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Officials: Pentagon report faults Hasan's bosses (8 face disciplinary action)
Belleville News Democrat ^ | 1/14/2010 | Anne Gearan

Posted on 01/15/2010 6:13:28 AM PST by markomalley

As many as eight Army officers could face discipline for failing to do anything when the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood rampage displayed erratic behavior early in his military career, two officials familiar with the case said.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates was expected to refer findings on the officers to the Army for further inquiry and possible punishment. The report on what went wrong in the case of Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, who is accused in the shootings that killed 13 people at the Texas Army base on Nov. 5, is expected to be released Friday.

Several midlevel officers overlooked or failed to act on red flags in Hasan's lax work habits and fixation on religion, the officials said Thursday. Hasan was an odd duck and a loner who was passed along from office to office and job to job despite professional failings that included missed or failed exams and physical fitness requirements, the review found.

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An official familiar with both documents detailed their findings on condition of anonymity because the larger unclassified report has not yet been released, and the one dealing with Hasan in detail will not be publicly released.

Earlier, another official familiar with the findings said the five- to eight officers who could face discipline were supervisors who knew about Hasan's shortcomings and looked the other way or who did not fully reflect concerns about Hasan in professional evaluations.

The officers supervised Hasan when he was a medical student and during his early work as an Army psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington.

(Excerpt) Read more at bnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: accountability; army; hasan; rop
So I guess they've found their scapegoats.

Before you flame, consider this: mid-level officers who ignored this did wrong, no doubt. But are they any more guilty than the flag officers, SES's, and political appointees who established the politically correct atmosphere that has hampered the military's effectiveness for years? Yet the latter group will, without a doubt, not face ANY retribution.

1 posted on 01/15/2010 6:13:29 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

These are probably the officers who sent the warning messages to the Pentagon about Hasan. I would not doubt.

CYA Maneuvers.


2 posted on 01/15/2010 6:14:53 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: GeronL
You're likely quite right.

Don't tell us there isn't a "political" coverup. We're not stupid.

So now we're gonna go to jail because we engage in PC???

Mr. Obama....You first!!

3 posted on 01/15/2010 6:19:49 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: markomalley

This is pure Barbara Streisand!!

Here is what the politicians did..

DO NOT profile...
DO NOT preach in Jesus Name but STAY CLEAR of the Muslims and let them do what they want...
YOU MUST honor and respect Muslims even when they act suspicious...

Then...
WHAT? He killed people...well you are obviously to blame...you must suffer for our pathetic liberal worldview. Tag...you're the scapegoat!

4 posted on 01/15/2010 6:20:29 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: markomalley

Seems to me it does give a go-ahead, in the future, for officers to report this sort of thing without fear of retribution? Or is that pie-in-the-sky?


5 posted on 01/15/2010 6:21:08 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: markomalley

Exactly so!!! Remember the stupid comment by the army’s top general after the Ft. Hood terrorist incident? I, too, suspect that the army was flooded by a pervading PC mentality vis a vis muslims just as they have since the mid 70s in reference to females in the army.


6 posted on 01/15/2010 6:21:13 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: markomalley

There is an up side. First, if any of the whistle blowers are named, the stench will be all over the nets to the point that the show trials will be a prosecution of the prosecutors. And, second, punishing this PC inaction will inoculate those who find themselves in need of “bypassing the chain of command” to expose their PC bosses.

Liberalism is a series of unintended consequences. It only requires someone with a willingness to exploit them. If you doubt me, just take note of the underlying incident.


7 posted on 01/15/2010 6:22:44 AM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: markomalley

Hey wait...is the CIC one of them????


8 posted on 01/15/2010 6:23:14 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: markomalley
... despite professional failings that included missed or failed exams and physical fitness requirements, the review found.

This sounds like there were good reasons to stop his advancement that had nothing to do with his Islamic ravings, and therefore would not have left them open to PC criticism had they held him to the standards to which they supposedly hold everyone.

9 posted on 01/15/2010 6:23:41 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: markomalley

No doubt these officers had “diversity” and “tolerance” pounded into their skulls. They got the message. Now they will pay the price for the policies established by others.

I’d even bet that in several of those training sessions post 9/11 that a “vocal Muslim” was used in a case study to show them how to properly behave.


10 posted on 01/15/2010 6:24:39 AM PST by PogySailor (We're so screwed.....welcome to the American Oligarchy)
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To: La Lydia

“and therefore would not have left them open to PC criticism had they held him to the standards to which they supposedly hold everyone.”
Au contraire! Can’t do that as you’d get in trouble for picking on a muzzie. If any branch of the military wants a particular program to pass, it will pass regardless of the end result. Remember the female carrier pilot incident? When I was in the army a new program of putting women in the field with a field unit was tried. It was an abject failure. The army called it a success.


11 posted on 01/15/2010 6:30:26 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: markomalley
I think the political correctness that led to, if not actually caused, this massacre has long been official and thus mandated policy. The makers of that policy deserve a year or so in the stockade to contemplate their sins.

It's long past time that pentagon suits and gold braid bureaucrats paid a heavy personal price for their dysfunctional and fuzzy social engineering and were reminded of the primary mission of America's military. To punish the mid-level officers and NCO's who dutifully obeyed orders and implimented that wrong headed policy compounds the problem. Don't publish the soldier for following orders; punish the people up the chain who gave the orders.

12 posted on 01/15/2010 6:32:10 AM PST by Mobties
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To: markomalley
I disagree with you.

This is a positive move compared to the DOJ’s refusal to investigate the black panther incident.

13 posted on 01/15/2010 6:34:24 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: markomalley
Where does the buck stop on this one? He was promoted to Major in March of 2009 and Obama was Commander in Chief at that time. The Bush admin has some responsibility but Bush isn't CIC now.
14 posted on 01/15/2010 6:34:30 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: markomalley

But are they any more guilty than the flag officers, SES’s, and political appointees who established the politically correct atmosphere that has hampered the military’s effectiveness for years?

Going ever further just who and how did this mess descend on the US military, and who by name in the military or in government was the instigator. My sense is, the issue of women in the military is where it began which preceded the homosexual issue or was close enough to it to be concurrent issues. The early eighties as I recall, which coincided with the first female Military Academy graduates.


15 posted on 01/15/2010 6:35:16 AM PST by wita
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To: markomalley

Damned if you do... Damned if you don’t...


16 posted on 01/15/2010 6:37:33 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: markomalley

I love anonymous sources.


17 posted on 01/15/2010 6:37:49 AM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: markomalley

Why is the base commander not being brought up on charges?He left his troops defenceless.He should have painted bullseye targets on their uniforms since he didn’t allow them to defend themselves.

A base full of Army troops and the only people defending the base were the MP’s.That’s a recipie for disaster.


18 posted on 01/15/2010 6:39:23 AM PST by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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To: markomalley
You're exactly right. It was the senior officers who set the tone, who made mid-level officers adhere to PC.
19 posted on 01/15/2010 6:39:29 AM PST by ryan71 (TERM LIMITS)
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To: petitfour
I love anonymous sources.

We would be 'in the dark' if it were not for this anonymous person. ;-)

20 posted on 01/15/2010 6:41:22 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: markomalley

What would you expect when the POTUS is a Muslim.


21 posted on 01/15/2010 6:45:46 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: markomalley

Yes, they’ve found their political scapegoats but these guys somewhat deserve what they are getting. I saw it all the time during my career. They knew the right thing to do, some of them attempted to do the right thing but under pressure from above they put their careers above the right thing and went with the flow. They weren’t smart enough to see that if something bad happened that they would be directly held responsible. Maybe they will be inspired to now tell the real coverup story.


22 posted on 01/15/2010 6:47:28 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: markomalley
In the entire history of weasel-worded reports, this "report" wins the gold medal.

What, pray tell, is the purpose of the report if it doesn't even attempt to answer the question which is purportedly the entire reason for the report?

My head's going to explode.

The report does not answer whether intervention by one of Hasan's superiors might have prevented the shootings, one official said. It is possible that full knowledge by some superiors or a more proactive response to disturbing aspects of Hasan's behavior could have either helped him or gotten him fired, that official said, but there is no clear evidence that anything would have been different.

23 posted on 01/15/2010 6:49:16 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: markomalley

Scapegoats maybe, but also guilty as hell if they observed the behavior I believe they did.


24 posted on 01/15/2010 6:49:51 AM PST by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: puppypusher

You do know that loaded weapons are not stacked for ready access in garrison barracks anymore and have not been for a long time. We had a barracks armory in my barracks in the early 70s, but that was strictly controlled and the weapons and ammunition were kept separate. There are definitely good reasons for this.


25 posted on 01/15/2010 6:51:08 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

Maybe the accused will get off with more “diversity training” and “PC training”. This all smells of the usual CYA maneuver.


26 posted on 01/15/2010 6:55:53 AM PST by hal ogen
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To: markomalley
mid-level officers who ignored this did wrong, no doubt. But are they any more guilty than the flag officers, SES's, and political appointees who established the politically correct atmosphere that has hampered the military's effectiveness for years? Yet the latter group will, without a doubt, not face ANY retribution.

General Casey's statement comes to mind:

"What happened at Fort Hood is a tragedy, and I believe it would be a greater tragedy if diversity became a casualty here."
27 posted on 01/15/2010 6:58:21 AM PST by Girlene
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To: PogySailor

My thoughts exactly.

Let’s see if this comes out in their courtsmartial.


28 posted on 01/15/2010 6:59:26 AM PST by Pecos
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To: RJS1950

You’re right! The scapegoats now have nothing to lose by telling the world what really happened.


29 posted on 01/15/2010 7:09:40 AM PST by Joan912 (currently amoungst the ranks of the unemployed...)
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To: markomalley

CIC is at fault. Buck starts and stops there.


30 posted on 01/15/2010 7:15:10 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Sacajaweau

They would have been punished if they had violated PC by doing something about this guy.


31 posted on 01/15/2010 7:16:29 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: markomalley

This hysterical obcession over perceived ‘profiling’ will result in Jihadists in postions of trust and broken airliners full of dead Americans.


32 posted on 01/15/2010 7:25:22 AM PST by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: La Lydia
This sounds like there were good reasons to stop his advancement that had nothing to do with his Islamic ravings, and therefore would not have left them open to PC criticism had they held him to the standards to which they supposedly hold everyone.

It depends on which minority is protected. From all indications, Muslims in the Armed Forces were/are labeled "hands off." Therefore, it didn't matter what the complaint was, including basic competence.

An official report just might have been a career-ender for a supervisor, so it's ironic that the need for scapegoats may have the same result.

33 posted on 01/15/2010 7:45:20 AM PST by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Exactly so!!! Remember the stupid comment by the army’s top general after the Ft. Hood terrorist incident?

General George Casey

34 posted on 01/15/2010 8:27:38 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "the Thrilla from Wasilla")
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To: markomalley

I guess when it comes to Muslim fanatics, the don’t ask, don’t tell policy also applies.


35 posted on 01/15/2010 8:45:23 AM PST by OCC
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

I see that the general does not have the CIB, and according to wikipedia never served as a combat leader. Further, he was in favor of U.S. troop drawdowns while he was in charge in Iraq, and basically presided over the failure leading up to General Patraeaus(sp)taking over. He was also against the surge.
The man is a political hack, evidently knows dick about successful war strategy, and is no leader. In short, a perfect drone for obama’s purposes.


36 posted on 01/15/2010 11:37:10 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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