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Who's running Haiti? No one, say the people
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14205092.htm ^ | January 14, 2010

Posted on 01/14/2010 3:00:32 PM PST by NCjim

Desperate Haitians turned rubble-strewn streets and parks into makeshift hospitals and refugee camps on Thursday in the absence of any noticeable response from authorities in Haiti after Tuesday's earthquake.

With the 7.0 magnitude earthquake collapsing the presidential palace, a string of ministries and the headquarters of the U.N. peacekeeping mission in the country, Haiti faces a dangerous vacuum in security and government.

The Caribbean nation of 9 million people, the poorest in the western hemisphere, has a turbulent history of conflict, social turmoil, dictatorship, fragile institutions and devastating natural catastrophes.

Many in the capital Port-au-Prince picked away at shattered buildings with bare hands, sticks and hammers hoping to find loved-ones alive. Thousands of homeless people began to set up their own camps anywhere they could, the biggest right opposite the collapsed presidential palace.

"Look at us. Who is helping us? Right now, nobody," said Jean Malesta, a 19-year-old student who was the only survivor when her apartment building collapsed from the powerful quake that has killed thousands, possibly tens of thousands.

She and a dozen others lay under a tent they had set up in the park opposite President Rene Preval's palace. His weak and under-resourced government appears totally unequipped to handle the crisis, its officials in disarray and nowhere to be seen.

'WE ARE ON OUR OWN'

"So far, they have brought us nothing. We need water, food, shelter, everything, but we are on our own," Malesta added, to cries of agreement from women sitting and lying around her.

A major international aid effort has not yet kicked in, although plenty of small groups, many from the United States, have scrambled quickly, moving personnel into Haiti by plane and overland from neighboring Dominican Republic.

"The problem is that unlike traditional disaster situations we have few local partners to work with, because most of them have had their buildings destroyed and are looking for their own dead and missing," said Margaret Aguirre, a senior official with International Medical Corps.

Haitians are doing their best to survive chaotic conditions in the absence of any clear leadership, said Latin America expert Dan Erikson of the Washington-based Inter-American Dialogue think tank.

"The sad truth is that no one is in charge of Haiti today. This vacuum, coupled with the robust response from the Obama administration, has inevitably created a situation where the U.S. will be the de facto decision-maker in Haiti."

Even President Rene Preval lost his home. "My palace collapsed. ... I can't live in the palace, I can't live in my own house," he told CNN on Wednesday.

The 9,000-strong U.N. peacekeeping force, which might have been able to step into the void, has been left counting its own dead after its headquarters were destroyed in the quake.

The United Nations said 36 of its personnel in Haiti had been killed and many more were still missing.

Peacekeepers occasionally patrolled the city in buses and trucks and have mobilized some heavy earth-moving equipment but the blue-helmet soldiers have largely stayed off the streets.

Underlying the growing sense of chaos and abandonment around the half-destroyed coastal capital Port-au-Prince, some looting began -- a phenomenon Haitians have seen many times before in past political crises.

At one crushed supermarket, young men calmly carried off bags of food and electronics without a policemen in sight.

Pickup trucks stacked high with bodies could be seen making their way through traffic-clogged streets on Thursday morning, on their way to drop off the dead at the morgue attached to Hospital General, the city's main health facility.

But Guy LaRoche, the hospital's director, said it was already filled to overflowing with more than 1,500 rapidly decomposing bodies. Many had been left lying out in the sun. LaRoche said he had had no contact with any government officials to see what to do with them.

LOOMING HEALTH THREAT

"I'm awaiting the decision of the government. What else can I do?" he said. "The health threat, from disease, could be another catastrophe. We need nurses, medical teams, more of everything."

Around the city, many Haitians put rags and masks over their faces as the stench from rotting bodies began to rise. Crushed cars and vans stuck out of collapsed buildings, while children's toys, shoes and papers were scattered on streets.

In poor areas, there was little sign of any coordinated rescue activities.

"I think 50 percent of the city is destroyed," said Vladimir Rousseau, a 32-year-old diesel engineer, in the hard-hit Carrefour district.

Reuters witnesses saw some city blocks completely leveled, though in other areas the damage was more patchy.

In the upscale, hilltop Petionville sector, a Chilean contingent of U.N. peacekeepers -- many of whom arrived only last week and looked stunned at events -- were helping excavate rubble at the landmark Hotel Montana, which collapsed.

They said they had pulled out 14 people alive already, foreign customers and local workers alike, and thought there were dozens more underneath the stones.

"There is no one in our country capable of sorting this out. Everyone is looking after their own families. Only the world can come to our rescue," said shop owner Edner Baptiste.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, pledging U.S. help for Haiti's crippled government, said: "The authorities that existed before the earthquake are not able to fully function."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aftermath; earthquake; earthquakeaftermath; haiti; haitianearthquake; haitiearthquake; haitiquake; haitiquake2010; homelesshaitians; portauprince; renepreval
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1 posted on 01/14/2010 3:00:34 PM PST by NCjim
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“’WE ARE ON OUR OWN’”

It’s called demanding Independence. They’ve had it for 200 years. Stop complaining. They already get 40% of their govt budget through foreign aid.


2 posted on 01/14/2010 3:02:24 PM PST by Bob017
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To: NCjim

Haiti has always been like this and always be like this. Ditto Somalia, Afghanistan and a few others.


3 posted on 01/14/2010 3:02:26 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: NCjim

“’WE ARE ON OUR OWN’”

It’s called Independence. They’ve had it for 200 years. Stop complaining. They already get 40% of their govt budget through foreign aid.


4 posted on 01/14/2010 3:02:44 PM PST by Bob017
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To: NCjim

The UN has been there for a good decade.


5 posted on 01/14/2010 3:03:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: NCjim

Maybe this is the sort of disaster that will make the
Haitian people come together and realize they are the
ones to build their own government. One can hope or
one can build. Take your choice.


6 posted on 01/14/2010 3:03:33 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NCjim

Very, very sad......MAYBE, just maybe something good will come out of this....maybe, just maybe they will learn to rely more on themselves and their friends, relatives and neighbors than some dictator.


7 posted on 01/14/2010 3:03:59 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NCjim

Haiti has just become the de-facto 58th state.


8 posted on 01/14/2010 3:04:24 PM PST by C19fan
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To: NCjim
I saw the looting in Haiti on Fox News and it wasn't food and water being stolen, it was electronics and booze.
9 posted on 01/14/2010 3:04:29 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Get lost, Mitt. You're the Eddie Haskell of the Republican party." (Finny))
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To: NCjim
All those relief supplies being delivered, just waiting for some bandito to rise from the dark and claim he is in charge and the supplies belong to him and only he will be in charge of dispersement. Most of the relief will be hoarded or sold on the ‘’black’’ market. Who is in charge? Nobody.
10 posted on 01/14/2010 3:04:29 PM PST by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: shadeaud

The US Army needs to impose martial law and shoot first policy for looters and thugs. I bet the vast majority of Haitains would approve.


11 posted on 01/14/2010 3:05:36 PM PST by C19fan
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To: Frantzie

>>Haiti has always been like this and always be like this. Ditto Somalia, Afghanistan and a few others.<<

I hate using the word “always” in these situations, but I think that word may best fit, assuming always means “until Christ returns”.


12 posted on 01/14/2010 3:07:29 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Graybeard58

>>I saw the looting in Haiti on Fox News and it wasn’t food and water being stolen, it was electronics and booze.<<

In a situation like this, hard liquor is as valuable as money. Maybe more valuable. More like gold.


13 posted on 01/14/2010 3:08:41 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: cripplecreek

>>The UN has been there for a good decade.<<

They’re licking their own wounds right now, too.


14 posted on 01/14/2010 3:09:39 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: NCjim
"I'm awaiting the decision of the government. What else can I do?" he said.

And there you have it, in one simple statement. The whole leftist mentality and intended consequence, boiled down into one condensed admission.

15 posted on 01/14/2010 3:10:57 PM PST by OB1kNOb (Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo? A: Bo has papers.)
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To: cripplecreek
The UN has been there for a good decade.

"Don't let a good crisis go to waste" Rhambo.....

Oy..../tin foil hat

16 posted on 01/14/2010 3:12:12 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: NCjim

The sad irony is that many of the Haitians of power, influence and relative wealth who are counted on to keep order are probably dead inside their homes and offices. Most of the survivors are probably shanty town residents and homeless street people.


17 posted on 01/14/2010 3:13:58 PM PST by TADSLOS (Nigerian Crotch Bombers are U.S. Citizens too!- B. Obama)
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To: NCjim
I was living in Simi Valley during the Northridge earthquake. Let me tell you, you are on your own for a good time even here in the US.

One good thing I saw here, though, was people making decisions and doing what needed to be done, without waiting for Mr Big Government to tell you what to do.

18 posted on 01/14/2010 3:14:49 PM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Graybeard58
it was electronics and booze.

In the spirit of some levity for a tense and disastrous situation....


19 posted on 01/14/2010 3:16:22 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: Graybeard58

“I saw the looting in Haiti on Fox News and it wasn’t food and water being stolen, it was electronics and booze.”

Hmmmmm. Looks like they have a bit in common with their
“Voodo Bro’s” in New Orleans.


20 posted on 01/14/2010 3:16:24 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Graybeard58
I saw the looting in Haiti on Fox News and it wasn't food and water being stolen, it was electronics and booze.

At least the liquor has medicinal value as a disinfectant and a pain killer. And radios/ televisions for information.

21 posted on 01/14/2010 3:16:57 PM PST by elli1
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To: RobRoy

Isn’t that special? They say 9000 UN peacekeepers are there, but since they have counted 36 or so lost, they can’t function. Have they no chain of command? What kind of military organization stops moving with a .4% loss?
Oh right, the new world government...I get it now.


22 posted on 01/14/2010 3:18:30 PM PST by randomwalk (Liberalism is a psychosis...)
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To: NCjim
take pictures of and prints from the bodies, then burn them...
23 posted on 01/14/2010 3:18:56 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Bob017
"Look at us. Who is helping us? Right now, nobody," said Jean Malesta,.."So far, they have brought us nothing."

..Can't let a good crisis go to waste, Mon! We be victims of da white man's oppression.

Only the world can come to our rescue," said shop owner Edner Baptiste.

Save us from ourselves, Mon. You owe us, you white devils, for years of the French slavery.

The 9,000-strong U.N. peacekeeping force, which might have been able to step into the void, has been left counting its own dead after its headquarters were destroyed in the quake.

Ah, there's the answer - The U.N. Peacekeeping force. That's why this country has been so successful. The U.N., which wants to control the world, has used Haiti as its guinea pig nation for socialism. Take heed America!

24 posted on 01/14/2010 3:19:39 PM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: NCjim
'WE ARE ON OUR OWN'

It could turn out that way, too -- for us in the U.S. if and when some natural disasters happen and/or some big Islamic terrorist attack happens. So, people should be aware of that...

I was watching that "Armageddon Week" on (I think) the History Channel and that will make you think about things a bit... :-)

25 posted on 01/14/2010 3:21:00 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: NCjim

The Haitian government is busy. Who else is going to post all of those humanitarian supplies on Ebay and Craigslist?!?


26 posted on 01/14/2010 3:22:01 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: T. P. Pole
I was living in Simi Valley during the Northridge earthquake.

I was in the Northridge Trailer Park off of Vanalden and Nordhoff, my home was one of three that burned.

We were on our own for thirty days and did just fine because honest people banned together and survived, and did what had to be done.

27 posted on 01/14/2010 3:23:53 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: C19fan

only if Haiti pays us back for the bullets. They have 1.4 billion in national debt and we have something between 13-106 trillion.


28 posted on 01/14/2010 3:24:20 PM PST by omega4179 (Marco2010)
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To: Thommas

Talent Development & Excellence
Vol. 1, No. 1, 2009, 3-25

The impact of smart fractions, cognitive ability of
politicians and average competence of peoples on
social development’

“Following an economic research tradition “human capital” is relevant for economic growth and wealth (Hanushek & Kimko, 2000; Lynn & Vanhanen, 2002, 2006; Jones & Schneider, 2006; Weede, 2006; Rindermann, 2008a). In addition, cognitive ability of nations has a positive impact on political development, in that it helps building up democracy, the rule of law and political liberty (Simpson, 1997; Rindermann, 2008b).

Intelligence, knowledge and the intelligent use of knowledge also have beneficial effects on health, for instance they act as a brake on the spread of HIV (Oesterdiekhoff & Rindermann, 2007; Lakhanpal & Ram, 2008; Rindermann & Meisenberg, 2009). Finally, cognitive competence is relevant for the development of modernity as a societal and especially as a cultural phenomenon consisting of education, autonomy, liberty, morality and rationality (Habermas, 1985/1981; Meisenberg, 2004; Oesterdiekhoff, 2008; Lynn, Harvey & Nyborg, 2009). Societies at a higher ability level develop more complex, more evidence-based, more ethical and more rational world views.

For some scholars like Georg Oesterdiekhoff (2000) or Michael Hart (2007) intelligence is the driving force of history.

These broad effects at the cross-national data level are backed in different societies by results at the individual level for job performance and wealth (Bacharach & Baumeister, 1998; Schmidt & Hunter, 2004; Irwing & Lynn, 2006; Rindermann & Thompson, 2009), for tolerance, civic political attitudes and participation in elections (Herrnstein & Murray, 1994; Denny & Doyle, 2008; Deary, Batty & Gale, 2008), for health behavior and health (Goldman & Smith, 2002; Gottfredson, 2004), moral judgment (Piaget, 1997/1932;”

http://iratde.org/issues/1-2009/tde_issue_1-2009_03_rindermann_et_al.pdf


29 posted on 01/14/2010 3:27:33 PM PST by Bob017
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To: OB1kNOb

Lets try this;

A strong man or woman (if they have any authority over there, not sure of their view of women) stand up and call to round up the able bodied folk in the area. Put one in charge of assembling a team to gather and burn the dead. Another in charge of assembling a team to search for the living. Another in charge of finding a source of water and setting fires to boil such water to disperse. Another team assembled to search for food or catch some fish if close enough to water to do so. Get the women to care for the orphaned and injured as best as they can. Each community needs to have a go to person with a plan. Disaster can strike anywhere anytime.

We have neighbors, friends and families to count on in a hard and scary world. Things happen in an instant. Each neighborhood should act autonomously and have some sort of disaster plan for this very reason. Its great to have a 72 hour pack for each member of your family, but what if fleeing is not an option? Get to know your neigbors. Find out their strengths and weaknesses. Decide BEFORE you need to know who will become the defacto organizer/decisionmaker in your area. Formulate a plan in case of disaster and give each neighbor their part to play. Have one get a handpump for a well for water. Have a nurse or dr in your neighborhood, have them be your triage point. Have a heavily armed neighbor? Have them be in charge of neigborhood security and decide who will assist. Food supplies/sources etc. Get to know your neighbors cause if the SHTF, you are looking at your new family or foe. Know BEFOREHAND who you can count on and whom you may have to drive out.


30 posted on 01/14/2010 3:28:16 PM PST by wombtotomb
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To: NCjim

/// Not to worry. A crisis is a terrible thing to waste...... By the end of the week Obama will be world Savior to Haiti, with American capitalist money and troops from a military him and AG Holder is trying to prosecute for protecting us. >


31 posted on 01/14/2010 3:29:03 PM PST by ColdOne ( Besides going to a church for Bidens mothers funeral, Has he gone to Church yet?)
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To: NCjim

“I’m awaiting the decision of the government. What else can I do?” (Hospital Director)

A perfect example of why we should not become a welfare state.


32 posted on 01/14/2010 3:32:03 PM PST by derekr44
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To: NCjim
There are 9,000 UN peacekeeping forces and there is nobody to help? Who is paying those 9,000 peacekeepers?

They can interview the President of Haiti and all he does is cry because he has no home, and yet they say there is nobody to tell them what to do with the dead bodies that are beginning to rot?

FGS, take a DNA sample and bury them.

33 posted on 01/14/2010 3:33:10 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Chode
" take pictures of and prints from the bodies, then burn them... "

Exactly. There are able bodied men and women that are able to dig a hole or start a fire. It is awful to even imagine, and I would guess than many survivors are in shock, but sometimes you simply have to do whatever is necessary to get by. I know that if I were not severely injured that I would bury a body or start a fire before I would sit under a piece of cloth in the park next to rotting corpses.

Why can't these poor people learn to do for themselves? There is a constant presence of aid workers and missionaries on the island ... why don't they help these people do for themselves instead of biting their lip and feeling their pain? They are not doing these people any good in the long run unless they are showing them how to turn their third world craphole into a tourist destination with places to work and make life better.

34 posted on 01/14/2010 3:35:08 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: C19fan
The US Army needs to impose martial law and shoot first policy for looters and thugs. I bet the vast majority of Haitains would approve.

Just what the world would like to see: lots of black Haitians gunned down by white US troops. Not. Pass.

35 posted on 01/14/2010 3:39:59 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: shadeaud

My husband spoke to a business colleague of ours this morning. This man runs a business in MN and has also been active in missionary work in Haiti for many years, volunteering his time every year and his wife’s and his daughter’s time too.

He commented that this Haitian President is a good guy who will not allow foreign aid to be distributed through questionable channels in Haiti because it always gets stolen before reaching the people. He makes all foreign aid go through his own office so that he can direct it to where it is needed.

Obviously with his home and offices destroyed, that kind of “hands on” supervision is interrupted for the time being. I trust the judgement of our friend, however, so don’t trash this Haitian President until, and unless, we learn differently.


36 posted on 01/14/2010 3:47:19 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Bob017
I get the impression they don't want to do anything for themselves because
the Gov always provided for them. Wake up citizens of Haiti..


I hate to be crass about this but send them fishing poles and tarps.

37 posted on 01/14/2010 3:55:19 PM PST by MaxMax (Lets get a sense)
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To: MaxMax

“I get the impression they don’t want to do anything for themselves because
the Gov always provided for them.”

It is called enslavement. See also the Democratic Party.


38 posted on 01/14/2010 4:00:28 PM PST by maggief
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To: afraidfortherepublic

That is good to know—is the Haitian president a survivor?


39 posted on 01/14/2010 4:06:30 PM PST by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: mom4kittys

Don’t know — just reporting. I thought Aristede was a good guy too, and then he turned very bad, indeed.


40 posted on 01/14/2010 4:14:43 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: C19fan
The US Army needs to impose martial law and shoot first policy for looters and thugs. I bet the vast majority of Haitains would approve.

They would in fact be seen as saviours.

41 posted on 01/14/2010 4:20:20 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: C19fan

Your prediction will probably come true in the next few days; the lead battalion of the 82nd Abn Div’s “ready brigade” is en route; an amphibious ready group, built around the USS Nassau and the 24th MEU departs the east coast early next week. It’s a sure bet that the amphib group and the Marines will wind up there as well. The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson arrives tomorrow, and one of our hospital ship will be on station next week.

The security mission is pretty straight-forward; secure the airfield, the ports and other elements of key infrastructure (that are still usable). Establish security for the various offices/facilities that will be coming on line in the next week or so. Help the populace near these locations, then expand out into the countryside as more troops and resources become available.

BTW, some of the most important U.S. personnel in Haiti right now USAF combat controllers and aerial port specialists. The controllers are best known for calling in close air support in combat zones, but they’re also fully trained air traffic controllers. They’ve probably established a mobile ATC facility in Port-au-Prince and are doing most of the air traffic control work.

The aerial port specialists have the personnel, expertise and (most importantly) the hardware to unload those cargo planes piling up at the airport. A lot of countries sent aircraft that can’t be unloaded without K-loaders and other specialized equipment.


42 posted on 01/14/2010 4:21:07 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: NCjim

Haven’t heard it yet, so :”Bush’s Fault! (sarcasm)


43 posted on 01/14/2010 4:25:27 PM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: John-Irish

So where has all the money gone ( loooong time passing.... ) that has been given to this poorest of poor nation? I mean...apparently the ruler lived in a palace that was bigger than our White House....have we been giving money to a nation that has not been distributing it to its poor?


44 posted on 01/14/2010 4:49:01 PM PST by Republic (Get the uhbama's, reid's, pelosi's dirty greedy fingers out of our personal medical care!)
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To: Republic

You can distribute the money to the poor, but it won’t take long until that money is right back in the hands of the powers that be.


45 posted on 01/14/2010 4:51:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: NCjim
Who's running Haiti? No one, say the people

And how is that different from any given point in Hatian history save the U.S. occupation of 1915-34?

46 posted on 01/14/2010 4:54:27 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: Graybeard58

Funny. Same thing happened after Katrina.


47 posted on 01/14/2010 4:55:45 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: C19fan
They did it in 1915, and it worked. The dictator of the moment (they're a dime a dozen in Haitian history) was on a massive killing spree in which he executed 167 politicians from the opposing faction. A massive revolt broke out on July 27 in Port Au Prince with looting and burning right up to the doorstep of the presidential palace, with the dictator himself being seized and mutilated by the mob.

The U.S. said enough was enough and had a ship load of marines there to put an end to it in a single day's time.

The marines occupied Haiti for the next 19 years. They were also the ONLY period of peace and stability in that country's entire history.

48 posted on 01/14/2010 5:05:23 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

My God they live on an ISLAND> Why would they not bury at sea??


49 posted on 01/14/2010 5:07:41 PM PST by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve. Is our government our traitor?)
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To: NCjim
Sounds like US inner cities.

Gangs Armed With Machetes Loot Port-Au-Prince Central Business District Resembles Hell On Earth As Bodies Pile Up And Armed Men Battle Over Food, Supplies

Gangs of men armed with machetes were seen looting parts of Port-au-Prince, Haiti on Jan. 14, 2010.

50 posted on 01/14/2010 5:13:20 PM PST by SkyPilot
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