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Gates rules out airdropping aid for fear of riots
Stars and Stripes ^ | January 16, 2010 | By Jeff Schogol,

Posted on 01/15/2010 6:23:42 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

ARLINGTON, Va. — Top defense officials have ruled out airdropping food, water and medical supplies over Haiti, fearing that chaos would be the unintended result.

“It seems to me that without having any structure on the ground, in terms of distribution, that an airdrop is simply going to lead to riots as people try and go after that stuff,” said Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Friday.

On Thursday, an Air Force official said that a lack of fuel and equipment was slowing air operations at the Port-au-Prince airport.

The first of the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson’s 19 helicopters have since arrived in the Haitian capital, and they will be critical to distributing relief supplies, Gates said.

A force of between 9,000 and 10,000 U.S. servicemembers is on its way to Haiti, said Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

A large portion of those troops will remain on ships off the island’s coast, but the Defense Department is “poised” to send more ground forces if the head of U.S. Southern Command and the commander on the ground feel it’s necessary, Mullen said.

U.S. troops’ primary mission will be to deliver relief supplies, not provide security, Gates said.

Right now, the security situation in Haiti “remains OK,” he said.

“The key is to get the food and the water in there as quickly as possible, so that people don’t in their desperation turn to violence,” he said.

The 2,000 Marines headed to Haiti are capable of conducting a variety of missions ranging from humanitarian relief to combat operations, said Capt. Clark Carpenter, a spokesman for the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit.

“We’ll be able to support any number of things that come at us,” Carpenter said Friday. “We’re able to support more than just the relief effort, if that’s necessary.”

The Marines are expected to arrive off Haiti next week.

When asked if the U.S. response to the Haitian earthquake is moving quickly enough, Gates said he did not see how it could have been faster.

“There are just some certain facts of life that affect how quickly you can do some of these things,” he said. “The collapse of the infrastructure in Haiti, the small size of the airport, the time it takes a ship to get from Point A to Point B — those are all just facts of life,” he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: bhosecdef; bobgates; haitiquake; haitiquake2010; haitirelief; humanitarianrelief; usnavy; usscarlvinson
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1 posted on 01/15/2010 6:23:43 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

If you do airdrop supplies, you’ll have to drop in about a hundred Army Rangers ahead of the supplies.


2 posted on 01/15/2010 6:24:40 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jet Jaguar

Sounds like a perfect opportunity to send in community organizers. Isn’t that their job description?


3 posted on 01/15/2010 6:25:24 PM PST by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I have a strong feeling Pres. Bush would have been in there by now.

He would have known who to talk to...and would have done it effectively.

Bush cuts red tape...Ozero creates it.

4 posted on 01/15/2010 6:27:05 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Jet Jaguar

Do the drops and keep coming back. Once the people have the commodities in large numbers and understand that help is not going to leave them in the lurch, things should be OK. This riot stuff is more drama queen than anything else.


5 posted on 01/15/2010 6:28:16 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Jet Jaguar

supply and demand. just “drop” in overwhelming force to outnumber the demand. carpet bomb the place with provisions.


6 posted on 01/15/2010 6:29:01 PM PST by dubie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

So Gates is racist. He’s saying Blacks cannot share.


7 posted on 01/15/2010 6:29:39 PM PST by omega4179 (Marco2010)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Well gee whiz, when the relief workers couldn’t get into N.O. after Katrina, it was all Bush’s fault for not coming to the rescue fast enough. With the obutt everything is hunky dory. Some things are just the facts of life.


8 posted on 01/15/2010 6:29:46 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Jet Jaguar

Gates rules out airdropping aid for fear of riots
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Yeah, I guess he prefers their deaths by thirst,hunger and a lack of basic meds like asprin.

Unbelievable.


9 posted on 01/15/2010 6:29:55 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Obama will sink as fast as he rose. Idolatry will not succeed. Be patient, folks...)
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To: Jet Jaguar

"It's a helicopter, and it's coming this way. It's flying something behind it, I can't quite make it out, it's a large banner and it says, uh - Happy... Thaaaaanksss... giving! ... From ... W ... K ... R... P!! No parachutes yet. Can't be skydivers... I can't tell just yet what they are, but - Oh my God, Johnny, they're turkeys!! Johnny, can you get this? Oh, they're plunging to the earth right in front of our eyes! One just went through the windshield of a parked car! Oh, the humanity! The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! Not since the Hindenburg tragedy has there been anything like this!"

10 posted on 01/15/2010 6:30:04 PM PST by isthisnickcool (GIVE ME YOUR MONEY B***!! - President Obama)
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To: dfwgator
We air-dropped supplies into Kurdish territory after Desert Storm. GHW Bush had stirred up the Kurds and given them false hope, which was crushed by Saddams's troops. To make matters worse we tried to cover our ass by dropping pallets of supplies, some of which landed on and killed waiting Kurds. That was kind of like Bush's swan song in 1992. Might have called it Operation FUBAR.
11 posted on 01/15/2010 6:31:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Siena Dreaming

“I have a strong feeling Pres. Bush would have been in there by now.”

I know what you mean.

Maybe Obama should confer with School Bus Nagin?

Truth Detector: Louisiana Incompetence Becomes More and More Obvious

This is Ray “School Bus” Nagin and he’s on CNN’s American Morning today and Miles O’Brien says to him, “So you won’t be relying on buses or mass ...

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12 posted on 01/15/2010 6:31:44 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Gates rules out airdropping aid for fear of riots

For once in his life I think he might be right. Not to mention that the strongest would collect the dropped items and sell them to the weakest (by whatever means).

13 posted on 01/15/2010 6:33:03 PM PST by doc1019 (To call Obama a bumbling idiot would be an insult to bumbling idiots worldwide.)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Should have been air dropping supplies within the first 24 hours. The banality and stupidity of this administration is almost incomprehensible. The global banking powers will soon have this situation right where they want it.


14 posted on 01/15/2010 6:33:10 PM PST by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Smart


15 posted on 01/15/2010 6:33:10 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Jet Jaguar
“It seems to me that without having any structure on the ground, in terms of distribution> Yet Obama and his minions are going to send 100 million dollars to them.
16 posted on 01/15/2010 6:35:58 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: dfwgator

Why? Bill Clinton already did that.

Maybe we should use the American military to make third world countries UN protectorates. Look what happens.


17 posted on 01/15/2010 6:41:07 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: dfwgator

Why? Bill Clinton already did that.

Maybe we shouldn’t use the American military to make third world countries UN protectorates. Look what happens.


18 posted on 01/15/2010 6:41:22 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: dfwgator

Correct in #18


19 posted on 01/15/2010 6:42:19 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: varina davis

It’s a UN protectorate. What’s the UN doing I wonder?


20 posted on 01/15/2010 6:45:02 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Jet Jaguar

The first object of attention should be how the Haitian people previously ran their water works.

It either comes from well water, surface water, or desalinization.

In any of these cases, all they need is a generator to provide electrical power for a pump, a reservoir or even temp tanks, and some pipe to a distribution point.

Where it connects up to existing distribution systems, and slowly brought back on line, great.

If it means they simply supply water at each utility district on the island, great.

If there are multiple cisterns holding fresh water, then great, it is more distributed, and perhaps they have to use a rope and bucket, instead of a gas or diesel powered pump.

The people will not die of starvation or dehydration.

In the shantytowns, the people are probably more adept at surviving the lack of public utilities than those accustomed to living in subdivisions.

Sending over pallets of bottled water is like sending Marines into WWII pacific beach landings using water wings and canoes from the California coastline. It’s off by several to five orders of magnitude in the volume of daily replenishment required in a population this size.

It is much better to get the ports back into operation and use the existing culture to bring their workforce back on line.

At this point in time, the larger risk are a bunch of international do-gooders attempting to fight a forest fire with a garden hose, and concurrently encouraging all Haitians that they are victims who must depend upon others.


21 posted on 01/15/2010 6:46:33 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Bernard
You need a community organizer who would be accepted and respected by the populace. Someone with international recognition- maybe a Nobel Prize. He would have to stay there a long time- 3 years at least.
22 posted on 01/15/2010 6:47:18 PM PST by Ragnar54
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To: Bernard
Sounds like a perfect opportunity to send in community organizers. Isn’t that their job descriptio

That's just immortal.

Kudos.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

23 posted on 01/15/2010 6:48:32 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Ragnar54

I always thought that appointing Bill Clinton to be Ambassador to Haiti would be the perfect assignment for that man. Maybe he could actually improve things there.


24 posted on 01/15/2010 6:52:41 PM PST by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: varina davis
Should have been air dropping supplies within the first 24 hours

Thousands of little parachutes, 10lb payload.

25 posted on 01/15/2010 7:01:41 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Deathcare...a solution desperately looking for a problem.)
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To: ColdOne
Roads are impassible. Roving gangs with Machetes threaten. Bodies everywhere, getting ripe. I'm sure the tropical insects have gorged on their carcasses and are loaded to the gills with disease and filth. Contagion is a foregone conclusion (Haiti was the AIDS capitol in the hemisphere before the quake - I doubt it got better). There is no safe water, safe shelter, or sanitary facility anywhere. What are we sending our troops into?

Bypass all of it. Tell the populace we'll deliver supplies to the beach, Haiti has plenty of those and they still work just fine. Unload directly from the ships onto the beach, using landing craft and LCAC's, out in the open and under the guns of our warships.

Tell the Haitians "get to the beach if you can, and we'll give you what we can. "But", you say, what about those who can't get there? That's a job for the Haitian gov't, the UN, and private charities. Bring them or supply them yourselves.

There should be no US troops inland, except those evacuating US Citizens.

26 posted on 01/15/2010 7:03:21 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Bernard
Maybe he could actually improve things there.

Well, he certainly would change the gene pool.

27 posted on 01/15/2010 7:04:45 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Deathcare...a solution desperately looking for a problem.)
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To: dfwgator
If you do airdrop supplies, you’ll have to drop in about a hundred Army Rangers ahead of the supplies.

Which is exactly what they should do - does Gates think there won't be/is chaos now?

People can wait for food - but water, they need NOW...

What's his plan. Wait until they can get people in there on the ground? They will no longer need water - just body bags.

In the meantime, my sil flies C 130's for the Coast Guard out of Florida - they are flying nonstop - on return, don't even turn off the engines, just reload and go..

28 posted on 01/15/2010 7:11:08 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Bernard
"I always thought that appointing Bill Clinton to be Ambassador to Haiti would be the perfect assignment for that man. Maybe he could actually improve things there."

Yeah...just look how well he did with Arkansas.

29 posted on 01/15/2010 7:15:49 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: maine-iac7

The Canadian DART team being deployed has a mobile water purification plant, which they used successfully after the Boxing Day tsunami. AFAIK the advance party is on the ground and a C17 with the water plant should be on the way soon.


30 posted on 01/15/2010 7:27:59 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Yeah its far better to let them die of thirst.


31 posted on 01/15/2010 7:28:26 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dfwgator
If you do airdrop supplies, you’ll have to drop in about a hundred Army Rangers ahead of the supplies.

With lots of ammo.

32 posted on 01/15/2010 7:30:17 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: dfwgator
If you do airdrop supplies, you’ll have to drop in about a hundred Army Rangers ahead of the supplies.

That should be easy. Aren't we supposed to have a brigade of Army Rangers on call?

33 posted on 01/15/2010 7:34:26 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: ZOOKER

It’s only going to get worse. It’s going to get real worse.

How many rescue workers will die before they pull them all out of there?

You heard it here first.


34 posted on 01/15/2010 7:34:48 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Bernard

Exactly. I mean, we think air dropping stimulus checks in America is going to do us so much good after all...
(sarc off)


35 posted on 01/15/2010 7:35:07 PM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: dubie
supply and demand. just “drop” in overwhelming force to outnumber the demand. carpet bomb the place with provisions

And who should pay for this?

36 posted on 01/15/2010 7:36:18 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: doc1019

Dr. Bill Wattenburg, nuclear physicist and commentator on KGO radio, San Francisco, figured out how to do this almost 2 decades ago.

http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?ID=365348&PT=PERSONALITIES

You air drop small packages of food and water without parachutes. The packages survive fine and the locals pick up the widely distributed packages without having to ask the local war lord / gang boss for permission.

US military is well aware of this procedure. Why isn’t Obama?


37 posted on 01/15/2010 7:37:17 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: Jet Jaguar

Barry Soetoro will ensure this operation is FUBAR.


38 posted on 01/15/2010 7:41:13 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: hinckley buzzard
some of which landed on and killed waiting Kurds.

I think that is what Gates is worried about, they'll see the pallets and parachutes and run underneath them.

39 posted on 01/15/2010 7:41:23 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jet Jaguar
they'd tear each other to pieces...
40 posted on 01/15/2010 8:00:46 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: hedgetrimmer

The UN is being its usual worthless self. Gen. Russel Honore is the only person I’ve heard who talks sense — too bad he’s not in charge.

The UN pulling doctors and supplies from a field hospital with sick and dying patients today was unconscienable.


41 posted on 01/15/2010 8:09:27 PM PST by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: doc1019

What about the kind of MRE drops we did in Afghanistan or Iraq (shame on me, I can’t remember which). My (sketchy) memory is that they were pretty successful.


42 posted on 01/15/2010 8:11:09 PM PST by Humble Servant (see y'all in the Gulag.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Exactly! Little packages and lots of them!! Drop them all over the place and keep them coming. Just get the water and some food in with first-aid kits, and ease the immediate needs.

Where are the brains in this rescue debacle?


43 posted on 01/15/2010 8:15:26 PM PST by Exit148 (Loose Change Founder. A little goes a long way!)
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To: Humble Servant

And from what I understand, most of these MRE’s were scooped up my the local tribal chiefs and doled out to the faithful.


44 posted on 01/15/2010 8:15:34 PM PST by doc1019 (To call Obama a bumbling idiot would be an insult to bumbling idiots worldwide.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ya, well, the point is to try and save, not kill em.

Ranger is a bad choice.

US Army Engineers, US NAve SeeBees, USAF Red Horse - now those would be a good choice.

Got blocked roads? - send in M9 Engineering vehicles.

At some point, things will get better - I just don’t know when that will be...


45 posted on 01/15/2010 8:16:30 PM PST by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
This is a smart decision.

The goons with the sharpest machetes will get to the dropped supplies first.

Leni

46 posted on 01/15/2010 8:18:46 PM PST by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: Red in Blue PA; xone

I’m sure you’ve seen this...


47 posted on 01/15/2010 8:28:15 PM PST by txhurl
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To: BigBobber

Just like we did in Afghanistan. Remember Chris Matthews calling the food packets ridiculous?


48 posted on 01/15/2010 8:47:14 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: dubie

:supply and demand. just “drop” in overwhelming force to outnumber the demand. carpet bomb the place with provisions.”

Bundles of bottled water, gloves and dried food would seem to be a smart thing to bundle together and drop in.


49 posted on 01/15/2010 8:54:59 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: BigBobber

I saw the tape of that drop in A-stan,,,

Seemed to work well,,,But,,,

IIRC the drop-zone was a large clear area,,,not sure,,,

That was only MRE’s,,,no water,,,

The MRE’s I have are 12” X 7.5”,,,12.4 oz. ,,,

I guess these would fall generally flat,,,?

Mite not hurt too bad if they hit somebody,,,

A 12 oz. bottle of water would kill,,,

No time to repackage,,,

Then there’s the number of people,,,

2-3 million,,,?

This will take ship loads,,,

Hopefully the Navy can get the port up and running and

the road fixed soon,,,

Sadly time is running out for many of the little kids...


50 posted on 01/15/2010 9:19:53 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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