the virtue of merit become obvious. As a high school teacher, I’ve discovered that my students cannot name a single decorated military hero of their lifetime (something I endeavor to remedy), though most are pretty much on top of the most recent American Idol contenders. On the positive side, they don’t know who John Kerry, the military, pseudo-hero poster boy of the left, is either. In the same way, America’s success in war cannot be lauded, because, again, this inescapably reveals skill and incredible martial merit, and America, as our post-American president has made clear, is just another of the many nations, without particular merit in any way. To remedy this, I tell my students of the battle of 73 Easting. Perhaps the Haitians will have a different view of the relative merit of our military in the days to come, though I doubt our president will.

Affirmative Action: This issue is all about merit, and the tacit admission by the proponents of affirmative action that those they seek to advance are not smart and capable enough to succeed on their own, and with affirmative action, they need expend no effort to become such. They will always lack that which must never be spoken. Thus has the Obama Justice Department filed suit against the New Jersey State Police because they require a written test for promotion to Sgt. on the laws they must enforce. Too many whites are being promoted, you see, so the test must, ipso facto, be discriminatory. Merit can never enter into such equations. Presumably society would like to employ police supervisors who actually know and can discourse at some length on the laws they are charged with enforcing and teaching to their subordinates, but then, that would require that merit be considered. Left to its own devices, New Jersey would prefer to do that. Our DOJ disagrees. Oh yes, let’s keep in mind that many liberals absolutely hate the police in general, considering them only slightly above frozen lobster on the relative intelligence and morality scale, yet they labor to lower the level of the general police intelligence pool. Being forced to ignore human nature and merit has all kinds of interesting contradictions and consequences.

Elite Schools: The confluence of all of these issues is in our elite schools where lunatic speech codes reign supreme and political orthodoxy rather than merit is the primary, indeed, even the sole, hiring and tenure granting criteria. Liberals scorn Gov. Sarah Palin because she graduated from some little school in Idaho and actually attended several schools before graduating. As she pointed out in her book, she and her contemporaries often had to take a semester off to work to earn enough money to continue, yet did continue, and left college with a degree and without crushing debt. This is, to most Americans who are free to consider the reality of such things, meritorious, but of course, cannot be taken into account as merit does not exist in the liberal worldview, thus we end up with Cornel West, Ward Churchill, Michael Mann and similar hucksters. My undergraduate degree transcript includes credits from four separate institutions, and I too worked while attending school. I suspect this is not at all unusual in most colleges, but may well be in the Ivy League. The fact that I earned that degree in 2.5 years and made the dean’s list every semester would be meaningless because I did not graduate from an elite school, and anyone who did, though they majored in beer and barely passed, would be considered my superior in every way. And of course, affirmative action ensures that far too many people will attend college, people who are simply not ready and/or intellectually capable of genuine college level work, and who will quickly drop out, or worse, will eventually be granted a degree in the name of equality of outcome rather than individual merit. Society is schizophrenic in this. We dare not suggest that some are not capable of college level work, that some people are just smarter than others, but we don’t bat an eyelash over the reality that only a select few will inhabit the ranks of the varsity football team. Sports–which many liberals scorn–seems to be our sole exception to the practiced ignorance of merit.

Middle East: Merit applies here again, for the Israelis have done something that no people who live in that part of the world (with the very limited possible exceptions of the Lebanese and the Jordanians) have done: Made the desert bloom. Not only that, they’ve established a modern, thriving, technologically advanced society that rivals any in a region that is, for the most part, still living in the 7th century. Note the contortions, the blatant lies that must be advanced to ignore the merit of Israel and her citizens. So caught up is the world, and these days, our government, that America seems willing to allow a second Holocaust rather than admit that merit matters, that Israel has it, and that her enemies are essentially 7th century barbarians with modern weapons who would be only to happy to murder us when they’re done with the Jews. People who produce nothing, who build nothing, who live only to destroy, are lauded by the elite, the intellectual, the nuanced, when the Israelis, who seek only to live in peace, and failing that, preserve their lives, are scorned.

There are hopeful signs, however. Having been exposed to Obama and his functionaries, more and more Americans are coming home to the idea that merit matters and that not everyone, for example, should live in their own home because they just can’t afford it. Most Americans understand that this is why we have apartments and do not look down on those who live in them. Still, in the understanding and acceptance of the importance of merit, lies at least part of our salvation. Now if only the congressional Republicans would believe it and act on it rather than behaving like slightly more civilized versions of liberals…


5 posted on 01/14/2010 7:24:38 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Wow! One of VDH’s most incisive and all-encompassing essays ever.


6 posted on 01/14/2010 7:24:42 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Tolik

An obvious candidate for beneficial cognitive diversity./s

VDH bump.


7 posted on 01/14/2010 7:25:53 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: CholeraJoe
Re: Ivy League - I will take a Service Academy graduate or a Land Grant School graduate ANY DAY over an Ivy Leaguer.

How about a graduate from the Cornell Univ School of Agriculture (an original Land Grant College)?

8 posted on 01/14/2010 7:29:59 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Tolik

More Taboo:

6) Global Warming is unproven
7) Social Security is a dinosaur that needs to be retired
8) Obama has not yet proven his eligibility


9 posted on 01/14/2010 7:35:28 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Oh isn’t he wonderful?


10 posted on 01/14/2010 7:36:45 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Tolik; rabscuttle385
List like these are good.

The political problem with Iraq is it became toxic from 2005-2007 when things were going bad and Bush kept on saying they were going good. Sure, Bush finally under a democrat controlled congress employed the surge and fixed what looked to be a coming disaster. But by that point the popular conventional political wisdom was “Bush lied to get us into war. He lied to us and lied to democrats”. (Not saying this was the case.)

The fact is it was Bush, Cheney and Condi out on national TV every day promoting the need for the invasion(Mushroom clouds, WMDs, Iraq pay for it's reconstruction, greeted as liberators, ...) . And they alone made the decision.

There was no amount of explaining or playing of CSPAN tapes on talk radio that could remove those images of Bush responsible.

11 posted on 01/14/2010 7:37:19 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: All

bump


12 posted on 01/14/2010 7:37:59 AM PST by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Tolik
(a) The state propositions have hamstrung the legislature, and resulted in almost no free choices anymore in budgetary decision.

He means "hamstringed."

13 posted on 01/14/2010 7:40:13 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Tolik
Why are not Germans blowing themselves up in Gdansk, the former East Prussia, the Alsace, or old Silesia to recover “lost” land?

Umm...because Germans usually blow other people up when taking back lost lands...they're really good at that, but it's been a problem for them...

14 posted on 01/14/2010 7:43:55 AM PST by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: CholeraJoe
Not long ago we posted the list of presidents and their colleges on one of these threads and concluded that every Ivy League graduate was a poor president, with two possible exceptions-- John Adams and James Madison.

One Freeper even put forth a reasonable argument that these two were among the poorer presidents and certainly the worst of their era.

I also find Hanson's following statement amusing: cf. the con of mostly white candidates claiming some sort of Native American ancestry . . .

The actual probability of a white person being able to claim some Native American ancestry is quite high if they can trace their ancestry in this country back to the 18th century. It becomes even higher (close to 75%) if they can trace it back to the 17th century. The reason is simple math-- the number of direct ancestors doubles every generation and the pool of available people shrinks.

Yeah, I know, we're talking 1/32nd or, in the more common cases, 1/64th or even 1/128th (or less) Native American blood. But it is based on facts, however small. And it is a trend likely to continue as long as special rights are conferred on certain minorities.

15 posted on 01/14/2010 7:45:53 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Tolik

Excellent piece....and I agree those are five things that need to be discussed, but is too PC (even for the going-liberal Fox News).

One more to add.....

The Failure of Free Trade, and how so-called conservatives agree with George Soros, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama, and other far-lefties....agree on Free Trade....and the refusal to discuss its outright failure


16 posted on 01/14/2010 7:47:21 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (No Illegal Alien Amnesty.....Never)
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To: Tolik
I am convinced those leaving a Hillsdale College or St. Thomas Aquinas or St. John’s would do better than the average Yale BA.

I think Hanson is wrong here. It is quite conceivable that any given student going to St. John's instead of Yale would come out with a better education than if he had chosen the Ivy, but the talent pool that Yale gets to pick from "did better" on average in high school and they are likely to continue doing so after they get their four year degree.

ML/NJ

17 posted on 01/14/2010 7:48:46 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Arthur McGowan

Actually, he means hamstrung. It is the correct word.


18 posted on 01/14/2010 7:52:26 AM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Vigilanteman

Unfortunately my maxim about Service Academy graduates doesn’t hold true for presidents. Carter and Grant were graduates of Annapolis and West Point respectively. Grant was a brilliant general but a poor president.


19 posted on 01/14/2010 7:53:57 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Just a pony short of a show!)
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To: Tolik

Bump


20 posted on 01/14/2010 8:02:41 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: CholeraJoe
Re: Ivy League - I will take a Service Academy graduate or a Land Grant School graduate ANY DAY over an Ivy Leaguer.

I wouldn't be so sure. I've taught at both a Land Grant University (my current permanent job) and an Ivy (as a TA and later as visiting faculty). Business? I'll take the B.A. from Wharton over the B.A. in business from a land grant school (I've taught the math service courses for both programs, no comparison in the student motivation and ability, the Ivy wins hands down, and I suspect the programs at Wharton and Harvard Business are more rigorous than those at land grant schools' colleges of business).

Math? The best and brightest among undergrads at both institutions are comparable and get comparable educations (if the ones going to the land grant school had calc in high school so they can skip over the lower division courses and end up topping off their major with a few low-level grad courses), but at the land grant school we have maybe one major per year in an undergrad program which graduates about 20 majors per year, that falls into that category, at the Ivy there were two in the twelve person class I taught while visiting.

21 posted on 01/14/2010 8:04:25 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Tolik
Great stuff.

Until we start to talk about and address REAL problems, many which are listed here, we will continue to flounder as a nation.

The time has come where the politics of obfuscation, lies and false promises has ended. The winners over the next few years, and the leaders that will harness the energy of the masses to fix our problems, are those that will shoot straight and be honest.

BTW, these leaders do not necessarily need to be at a national level and the farther away from the static political organizations the better chance they have of success.

It will take some time, but these crazy ideas are in the process of been discredited. It will probably take bankruptcy to make it so. Painful but necessary.

schu

22 posted on 01/14/2010 8:04:34 AM PST by schu
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To: Tolik
Well, mikemcdaniel certainly adds the icing to the cake. Merit certainly is the communists' most hated concept; it does shatter all Utopian paradigms. I had to chuckle at the reference to air traffic controllers and affirmative action. Preference victim classes are alive and well in this august body. The saving grace is that most of these "victim class" persons are quickly bumped up to management before they kill someone.

Hence, the FAA has a uniquely high percentage of women, minorities and disabled stuffing the management ranks (often in enclaves of a make-work mission, and often where hands on supervision is required, they are buffered with competent "peers" near at hand.)

23 posted on 01/14/2010 8:05:11 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: Tolik
It requires the logic of the Old Confederacy to determine racial purity among the intermarried citizenry

Nice try Yankee, you guys had black codes and laws against interracial marriage same as we did Senor Hypocrite

What we could use from my ancestors is some of that courage and valor and respect from where one comes from.

24 posted on 01/14/2010 8:09:41 AM PST by wardaddy (light skinned articulate white man with only one part of the anatomy one call negro in appearance)
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To: ml/nj

My daughter is at David Lipscomb...which is pretty conservative.

Most of the faculty are right wingers....problem is most of the kids are not.

They are kumbaya love thy neighbor good works types sent their by their folks...for 32k a year.

my daughter is fairly right wing though....

the academics are rigorous though


25 posted on 01/14/2010 8:12:32 AM PST by wardaddy (light skinned articulate white man with only one part of the anatomy one call negro in appearance)
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To: Tolik
I am fortunate for a wonderful graduate education in the PhD program at Stanford, but I learned more about the way the world works in two months of farming (which saved a wretch like me) than in four years of concentrated study.

Well put, Dr. Hanson.

26 posted on 01/14/2010 8:18:08 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: CholeraJoe
You forgot Eisenhower and I hate to say it, Carter. But you need to realize that after graduation service academy grads are given far more responsibility early on than their civilian counterparts still trying to find their way. They are leading troops into battle, commanding patrol boats, flying multimillion dollar aircraft etc. Semper paratus.
27 posted on 01/14/2010 8:20:22 AM PST by uscga77
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To: ml/nj

“I think Hanson is wrong here...”

I think you’ve got it wrong here ....he’s referring to how the graduates from Hillsdale or St. Johns’s perform in the real world. As opposed to a Yale graduate.

I agree with his proposition. The Ivies select from pool of trained spaniel’s that perform well in an academic/academicized environment.


28 posted on 01/14/2010 8:27:23 AM PST by mo
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To: Tolik
Great comment about "merit"...but I think it goes even deeper than that.

IMO, the reason the Left hates "merit" is because "merit" is ultimately a "religious" concept (established by a Holy, Whole, Undivided God) and the Left hates most of all this Holy God

A religious person (i.e. who serves this Holy God who watches his actions and knows his mind) has an obsession with things like merit and integrity and honesty that an atheistic Lefty could not even begin to comprehend.

To me, this is the predicament that America finds herself in now. In fact, it is this war that has burst out into the open for all to see.

It is the religious Right (choosing merit, integrity, etc. in the service of its God) VERSUS the Left who live by the rules not of atheism, but of rebelliousness (such rules including but not limited to "the end justifies the means", "if it feels good, do it", "if I can take if from you, it is mine", "cheating is good, just don't get caught", and the ever popular "there is no right or wrong, good or evil").

All this said, however, don't be fooled into believing the atheist Left is truly godless. The Leftie most certainly serves a god. While there are some who are still, as yet, oblivious to this fact, their leaders are not.

Just ask Alinsky...and Obama. They know full-well that the one who wrote their rules is Lucifer.

29 posted on 01/14/2010 8:30:22 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Always doing the opposite of what needs to be done!")
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To: Tolik
Interestingly, the Far Left radicals now in positions of power in Washington who rely on the good reputations of "Ivy League" schools for their own "qualifications," conveniently ignore how these schools first obtained such a reputation for excellence. More importantly, however, they and their so-called "progressive" fellows would disavow the legitimacy of the ideas which motivated the founders of those universities to create such places of learning.

Those ideas would not fit into the Far Left's "politically correct" world view, because the ideas were derived from religious thought and, as such, are "flawed," as are the ideas of America's genius Founders.

30 posted on 01/14/2010 8:59:18 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Tolik
It requires the logic of the Old Confederacy to determine racial purity among the intermarried citizenry. Jet-black Punjabis get no preferences. Light-skinned Mexican-Americans of the fourth-generation claim privilege. Poor whites from Tulare don’t rank. The children of black dentists do. I see very little logic here.

I know - I know (waving hand in air - call one ME!)

Here's the logic: The groups with the benefits are DEMS. The groups without have FEW voters - or they're Republican...

31 posted on 01/14/2010 9:07:35 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama's US is "harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend" - Bernard Lewis warning...)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
the Left hates most of all this Holy God

You are correct, and this is nothing new under the sun. Baal, high places, totems, eros, it has been going on for thousands of years. It is the rebellion against God.

The left, with its roots in the early 1900 progressive movement, is about replacing God. Like most human endeavors of that nature, problems often are the result of man trying to play God.

This hatred of God is at the root of the left’s visceral hatred of Bush. Yes, Bush had many faults, and much of the crticism was deserved. But him being a man of God was the reason for the left’s demonization of all he did. They simply could not allow him to succeed at anything, and it is all due to his beliefs.

When man decides he knows better than God, then it is time to turn tail and run, as one can be assured a disaster is not far away ....

schu

32 posted on 01/14/2010 9:11:29 AM PST by schu
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; CholeraJoe; Maverick68
How about a graduate from the Cornell Univ School of Agriculture (an original Land Grant College)?

Eggs-actly!

But I would clarify that it is very dependent upon the candidate. A good candidate, like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham, will gain much at an Ivy beyond "connections." And it depends on the major and what the purpose of the education is.

In some cases, you just can't beat that Ivy Leaguer. Most jobs, however, demand the good foundations that are obtainable (perhaps more easily!) at a non-Ivy state or other school. Obviously, Hillsdale is a great option in many ways.

33 posted on 01/14/2010 9:14:04 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
The Failure of Free Trade, and how so-called conservatives agree with George Soros, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama, and other far-lefties....agree on Free Trade....and the refusal to discuss its outright failure

Actually, demonizing Free Trade is a great example of leftist anti-merit thought that is similar to these anyone else.

God did not give us some Right to be more prosperous than others automatically. If they can outcompete us, then so be it.

And before you say that is anti-American, I would say that trying to complain about it is like getting mad at gravity. No matter how much protectionism you try, why should our customers around the world buy from us rather than a better deal elsewhere? If we're a better deal, then benefits would come to us. If we're not, how can you complain that nobody wants to do business with us?

Global markets are a fact of reality. Closing our eyes to that fact doesn't make it go away.

34 posted on 01/14/2010 9:21:49 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
The Failure of Free Trade, and how so-called conservatives agree with George Soros, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama, and other far-lefties....agree on Free Trade....and the refusal to discuss its outright failure

Actually, demonizing Free Trade is a great example of leftist anti-merit thought that is similar to these anyone else.

God did not give us some Right to be more prosperous than others automatically. If they can outcompete us, then so be it.

And before you say that is anti-American, I would say that trying to complain about it is like getting mad at gravity. No matter how much protectionism you try, why should our customers around the world buy from us rather than a better deal elsewhere? If we're a better deal, then benefits would come to us. If we're not, how can you complain that nobody wants to do business with us?

Global markets are a fact of reality. Closing our eyes to that fact doesn't make it go away.

35 posted on 01/14/2010 9:22:03 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Tolik
Illegal Immigration and California.

I guarantee you that California would not have a budget problem but for illegal immigration. It is a problem caused by the US Supreme Court (when it decreed that illegals had to be served in schools and hospitals), by the Feds, allowing unfettered illegal immigration, and by the illegal alien lobby within California, which has taken over the legislature and which looks at illegals as the best path to Aztlan. They don't just fund the illegals, they actively seek more of them and lionize them.

The amount the budget is under water could be erased overnight if illegals were not here. Our streets would be safer and there would be more jobs with decent pay contributing to the tax base.

36 posted on 01/14/2010 9:24:29 AM PST by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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To: schu

Yep...and that’s why they are absolutely apoplectic over Palin!


37 posted on 01/14/2010 9:26:12 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Always doing the opposite of what needs to be done!")
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To: Gondring
You can say that again!;-)

No seriously, you can say that again...particularly this part:

Actually, demonizing Free Trade is a great example of leftist anti-merit thought...

God did not give us some Right to be more prosperous than others automatically. If they can outcompete us, then so be it.

Strong medicine but absolutely right!
38 posted on 01/14/2010 9:30:37 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Always doing the opposite of what needs to be done!")
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To: Tolik

BTTT for Merit!


39 posted on 01/14/2010 9:32:12 AM PST by Mama Shawna
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
You can say that again!;-)

If I said it again, I would do so without the scrambled (uh, I mean, scarmabled) end of the top line! :-)

"these anyone else" --> s/h/b something like --> "the examples given"

40 posted on 01/14/2010 9:40:40 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Defiant

While I agree that a lot of California’s problems rest with the Federal govt, the fact that California has more than 12% of all the Representatives in Congress should have made Congressional “oversight” more stringent. That amount of political power available to California has been totally invisible.


41 posted on 01/14/2010 10:43:25 AM PST by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: Tolik
A motivated undergraduate student, who picks the right professors and classes, can get as good an undergraduate education at San Jose State as at Stanford. Certainly, the four years are not worth $200,000 in room, board, and tuition— if education is the goal.

But wait! If, in contrast, networks, influence-accumulation, and contacts are the objectives to ensure a child remains, or enters into, the elite class, then the investment in such undergraduate schools is very much worth it—but should be considered analogous to a debutante ball, the social register, or the Grand Tour.

Brilliant.

42 posted on 01/14/2010 12:06:45 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: Tolik

We simply can’t afford these taboos anymore. All this bipartisan and nonpartisan nonsense defies common sense.


43 posted on 01/14/2010 12:55:52 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: sickoflibs
"There was no amount of explaining or playing of CSPAN tapes on talk radio that could remove those images of Bush responsible. "

Of course Bush was responsible. That is a fact and not debatable.

But it's also a fact that most Democrat leaders supported Bush's policies and urged him on, until the going got tough. Then they turned on him and did everything they could to undermine him politically.

The chaos in Iraq did not happen overnight. It took years to develop and even longer to figure out what was required to defeat it.

So it's an interesting question: knowing everything we do today, could Iraq have been stabilized and returned to Iraqi control significantly faster, and with many fewer lost lives than, in fact, it was?

My point is: if Iraq was the fault of "stupid" George Bush, then a "genius" like Barrack Obama should be able to solve an easy problem like, say, Afghanistan in a matter of days, or weeks, right? :-)

44 posted on 01/14/2010 4:14:14 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Your points are valid. I was sticking to the political reality which this post was about.


45 posted on 01/14/2010 5:34:09 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: Tolik
Mike McDaniel is one smart cookie.

Thanks for ferreting out his post...and posting it here.

46 posted on 01/14/2010 5:37:00 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: ml/nj
...but the talent pool that Yale gets to pick from "did better" on average in high school and they are likely to continue doing so after they get their four year degree.

A reasonable proposition. But not necessarily a correct one.

The Yale entering class may well be superior to Hillsdale's. But what comes out four years later is, on average, probably less educated.

But it's a sterile argument. You are never "hiring the class", you're hiring the individual. In that regard, I've had equal success with undergraduates from Princeton...and Bradley...and Oklahoma State.

47 posted on 01/14/2010 5:43:06 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01
You are never "hiring the class", you're hiring the individual. In that regard, I've had equal success with undergraduates from Princeton...and Bradley...and Oklahoma State.

My own experience was better with Princeton. I specifically remember the (Princeton grad) girl I hired asking why I hired her a year afterward considering that she had no experience doing what I hired her to do. I told her that I felt anyone who was reasonably smart could do what I wanted her to do and in her case, at least, I was correct.

As a geezer now, I sometimes take classes at two top level schools, one an Ivy. The classes I take are all real academic stuff (no xyz-"studies") and I can tell you that the level of the kids I encounter is pretty top drawer. I have a small state school near me. I've never taken classes there but the books they assign for their courses are mostly very low level.

ML/NJ

48 posted on 01/14/2010 6:04:30 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Tolik

Some very good points.


49 posted on 01/14/2010 6:31:44 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: schu

“The left, with its roots in the early 1900 progressive movement, is about replacing God. Like most human endeavors of that nature, problems often are the result of man trying to play God.”

This is exactly correct, as is pointed out in “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg.

I am an agnostic, yet it is clear to me that Christianity is an important glue that holds American society together.


50 posted on 01/14/2010 6:36:31 PM PST by marktwain
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