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Haiti: Disaster beyond magnitude (America's Fault)
The Guardian ^ | July 15, 2010 | The Guardian

Posted on 01/14/2010 4:26:38 PM PST by americanophile

It is all too easy, seeing the appalling scenes from Port-au-Prince yesterday, to forget America's historic debt to Haiti, scene of the first successful slave revolt, which defined the destiny of Africans in the New World. The establishment of the first black independent state had tangible consequences. It denied Napoleon his foothold in the Caribbean and led him to sell New Orleans and the Louisiana territories to Jefferson. But, for as long as anyone can remember, Haiti has been treated as a basket case where corruption, gang violence and natural disaster combine to drag the country backwards. Now an earthquake may have killed up to 50,000, and rendered 3 million homeless. No one can prevent shallow earthquakes, but the consequences of this one have been made catastrophic by Haiti's condition.

The French saddled the nation with debt, the Americans with cheap rice imports in the 1980s; 98% of the land has been deforested, destroying watersheds, creating soil erosion and impoverishing agriculture.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: america; earthquake; france; frenchhaiti; haiti; haitianhistory; haitianricefarmers; jefferson; louisianapurchase; napolean; neworleans; patrobertson; portauprince; presidentjefferson; rice; ricesubsidies; slaverevolt
I didn't think even the Guardian could manage to blame this on America, but they did. Typical.
1 posted on 01/14/2010 4:26:39 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile
The Guardian is staffed by America-hating lunatics.
Anyone remember the call by the Guardian for Bush to be assassinated?
Haiti has been a screwed up country for as long as I can rem,ember, going back to the notorious, murderous papa Doc and his squad of hired killers, the Tonton Macoute
Billions of American taxpayer dollars have been into this hell hole, all for nothing. The country is still as screwed up as ever.
2 posted on 01/14/2010 4:36:49 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: americanophile
The Guardian is staffed by America-hating lunatics.
Anyone remember the call by the Guardian for Bush to be assassinated?
Haiti has been a screwed up country for as long as I can rem,ember, going back to the notorious, murderous papa Doc and his squad of hired killers, the Tonton Macoute
Billions of American taxpayer dollars have been into this hell hole, all for nothing. The country is still as screwed up as ever.
3 posted on 01/14/2010 4:36:58 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: americanophile
The Guardian is staffed by America-hating lunatics.
Anyone remember the call by the Guardian for Bush to be assassinated?
Haiti has been a screwed up country for as long as I can rem,ember, going back to the notorious, murderous papa Doc and his squad of hired killers, the Tonton Macoute
Billions of American taxpayer dollars have been into this hell hole, all for nothing. The country is still as screwed up as ever.
4 posted on 01/14/2010 4:37:11 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: americanophile

al-Guardian editors and writers should run the world, because it is always evident that only they could do it properly.........


5 posted on 01/14/2010 4:37:58 PM PST by Enchante (Do we really send captured TERRORISTS off to Saudi-land and Yemen so they can be "REHABILITATED"?)
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To: americanophile

When do we start paying the reparations?

Oh, and I am sorry, so-so very sorry about whatever I did back then. Heck, should I even quit eating rice as a sign of my very, very, very sincere sorryness?

BTW.. I know that sorryness has not been a real word, but so many words have been removed or made illegal over the past few years, I am now on a personal mission to create some new ones.


6 posted on 01/14/2010 4:38:49 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: SmokingJoe

But it’s still America’s fault. If the USA hadn’t created so many cities, the world’s plates wouldn’t be so bogged down with all the weight.

/sarc


7 posted on 01/14/2010 4:39:16 PM PST by derekr44
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To: SmokingJoe

“the Americans with cheap rice imports”

How is cheap rice imports a bad thing?

Ironic that the English are attacking the US for the slave trade. Next it will be the Dutch doing this.


8 posted on 01/14/2010 4:39:50 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: americanophile

The Guardian is a little mouse, the Democrats’ answer to the “vast right wing conspiracy”.
Nobody pays attention to the Guardian.


9 posted on 01/14/2010 4:40:16 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: americanophile

the Americans with cheap rice imports in the 1980s;

The Guardian would have liked high priced rice imports?

There is no pleasing the left so F’em.


10 posted on 01/14/2010 4:41:08 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SmokingJoe

What you been smoking, Joe? :)

BTW, I couldn’t agree more.


11 posted on 01/14/2010 4:41:52 PM PST by derllak
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To: SmokingJoe

That actually needed to be said three times.

I for one appreciated it.

Cheers,

knewshound


12 posted on 01/14/2010 4:42:52 PM PST by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: SmokingJoe
The Guardian is staffed by America-hating lunatics.

Before the days of the World Wide Web while living in England, I would walk by the newsstands and actually laugh at this newspaper awaiting to be bought by some lib clown.

13 posted on 01/14/2010 4:43:54 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: americanophile
What a load of crap. Haiti has been independent for 206 years - almost as long as we have. It's been a complete basket case of a nation from the very beginning.

The first four presidents of Haiti were all overthrown by the next, usually after proclaiming themselves emperors for life. The country was founded in 1804 but did not have a president who peacefully completed his term in office until 1874!

In total, 27 different Haitian heads of state have been forcibly overthrown - four of them killed in the process. Only 9 Haitian presidents have completed their terms by comparison, and that includes interim presidents who came to power after coups.

You can't blame America for that.

In fact, just about the ONLY period of stability in all of Haitian history was the U.S. occupation from 1915-34 (which is also when 4 of those 9 presidents served).

14 posted on 01/14/2010 4:47:28 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: Red Steel
Before the days of the World Wide Web while living in England, I would walk by the newsstands and actually laugh at this newspaper awaiting to be bought by some lib clown”

Guilty!
Believe it or not, I used to buy and read The Guardian for years, while living in England, long before the World Wide Web.
I know that newspaper and what they think pretty well.

15 posted on 01/14/2010 5:01:01 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: americanophile
scene of the first successful slave revolt

Gross historical error in first sentence. (How about Spartacus, among others?) Why should I read any more?

16 posted on 01/14/2010 5:05:17 PM PST by matt1234
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To: knews_hound; derllak; driftdiver; derekr44
Are you watching Bill O’Reilley?
He is calling it just right.
He said America has spent billions of dollars on Haiti since 1992, yet Haiti is worse off in today in 2010 than they were in 1992.
He is demanding to know where all those billions of your dollars went to.
17 posted on 01/14/2010 5:12:42 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: americanophile

here ya go...starts here....

http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/haiti/haiti99.htm


18 posted on 01/14/2010 5:15:50 PM PST by mo
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To: matt1234

Haiti need better leadership—in short a tyrant who could bring order and control the gangs and groups by force. They need a competent dictator who could rebuild the nation—A Juan Peron or Evita. Maybe we should take the place over and make it a “Commonwealth” like Porto Rico.


19 posted on 01/14/2010 5:17:48 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: americanophile

” Haiti has been treated as a basket case where corruption, gang violence and natural disaster combine to drag the country backwards.”

It has been treated that way because that is what it is. It doesn’t make the tragedy of the earthquake any less tragic. But the country was a basket case before the earthquake. It will almost certainly continue to be a basket case after it recovers.

But I don’t know why this has anything to do with the proper human response to a tragedy of this magnitude or why folks at the Guardian insist on seeing an earthquake as an occasion for lectures about imperialism blah blah blah.

They should take the ink wasted on this article, sell it, donate it to a charity that is actually doing something. At least a little something good would come from that.


20 posted on 01/14/2010 5:18:40 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: SmokingJoe

It went into someones pockets. Same place the UN money goes.


21 posted on 01/14/2010 5:19:08 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SmokingJoe

” Are you watching Bill O’Reilley? He is calling it just right. He said America has spent billions of dollars on Haiti since 1992, yet Haiti is worse off in today in 2010 than they were in 1992. He is demanding to know where all those billions of your dollars went to.”

Duh. It went into a bunch of dictators swiss bank accounts. Some of it went to buy Hummers for their henchmen. Some of it went to buy off the peasants with a pittance. Just like foreign aid to other dictatorships. None of it went into building the infrastructure of courts, land recordation, contract law etc necessary for a freer and more prosperous society.

Haiti would probably have done better without the aid.


22 posted on 01/14/2010 5:23:17 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: americanophile

"My palace collapsed. ... I can't live in the palace!

*** Haiti President Rene Preval, January 14th, 2010

***Actual quote

23 posted on 01/14/2010 5:25:27 PM PST by SkyPilot
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Ah, yes, we hurt Haiti with cheap rice imports in the 80's and now the answer is...wait for it...FREE rice imports! That is, after all, what this disaster relief will entail. It's wrong if we do it but God help us if we don't. And so the great minds of The Guardian's readership will be able to blame the U.S. either way, as usual.

Frankly it isn't worth the typing time to play their little game. These people are worthless slugs sniping from the sidelines while the first team is knee-deep in mud and blood. As usual.

24 posted on 01/14/2010 5:27:35 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: americanophile

It’s a disasster. But let’s be honest. Most people are too pissed off right now to really care.


25 posted on 01/14/2010 5:57:55 PM PST by AdaGray (uw)
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