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Haiti: enslaved by its dark history
The Telegraph ^ | 1/14/2008 | Ian Thomson

Posted on 01/14/2010 4:45:31 PM PST by bruinbirdman

For 200 years the Caribbean nation has suffered from natural disasters and violent rulers

By any standards, Haiti represents a very great concentration of misery and dashed hopes. In January 1804 – a key date in the history of a bedevilled country – the African slaves overthrew their French masters and declared the world’s first black republic. Haiti became an emblem of slavery’s longed-for abolition. And the slave leader, Toussaint L’Ouverture, was hailed by William Wordsworth, among other Romantics, as a “morning star” of the Americas.

Since independence, however, emperors, kings and presidents-for-life have misruled the Caribbean nation through violence and theft of public funds. The constitution is made of paper, they say, but the bayonet is made of steel.

In January 2004, I returned to Haiti for the first time in 13 years. Preparations were under way for the independence bicentenary, but no one felt much like celebrating. The capital, Port-au-Prince, looked even more dilapidated and the streets round Toussaint L’Ouverture airport appeared to have degenerated into a slum.

Familiar smells of drainage and burning rubbish hit me as I made my way to the Hotel Oloffson, a gingerbread mansion disguised as the “Hotel Trianon” in Graham Greene’s novel The Comedians. Laughably, a room had been named after me as the author of a book on Haiti, but I was unable to stay in it as the ceiling had warped dangerously.

By some fluke, the Hotel Oloffson survived Tuesday’s earthquake, but the National Palace nearby collapsed. A more graphic image of municipal chaos would be hard to imagine: the heart of Haiti’s national and civic life has been reduced to rubble.

Now more than ever, the motto of the Haitian republic, “L’Union Fait la Force” (Strength Through Union) seems a grim joke. For two centuries since

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: caribbean; earthquake; haiti; haitianearthquake; haitiearthquake; haitiquake; haitiquake2010; portauprince; voodoo
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1 posted on 01/14/2010 4:45:31 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Hey hows that Aparthied woring in south Africa?


2 posted on 01/14/2010 4:48:58 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Leaders who refuse to lead will be lead by the people)
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To: bruinbirdman

A bit like Detroit or Gary, IN but with more voodoo.


3 posted on 01/14/2010 4:50:12 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Frantzie
A bit like Detroit or Gary, IN but with more voodoo.

LOL -- You left out New Orleans.

4 posted on 01/14/2010 4:51:17 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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To: Frantzie

Yep....wherever the Amish become the majority the place goes to hell...LOL at the predictability of things


5 posted on 01/14/2010 4:53:47 PM PST by northwinds
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To: Tarpon

Same level of corruption, incompetence, fraud, misery, waste, etc etc. New Orleans has some of that voodoo.


6 posted on 01/14/2010 4:55:42 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: bruinbirdman

“Dark history”?! Where’s the “That’s Racist” kid?


7 posted on 01/14/2010 4:57:48 PM PST by scottinoc (Sarah Louise Palin, mmm mmm mmm)
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To: bruinbirdman
Funny, no one ever mentions why there are no white people in Haiti.
8 posted on 01/14/2010 5:00:40 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Frantzie

A few years before Katrina I was in New Orleans, looking at a business opportunity ... didn’t stay the night.

It’s sad people let themselves be done that way ... herded onto plantations.

But as the German people found out, silence is what causes it.


9 posted on 01/14/2010 5:01:15 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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To: bruinbirdman
Vodou also reflects the rage and ecstasy that threw off the shackles of slavery.

"Doh! They missed some."

I just grabbed off the first MSM report. I did not read the whole report or watch the video report.

One Reporter's Journey Reveals An Epidemic of Child Slavery in Haiti

10 posted on 01/14/2010 5:01:25 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Could Pat Robertson be right?


11 posted on 01/14/2010 5:02:23 PM PST by aSeattleConservative
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To: Tarpon

Good reason he left out New Orleans, New Orleans has food.


12 posted on 01/14/2010 5:08:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: scottinoc

Problem is they need a competent dictator or leadership that thinks that a few scraps should be tossed to the people. problem is—the leaders just look at Haiti as a cash cow and rip off as much as they can. Even communism or fascism would be an improvement.


13 posted on 01/14/2010 5:11:08 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: scottinoc

14 posted on 01/14/2010 5:11:35 PM PST by Radio Free Tuscaloosa (God Bless...America!! - Adm. Jeremiah Denton)
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To: bruinbirdman

Did anybody actually read this?

Here is a UK lib using historical data to back ROBERTSON.

Christian who are familar with caribbean missions KNOW the baggage that Haiti carries.


15 posted on 01/14/2010 5:12:00 PM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: Tarpon

Very sad. New post on how 30 years ago haiti grew enough rice to feed itself. I never knew that.


16 posted on 01/14/2010 5:14:27 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: bruinbirdman
Haiti was founded by African slaves who rebelled against their French overlords. They've had a grim time make a success of being a country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

17 posted on 01/14/2010 5:17:34 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mrs.Z
"Here is a UK lib using historical data to back ROBERTSON."

"Christian who are familar with caribbean missions KNOW the baggage that Haiti carries."

"Did anybody actually read this?"

Yep, 80% Catholic, 100% Vodou.

yitbos

18 posted on 01/14/2010 5:18:06 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman
"Familiar smells of drainage and burning rubbish hit me as I made my way to the Hotel Oloffson, a gingerbread mansion disguised as the “Hotel Trianon” in Graham Greene’s novel The Comedians."

Whoa! That brought back memories. The Oloffson. I can't believe it's stood this long. My father stayed there in the 1940s. I myself spent many an anxious night there in the Jeffrey Holder bungalow, hunkered down the darkness, listening to the staccato of automatic weapons, the screams of the dying, and the pounding of voodoo drums. If memory serves, it began as a U.S. Marine Corps hospital in the 1930s, and was later purchased by this crazy couple from Denmark (the Olaffsons), who bought it and turned it into a hotel. It could have been the setting for a great Alfred Hitchcock or Night of the Living Dead movie.
19 posted on 01/14/2010 5:19:56 PM PST by PowderMonkey (Will work for ammo.)
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To: Frantzie

Voodeo - Christians?


20 posted on 01/14/2010 5:21:14 PM PST by himno hero
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To: bruinbirdman

"My palace collapsed. ... I can't live in the palace!

Haiti President Rene Preval, January 14th, 2010

21 posted on 01/14/2010 5:22:10 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: bruinbirdman
Most of the paved roads in Haiti were built in the 20's and 30's by the United States. Our marines moved in and occupied the place in 1915 after the self-appointed dictator for life slaughtered 167 politicians from the opposition faction and sparked a revolt that basically burned Port Au Prince to the ground.

Haiti was a craphole before we got there, and it became a craphole again after we left. And yet they still find ways to blame America for it.

22 posted on 01/14/2010 5:22:19 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

***Even communism or fascism would be an improvement.***

It was pointed out in an article about thirty five years or so ago that Haiti is such a basket case even the commies would not touch it.

Anyone remember that under the Clinton administration, in order for Clinton to get American black political support for his assault rifle ban he had to promise $$$ to Haiti.


23 posted on 01/14/2010 5:22:43 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Are my guns loaded? Break in and find out.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Very interesting article. Thanks for posting.


24 posted on 01/14/2010 5:24:04 PM PST by PGalt
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To: northwinds

LMAO


25 posted on 01/14/2010 5:26:17 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: SkyPilot
"My palace collapsed. ... I can't live in the palace!" - Haiti President Rene Preval, January 14th, 2010

Wouldn't be the first time.

"My palace was just obliterated by the rebel army's cannons - round up and execute all my political enemies!" - Haiti President Vilbrun Sam, July 27, 1915

"My palace just blew up with me and all my troops inside! Maybe storing gunpowder in the basement wasn't such a good idea after all." - Haiti President Cincinnatus Leconte, August 8, 1912

"My palace just got burned to the ground by the mob, and now they're gonna execute me on the front lawn!" - Haiti President Sylvain Salnave, January 15, 1870

26 posted on 01/14/2010 5:28:06 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: bruinbirdman

Are we going to give them all credit cards and send them to Texas?

Hey Texas... are you ready for this??


27 posted on 01/14/2010 5:29:02 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: bruinbirdman

Good article.

Gadzooks... by morning the place will be up to the rafters in zombies.

(sorry. couldn’t resist.)


28 posted on 01/14/2010 5:29:11 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: aSeattleConservative

Robertson believes in a literal devil, which, unfortunately, most people do not. Voodoo is an abomination to God and the people who practice it are involved in a great sin. Serving the devil, in the guise of a twisted Catholicism is asking for trouble.


29 posted on 01/14/2010 5:39:55 PM PST by sueuprising
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To: Ramius

“Gadzooks... by morning the place will be up to the rafters in zombies”
I bet you are not the only one thinking that...hehe


30 posted on 01/14/2010 5:41:20 PM PST by sueuprising
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To: bruinbirdman

Someone please enlighten me, why isn’t the Dominican Republic as bad as Haiti? They are on the same island.


31 posted on 01/14/2010 5:44:34 PM PST by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-4-08 and all we got was a socialist thug and a dottering old fool.)
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To: sueuprising

Well said Sue.


32 posted on 01/14/2010 6:02:10 PM PST by aSeattleConservative
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To: SkyPilot


"I can't live in my palace...."

What a turd.
33 posted on 01/14/2010 6:08:55 PM PST by StormEye
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To: MissEdie

Gerat question to ask, it gets right to the ehart of the Issue. I believe that the Dominican Republic is largely Catholic and therefore somewhat if not mostly Christian. There is some occult influence there, but haiti is mostly Occultic or Santanna in religion.

Any nation where God is honored will be honored and protected by God. Where God is rejected, God has NO obligation to protect that nation or it’s peoples.

God would have spared Sodom and Gommorah if there weer ten righteous people there. If there were enough righteous Godly people in Haiti, He would have protected and spared it as well.

It is amazing that even the British press would recognize the Satanic natuer of Haiti when Britian as a nation is only about 1% Christian.

I have an evangelist friend who was born and raised in Britian and who is very well known world wide. He for a time ran a church here in Orlando before returning to Britian.

He shared with the church just how back sliden Britian is in it’s relationship with God.

I’ve recently received a few emails from my friend and he said that he will soon be returning here to plant another church. He stated that he is actively looking for a new venue to house the church.


34 posted on 01/14/2010 6:12:26 PM PST by dglang
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To: MissEdie

The DomRep was a Spanish colony, for better or worse, on a similar cultural track as Cuba or Puerto Rico.

Haiti was born of a slave rebellion in 1804, almost all of the whites were killed or driven off. Then they were set adrift in history for the 19th century, at least until after our civil war, as a bad example to our own slaves.

What emerged was a “tradition” (sic) of strongmen who do nothing but loot what they can for themselves, for as long as possible.

There is more, voodoo etc, but that’s a start.


35 posted on 01/14/2010 6:12:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: MissEdie
I've spent time in both places. The Domincans were smart enough to wall themselves off from the Haitians early on. Different as night and day. The Dominicans have a popular expression when things aren't’ going well. They say “Hey! At least we ain't Haiti!” As near as I can figure, it's the lasting effect of the French colonial presence. It's the same in Africa. Francophone West Africa is a dump compared to the former British and Dutch/German colonies in East and Southern Africa...not to mention that voodoo arrived in Haiti from West Africa, and has kept the Haitians mired in darkness and superstition ever since.
36 posted on 01/14/2010 6:14:15 PM PST by PowderMonkey (Will work for ammo.)
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To: himno hero
I believe Santeria is the proper word. Syncretism - Santeria And Voodoo Yet another important example of syncretism can be found in the Caribbean. As a result of the slave trade, a host of West African religious beliefs were transplanted to Cuba, Haiti, and other Caribbean islands, as well as to Brazil, in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. There, they intermingled with the Roman Catholicism of the slave masters and plantation owners. The result was a set of syncretistic religions, the most important of which are Santeria and Voodoo (or Vodou). Santeria took shape primarily in Cuba and reflects for the most part the beliefs of the Yoruba people, who live in what is now Nigeria. The focus of the Yoruba (and other West African belief systems) is upon a pantheon of deities called orishas. However, in Santeria, these figures are often identified—that is, syncretized—with Catholic saints. A good example is Changó, a male god of thunder, lightning, and fire, who is nevertheless identified with St. Barbara, a devout young woman who lived in the fourth century C.E. and who was beheaded by her father for refusing to give up her Christian faith and marry according to his wishes. At the moment of her beheading her father was struck by lightning, and this gave rise to a legend that St. Barbara had power over lightning bolts. Although Changó is a masculine orisha, the similarities between this legend and the Yoruba traditions about him led to the syncretism in question. Haitian Voodoo (more properly Vodou or Vodun) is similar to Santeria in a great many ways, both in its African heritage and when it comes to syncretism. Here, the West African deities, primarily from Benin and Dahomey, are called loa and are also usually identified with Roman Catholic saints. For example, the serpent loa, Damballah, is often identified with St. Patrick, drawing on the legend that the latter drove the snakes out of Ireland. Houngan, or Voodoo priests, have long since adopted elements of Roman Catholicism in Voodoo rituals, including the use of candles, bells, crosses, the practices of baptism, and making the sign of the cross. These Christian elements are intertwined with such African religious practices as drumming, dancing, ancestor worship, and spirit possession. Read more: Syncretism - Santeria And Voodoo http://science.jrank.org/pages/11388/Syncretism-Santeria-Voodoo.html#ixzz0cdzzPYBi Syncretism - Santeria And Voodoo
37 posted on 01/14/2010 6:29:20 PM PST by dglang
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To: Secret Agent Man

Haiti used to have food, corn used to be grown in large quantity there. The Dominican Republic has food. Weird how the two parts of Hispaniola have decidedly different societies. The Dominican Republic also has a booming tourist industry.

Same Island different results. Maybe they should dump their dictators, thugs and criminals because I think that might be their real problem.


38 posted on 01/14/2010 6:48:02 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Haiti used to be a big producer of corn, rice and other crops.


39 posted on 01/14/2010 6:48:56 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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To: dglang

Just joking, a spin on Judeo - Christian

Voo-deo Christian

At the end of the day, they rely on voo-doo not Christianity.
If Africa they have merged a lot of things and frequently you see Islam married to their voodoo.... their juju. The witch doctor is politically tied to their eman.

Thats why they couple the slaughtering of sheep for sacrifice and subsequent bar be que.


40 posted on 01/14/2010 6:52:44 PM PST by himno hero
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To: PowderMonkey
"I've spent time in both places. The Domincans were smart enough to wall themselves off from the Haitians early on."

How do the Dominicans keep the Haitians out? Is there a mountain range or what? Seems like they would all come flooding over.

41 posted on 01/14/2010 7:12:25 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: bruinbirdman
Haiti has indulged itself in one superstitious enthusiasm after another throughout its history, its recent dip into the waters of Aristide's socialist hokum being quite as ignorant and bloodthirsty as anything that ever came from Voudon. Put a bowler hat on a bust of Karl Marx and they'd be leaving rum and cigars at its foot; in short, behaving not one whit differently from their brethren on any Western campus.

But this is, after all, a 7.0 earthquake, and there isn't a city anywhere on the planet that wouldn't have been crushed. Turning Port-au-Prince into Copenhagen isn't what we're there for. Anyone expecting that outcome has been nipping at Baron Samedi's rum. We can dig them out of the rubble but they're going to have to dig themselves out of the enervating muck that hatred has made of their country over the past two centuries - hatred of the white, hatred of their neighbors, hatred of one another. It can't be given to them, not even under the auspices of disaster relief. They have to build it for themselves.

42 posted on 01/14/2010 7:39:49 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: aSeattleConservative
Could Pat Robertson be right?

Nope. Look at which demographic group has the highest rate of church attendence and which professions have the highest percentage of non-believers. I'm sure the scientists are being smited all over the place, while the churchgoing ghetto dwellers are being rewarded...

43 posted on 01/14/2010 7:43:02 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: MissEdie

DR is also populated predominantly by folks of African descent, but because they have some white blood, they don’t consider themselves black. A Dominican may look like Will Smith, but “black” to him is the illegal Haitian begging in the streets.


44 posted on 01/14/2010 7:44:19 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

DR has had a large problem with illegal Haitians for years. This is why so many “Dominicans” these days have French last names. Trujillo (a child-molesting letch and self-hating Halfrican) tried to rectify the situation by well, machine gunning the Haitian squatters (something I don’t support by any means), which led to him getting toppled with the help of the Kennedy Administration.


45 posted on 01/14/2010 7:46:49 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: UnwashedPeasant; PowderMonkey

DR has had a large problem with illegal Haitians for years. This is why so many “Dominicans” these days have French last names. Trujillo (a child-molesting letch and self-hating Halfrican) tried to rectify the situation by well, machine gunning the Haitian squatters (something I don’t support by any means), which led to him getting toppled with the help of the Kennedy Administration.


46 posted on 01/14/2010 7:47:11 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: aSeattleConservative

In his own inartful way—yes.


47 posted on 01/14/2010 7:47:52 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: Clemenza
"Look at which demographic group has the highest rate of church attendence..."

Ummmm...people of decency?

"...which professions have the highest percentage of non-believers."

Don't tell me...it's coming to me (aSeattleConservative raises his hand with an answer)

Abortionists, drag queens, pornographers, drug addicts, alcoholics.

48 posted on 01/14/2010 8:02:17 PM PST by aSeattleConservative
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To: rabidralph

Art is in the eye of the beholder. Anyone that can make the libs clench their jaws so much that they have permanent TMJ, is ok in my book.


49 posted on 01/14/2010 8:04:50 PM PST by aSeattleConservative
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Anyone remember that under the Clinton administration, in order for Clinton to get American black political support for his assault rifle ban he had to promise $$$ to Haiti.

I do. Thanks for bringing that up.

I sat alert for a massive air armada invasion fleet that was literally turned around in mid-air when Jimmy Carter (working as a stooge for Clinton) convinced the Haitians to change leadership. Then, we all flew in there anyway, and spent billions upon billions.

I was appalled at the corruption, dirt, and violence there, but then again - it was better than Somalia (Somalia was the worst).

I flew many more missions in the C-141 back into there. I vividly remember one where we were preparing for a visit by VP Al Gore.

The taxiways at the airport literally had pineapples lining them, everything had been rebuilt and painted, and the airport looked almost brand new - a sharp contrast from a few months earlier.

Soon after wards, the country fell back into crap.

50 posted on 01/15/2010 3:00:10 AM PST by SkyPilot
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