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Honore: U.S. military should have reached Haiti sooner
cnn ^ | 01/14/10 | cnn

Posted on 01/15/2010 4:39:13 AM PST by TornadoAlley3

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To: TornadoAlley3

Obama hates poor black people. Look at how at how he treats his brother George. No surprise here.


51 posted on 01/15/2010 5:34:49 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: abb
If Bush was president the NYT would find a way to photograph every Haitian kid dying of thirst and all the dead and dying would be his fault because Republicans hate black people.

But if Bush was President things would be moving quietly and quickly due to lessons learned from Katrina, the faith based NGO’s would have full support from the WH, and the military would have a more competent leader- wouldn't they.

52 posted on 01/15/2010 5:36:06 AM PST by silverleaf
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To: screaminsunshine
We should donate money food and water and let the UN handle it.

Half the country would be dead of starvation and dehydration waiting for the UN to pull it's head out if it's butt and get things organized.

53 posted on 01/15/2010 5:38:22 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mefistofelerevised

All of them...what, you think France wants them back??


54 posted on 01/15/2010 5:38:55 AM PST by magritte ("I will give this monkey for lunch to Mr Sata,")
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To: bvw
Any GOP man or woman would have known the need for immediate action, within 3 minutes of the initial reports.

Absolutely. And to their credit, CNN dispatched a team immediately. Once the news came through of a 7.0 hitting an island like Haiti, anyone with a brain immediately knew there would be massive devastation and death.

55 posted on 01/15/2010 5:46:09 AM PST by jersey117
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To: jersey117

Right, if CNN knew to move right away, where the hell was Obama? Busy planning his next family vacation? Listening to Rahm and Axelrod explain who the beat-downs of on-the-fence Democrat Congressmen were coming in the blacked out backrooms of the ‘healthcare’ bill?


56 posted on 01/15/2010 5:54:50 AM PST by bvw
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To: All

They’d have been there two days before it happened if George Bush’s dog hadn’t eaten 0bama’s homework.


57 posted on 01/15/2010 5:56:14 AM PST by KarinG1 (They should put the terror watch list online so we'd know who to drag out and feed to the gators.)
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To: HD1200

“That is why we have the UN and their “blue helmets”. It isn’t America’s fault the UN isn’t capable.”

We all know the answer to that. The UN isn’t capable of changing a litter box.

If it needs to be done and done right; the our military will have to do it.
There is no government in Haiti it appears, no security at all; there is nothing.
Bottom line if we want the relief to come and supplies to be distributed; things have be secured.

The big question; is how long do we have to stay? Hopefully our people can get out quickly.

I don’t half of Haiti moving to the US. Lets get it secured, get the supplies, and help people out.
Then let’s get out; and keep the Haitians in Haiti. We don’t want them all moving to Florida.


58 posted on 01/15/2010 5:58:07 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: grobdriver
The first two flights were a free-for-all. I was dodging choppers and C-130s once west of Lake Charles.

Thanks for that. I, like many everyday Americans, was unaware of what was going on there.

Was a mess...

One airport, one useable runway, tower in shambles.....recipe for disaster. Here's hoping the US military will have this straightened out quickly in Haiti.

(not a pilot so I had to look up TFR };^)

59 posted on 01/15/2010 6:00:21 AM PST by Roccus (ABLE DANGER?????...................What's an ABLE DANGER???)
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To: screaminsunshine
While I agree this is a nightmare, I don't think Obama has a choice but to take the lead in Haitian recovery.

This is HIS Katrina, & the whole world, rightly or wrongly, will see it that way. Americans will see it that way. I see it that way.

There is no other country in the region capable of even making a difference. To cede this responsibility to the UN is to insure the deaths of thousands more Haitians. Even BHO knows this.

Furthermore, the MSM is giving this disaster big coverage. If the supplies continue to pile up at the airport while the people continue to starve, the MSM will find somebody to blame & it will not be Bush.

Like it or not, Obama & the USA own this disaster, by proximity & ability to help. I sincerely hope he employs speedy, effective, & maximum effort to help Haiti. But I have serious doubts about his ability & inclination to do this right.

60 posted on 01/15/2010 6:04:39 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: screaminsunshine

An aircraft carrier is the ideal answer to this. It has a functioning airport, a hospital, and it produces fresh water.


61 posted on 01/15/2010 6:30:13 AM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: grobdriver

You raise excellent points; General Honore should know better. After the earthquake, the Port-au-Prince Airport was without power; no lights, no radar, no ATC. I’m guessing that everyone was operating on the “big sky, little airplane” theory. The fact that a number of flights made it into Haiti—without an accident—is a testament to the skill of the crews. I also give the FAA minor kudos for wisely halting flights into Port-au-Prince as the airfield became congested.

I’d also like to know how many Haitian controllers stayed on the job after the quake. With no power—and worries about their families—I’m sure that many of them headed home. That’s one reason the first two USAF aircraft to arrive (MC-130s out of Hurlburt) were carrying a number of combat controllers. They’re best known for directing airstrikes in support of ground forces, but they’re also fully-qualified air traffic controllers. For pilots flying into Port-au-Prince, that “voice on the other end” is probably an Air Force combat controller, or other military air traffic controllers.

I only hope they don’t decide to add UAVs to the mix (beyond Global Hawk, which flies 30,000 feet above everyone else). The FAA was adamant about no UAVs after Katrina, and they should hold the line this time. There will be a few near-misses in the skies above Haiti until the ATC situation is straightened out. Pilots don’t need to worry about dodging UAVs along with other aircraft.


62 posted on 01/15/2010 6:32:46 AM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
That's exactly how I take it. He's not just sticking it in BO’s eye, he's sticking it in all the left wing loons eye that thought nothing was fast enough with Katrina.
63 posted on 01/15/2010 6:58:46 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Mister Da

He will you need have no doubt. However he will not leave. He will stay and atay and stay.


64 posted on 01/15/2010 7:45:15 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: TornadoAlley3

There is ONE damaged airport...Where does the general think those planes should have landed?

The port is basically destroyed- IF a ship can get there- the system for offloading cargo is destroyed- How does the general think that cargo can get offloaded?

Perhaps by breaking pallets down into smaller sizes and forming a ‘bucket brigade’ of refugees moving the goods, but the photo I saw of the port didn’t lead me to believe that a ship of any size could get close enough for a gangplank to be deployed.

What are we missing?


65 posted on 01/15/2010 7:46:01 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: sig226

3 million people. 10 million after the adoption papers are signed.


66 posted on 01/15/2010 7:46:54 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: TornadoAlley3

“Planes can be in and out in half an hour”.

As many as 8 planes at a time were circling, waiting to land. I can only think that there were NO WORKERS to offload the planes if it was taking longer than the general is thinking it should have.


67 posted on 01/15/2010 7:47:57 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
It is a mess, but why can't helicopters drop food and water to people?
68 posted on 01/15/2010 7:48:19 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: ridesthemiles

And the planes have to bring in enough fuel to leave. Fueling facilities are out of commission at the airport.


69 posted on 01/15/2010 7:50:18 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: TornadoAlley3

It is a mess, but why can’t helicopters drop food and water to people?”

What is the distance from Florida to Haiti?

A helo would have to use alot of fuel to get there one way- loaded with goods—and refueling from a totally damaged airport would not necessarily be feasible. I sure would not want to be the pilot depending on possibly comtaminated fuel to get back to Florida.

I also don’t know how much chaos would be created by ‘dropping food & water’ for a small number of persons into the huge numbers which are displaced by this quake.

It does take some time to organize things, but our military is good at getting things done-—when the politicians stay out of their way.


70 posted on 01/15/2010 8:00:20 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: TornadoAlley3

I understand it is hard getting supplies into Haiti because of the damaged ports and airport; so why don’t we drop by parachute the needed supplies? Any ideas?


71 posted on 01/15/2010 8:11:39 AM PST by ncpatriot
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To: screaminsunshine
I'm not as sure as you that Obama will “stay” very long in Haiti.

Haiti is not a place where success stories are easily made. It has quagmire written all over it - Obama’s quagmire.

This could easily become an unwelcome & costly distraction from his domestic agenda. I doubt he wants that.

He will turn over responsibility to the UN at first opportunity, to the detriment of the Haitians. The difficulty is that if he hands over to the UN when things are still chaotic, he looks like he failed. But the longer he waits, the more burdensome it becomes.

Remember, the UN was there long before the earthquake. It was a shiite hole then & it will just be a worse shiite hole now.

For the immediate future though, Haiti is his to screw up.

72 posted on 01/15/2010 8:15:36 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: ridesthemiles

I thought maybe they had helicopters in Haiti already, and fuel there, I am not being critical, just asking. I know it is a tough job that takes time.


73 posted on 01/15/2010 8:16:44 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Don't think for a minute that Honore is one of us.

He likes to be in the spotlight with provocative blatherings, though.

Leni

74 posted on 01/15/2010 8:21:01 AM PST by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: silverleaf
“God Bless Honore- he should be in there right now!”

Why? If I remember correctly there was much bitching and moaning about how slow aid was arriving after Katrina and he was in charge of that so, it sounds to me like he sucks at being in charge of relief efforts. Maybe he should just STFU.

75 posted on 01/15/2010 9:16:56 AM PST by monday
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To: monday
ahem

the delay was in figuring out how to use the 82d airborne in a domestic disaster, with their arms, in a security control role ... to go in and disarm civilians to allow rescue workers access to neighborhoods - remember those hoods shooting at the rescue teams, looting, and besieging the hospitals, with the phantom Ray Nagin NO police force that failed to show up?

posse comitatus and all that

and working out lines of authority between civilian and military, state and feds. Gov Blanco was less than no help, she resisted turning over her NG units to Pres Bush and the feds but then cried and moaned for them to come help her

Surely with all the command and control issues among FEMA, National Guards, US military and the NO police- You dont think Gen Honore was in control of the timing of his deployment?

76 posted on 01/15/2010 9:57:59 AM PST by silverleaf
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To: Mister Da

You forget his book. “White mans greed cause a world in need”...”Passing cruise ships throw away enough food to feed Haiti for a week”..BHO quotes. He will adopt. The perfect way to redistribute white wealth to needy blacks.


77 posted on 01/15/2010 10:41:56 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: TornadoAlley3

78 posted on 01/15/2010 10:53:02 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: TornadoAlley3

CNN addressed this last night. It would become a mob scene within minutes.


79 posted on 01/15/2010 11:02:14 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Gates just signed orders TODAY to get ships with cranes there to clear port. 8 days after the quake.


80 posted on 01/20/2010 7:05:52 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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