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HuffPost: Haiti’s Suffering Was First “Made in America”
NewsReal Blog ^ | 01/15/10 | Rhonda Robinson

Posted on 01/15/2010 6:44:53 PM PST by Rhonda Robinson

It only took a few days for the Left to come crawling out from under the rubble and blame the U.S. for Haiti’s suffering. Stopping just short of blaming U.S. policies for the actual earthquake, Bill Quigley, in The Huffington Post portrays America as the evil master that holds the life of the poorest countries in the palm of its hand and squeezes.

“Part of the suffering of Haiti is indeed “Made in the USA.” While the earthquake would harm any country, actions by the United States have absolutely magnified the harm from the earthquake in Haiti.”

“How? In the last decade alone, the U.S. slashed humanitarian assistance to Haiti, blocked international loans, forced the government of Haiti to downsize, ruined tens of thousands of small farmers, and replaced the government with private non-governmental organizations.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; blameamericafirst; death2america; haiti; huffpo; left
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1 posted on 01/15/2010 6:44:55 PM PST by Rhonda Robinson
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To: Rhonda Robinson

The first harm the US did was make Haiti a UN protectorate. The second harm was to make global socialist and monetary opportunist(crook) Bill Clinton its envoy.

The country has a snowballs chance in hell with the global socialists in charge.

Their primary agenda is reduction of the excess population on the globe. Their secondary agenda is to subjugate every living human being to their agenda.


2 posted on 01/15/2010 6:48:28 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Rhonda Robinson

WHAT!?!?!

So are we supposed to treat countries like Haiti as if they are pets that we care for from cradle to grave? At what point do these failed states have to stand on their own two like adults?


3 posted on 01/15/2010 6:48:45 PM PST by Felis_irritable (Fool me once, I'll punch you in the...er, something or other...)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

They are such fools


4 posted on 01/15/2010 6:51:16 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Oh, Haiti’s ails predate the Toon. A sucession of thuggish, graft-hungry dictators did damage long before Billy Jeff soiled the country with his presence.


5 posted on 01/15/2010 6:51:31 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Rhonda Robinson
"...actions by the United States have absolutely magnified the harm from the earthquake in Haiti.”

They're right: and Bill Clinton is the one who did it, when he made Aristide the President.

6 posted on 01/15/2010 6:51:53 PM PST by Redbob (Pray for Pres. Obama...Psalm 109)
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To: Felis_irritable

Blocking international loans sounds like we did them a favor. All international loans do to nations that can never pay is put a boot on their necks.


7 posted on 01/15/2010 6:52:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

I thought we were supposed to leave other countries alone? Screw this hag, she’s a traitor.


8 posted on 01/15/2010 6:55:48 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

Typical liberal racists.

I guess black folks in Haiti are ‘smart’ enough to get their affairs in order without the help of enlightened American progressives. If these progressive suddenly cared sooo much about Haiti, then were the hell were they before this God awful earthquake hit.


9 posted on 01/15/2010 6:58:52 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Rhonda Robinson

I don’t know how much money the US has given Haiti freely over the past 2 decades, but I believe in the past 2 years alone we’ve given over a billions dollars to Haiti. Not a million, but a Billion with a B. Very few communities get that much aid in 1-2 years. Even military buildouts which began with Bush and the GWOT are taking 5 years, and in most bases, the total amounts expended are still below those amounts.

The infrastructure damages don’t mean they no longer exist, nor that they have to be completely removed. On the contrary, the bulk of it will the reused, and a large amount of components may have to be repaired either by replacement or by maintenance of failed parts.

The materials haven’t disappeared.

The more third parties intervene to repair and replace everything for Haitians without their internal repairs of their infrastructure, the less capable they will be to operate, maintain and repair their own industries when the third parties depart.


10 posted on 01/15/2010 6:59:40 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Army Air Corps

I don’t think its a very good use of taxpayer dollars to invade a country and then give it to the UN to run. We’ve already given them Kosovo and Somalia. Ignoring the evidence based on the freedom and quality of life of those countries is immoral and unethical.

Thinking Americans must protest. This giving over of a foreign country to the UN is a theft of out tax dollars,and our moral compass, but whats worse we put American lives in danger to give this countries to the global socialists. I can’t think of anything more ANTI-American that, can you?


11 posted on 01/15/2010 7:00:14 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Felis_irritable
France should repay the estimated $22 billion (modern equivalent) they forced Haiti to pay for their (French) lost slaves.

Democrats should shell out $500 each from their own personal fortunes for all the damage done to Haiti by Democrat Presidents and Congresses. ~ make that an annual indemnity.

Republicans are free of blame on this particular problem.

12 posted on 01/15/2010 7:00:34 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Rhonda Robinson

The US should have deposed Duvalier in 1957 when he took power, that would have saved everybody a lot of grief.


13 posted on 01/15/2010 7:01:16 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Rhonda Robinson

We should pull our occupation troops out of Haiti. They are there, obviously, to put a coup d’grace to the dignity of the Haitian people at a moment of distress.

/lefty logic off


14 posted on 01/15/2010 7:02:08 PM PST by Leisler (We don't need a third party we need a conservative second party.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

I don’t know about the rest of you but I am sick and tired of being branded the bad guy. This country has done more for more countries than anyone else. They are the first to arrive and the last to leave. Who doesn’t like us I say: “Tough”!!!


15 posted on 01/15/2010 7:02:18 PM PST by cubreporter ( Rush is coming back on Wed. Welcome back Rush. God bless you for all you do for all of us.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson
...and replaced the government with private non-governmental organizations.

That's the UN that took over. Liberals are normally huge fans of the UN, now they talk about the UN in a negative light. I know it's too much to ask, but it's pathetic that liberals can't even keep their own story straight.

16 posted on 01/15/2010 7:02:30 PM PST by highlander_UW (There's a storm coming - little kid at a Mexican gas station in The Terminator)
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To: Rhonda Robinson
NO BLOOD FOR EARTHQUAKES! We just went through a bunch of lefty flagburners spitting on our troops because we went over to Iraq and "intervened in their domestic affairs". Yet, now we're supposed to go in with billions of dollars just to care for a two-bit backwater that has even less strategic importance than any country in the Middle East? Yeah, all the poor Haitians crying and begging in the streets is heart-rending, but don't forget we got lured into the same sort of emotional hearttug with Somalia. Haiti is simply waiting for our troops and aid workers to go down there and we'll soon have dead Americans getting dragged through the streets just like in Somalia.

When I was going through AIT at Ft. Leonard Wood in 1995, we had a bunch of Haitians up there receiving police training. They wore old '60's and 70's era Army fatigues, were escorted around by '60's hippie types (probably Clinton Administration people), and looked so lost and hopeless in the cold weather in Missouri. My question is, where are all those police we trained 15 years ago?

17 posted on 01/15/2010 7:04:05 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/TeddyVWad.jpg)
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To: Cvengr

I heard it’s about five billion.


18 posted on 01/15/2010 7:06:03 PM PST by MaxMax (Lets get a sense)
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To: Cvengr

Just a few facts for you to remember

Haiti is a UN protectorate.
The UN isn’t sending any aid
The UN has declared in many of its position papers that the population of the world needs to be reduced to either 1 billion or 500 million depending who you’re talking to. That means lots and lots of deaths, whether it be from natural disasters or disease.

So are you surprised at the destruction and the sorry state of this country since the UN and global socialist Bill Clinton took it over? You shouldn’t be.


19 posted on 01/15/2010 7:06:50 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

You nailed it, sir!


20 posted on 01/15/2010 7:08:13 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: hedgetrimmer
I can’t think of anything more ANTI-American that, can you?

More than just anti-American. Let's us try just plain immoral. Prior to the UN mismanaging Haiti (much like the ham-fisted way the UN makes a charlie foxtrot of everything they touch), countries poured aid into the country only for it to vanish into the quicksand of Haitian corruption.
21 posted on 01/15/2010 7:08:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
If these progressive suddenly cared sooo much about Haiti, then were the hell were they before this God awful earthquake hit.

They were busy telling us not to judge to harsly the slovely, skeevy "governments" (i.e. thugocracy of the week) that have bled the country for decades.
22 posted on 01/15/2010 7:11:31 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: MuttTheHoople

They are gone. The “elected” president replaced them with murderous gangs.


23 posted on 01/15/2010 7:12:07 PM PST by Rhonda Robinson
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To: muawiyah

You have my vote when you run for elected office.


24 posted on 01/15/2010 7:12:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Yes its clear that the UN is an immoral organization. The proof is everywhere!

Why should America support them when we all know that the freedom of man rests on the shoulders of the just and moral? America is the republic which can’t be kept in the words of Benjamin Franklin, if we stoop so low, to support the venal and corrupt globalists.


25 posted on 01/15/2010 7:12:33 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

You nailed it. It is the typical leftist agenda, victimize those who you pretend to be helping. They always do more harm than good.


26 posted on 01/15/2010 7:15:40 PM PST by Rhonda Robinson
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To: driftdiver

Not sure who you’re talking about. But obviously you didn’t read the article if you’re referring to me.


27 posted on 01/15/2010 7:17:47 PM PST by Rhonda Robinson
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To: Rhonda Robinson

U.S. Budget

Vaughn's Summaries logo

Politics Summaries

U.S. Foreign Aid Summary

HERE is a summary chart of United States Foreign Aid payments.
Data is listed by major recipients, for the 6 years from 2001 to 2006.




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United States Foreign Aid Summary Chart
All figures in millions of US dollars (rounded off)

Top U.S. Foreign Aid Recipient Countries

2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001

     Notes

  Israel

 These 2 countries receive one-third of the total
 aid, the majority of which pays for armaments.
 Yet, neither is a "developing" country.
 One-third of ALL US AID goes to Israel and Egypt.

Economic Aid (ESF)

240

1,537

477

600

1,080

838

Military Aid (FMF)

2,280

1,448

2,147

2,100

2,040

1,975

Israel Total

2,520

2,985

2,624

2,700

3,120

2,813

 Egypt

Economic Aid (ESF)

495

530

571

615

775

693

Military Aid FMF)

1,300

1,289

1,292

1,300

1,300

1,297

Egypt Total

1,795

1,819

1,863

1,915

2,075

1,990

.

Columbia

558

567

574

538

381

49

 Drug abatement

Jordan

461

457

559

452

230

228

 To leave Israel alone

Pakistan

698

537

387

305

893

3

 To chase terrorists

Peru

133

152

156

189

197

89

 Drug abatement

Indonesia

158

135

122

131

124

120

 Oil reserves

Kenya

213

159

101

52

44

38

 Free money, if you are Christian

Bolivia

122

132

133

137

126

89

 Drug abatement

Ukraine

115

93

113

166

163

182

 Irritate, weaken Russia

India

94

92

87

152

79

59

 -

Haiti

163

125

101

26

31

48

 -

Russia

52

91

101

157

165

169

 -

Ethiopia

145

114

74

52

47

40

 -

West Bank/ Gaza

150

74

74

75

72

70

 Token response, to "balance" Israel aid

Liberia

89

44

202

7

5

5

 -

Bangladesh

49

55

61

65

66

59

 -

Bosnia

51

45

64

53

68

86

 Reparations


28 posted on 01/15/2010 7:17:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Rhonda Robinson

Talking smack about this earthquake seems to be a growth industry.


29 posted on 01/15/2010 7:18:28 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Nobody move, Nobody get hurt)
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To: dfwgator

Duvalier could have been replaced by many hundreds of people just like him. Haiti was doomed.


30 posted on 01/15/2010 7:18:50 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: hedgetrimmer
The UN is a cause célèbre with people who care about others in the same detached manner that people care about characters in a novel. The UN is a nightmare of a bloated, bureaucratic morass - and that is on a good. day. It is little more than a government-funded debating society populated with effete busybodies. Defund the bally lot of them and make them pump septic tanks for a living in the worst third world hellholes that they helped to create.
31 posted on 01/15/2010 7:21:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

Referring to Huffpo, thought that would be obvious.


32 posted on 01/15/2010 7:22:04 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

I’m surprised that no one has noted that the subject of Wright’s “white man’s greed runs a world in need” sermon, which so moved Obama that he decided to become a politician, was Haiti.


33 posted on 01/15/2010 7:23:59 PM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: Jim Noble

Thank you, for that timely reminder.


34 posted on 01/15/2010 7:25:34 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: driftdiver

Referring to Huffpo, thought that would be obvious.

Not really, because she wasn’t the author of the piece. In that cause, you’re right.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.


35 posted on 01/15/2010 7:25:57 PM PST by Rhonda Robinson
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To: Rhonda Robinson
Not entirely off base. It's not just the United States, but the entire 'wealthy West" that has done this to the 3rd world via "hand outs" that appease our ever larger Soccer Mom mentality constituency while at the same time fueling the corrupt UN sponsored NGO cleptocrat establishment.

We did in fact destroy the agriculture sector of Haiti by forcing them to remove tariffs on imported rice that protected their farmers. That was lobbied for in congress by heavily subsidized US rice farmers, being paid ultimately for the rice they 'sold' to Haiti with dollars supplied by USAID!

The rice farmers in Haiti were forced out of business because they could not compete with 'free' while a few large corporate agriculture interests in the US got tax payer money on both ends of the deal -- to grow it, and then to sell it.

The same crap goes on all over the world. The US is not alone, European politicians and special interests play the same game, but we probably are the biggest sinner because our congress and political establishment is thoroughly corrupt and our media establishment is completely juvenile to the point that they can not move past an emotional, 'Opera touchy-feely view' of any issue. That touchy-feely crap ends up killing lots of people, but they will never see or report that fact.

Similar destruction of opportunity happens domestically -- see most any depressed inner city that before government funding might have been a little shabby around the edges, but still viable. (I lived in one back in the 60s, and it only took a few million in Federal 'grants' to turn it into an absolute hell-hole.)

Once the 'free money' shows up, the politically connected hustlers make bundles while any incentive to create wealth is destroyed, productive people flee, and the neighborhood falls into ruins, because their in no way to compete with 'free money.'

Charity to an individual can be a blessing. Massive government charity (with it's attended rules, regs and hidden surprises) is a curse, not a blessing.

36 posted on 01/15/2010 7:27:43 PM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

Sorry I thought the article was huffpo junk and I don’t read those.

Not that I read FR articles all that often.


37 posted on 01/15/2010 7:30:16 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Ditto
Once the 'free money' shows up, the politically connected hustlers make bundles while any incentive to create wealth is destroyed, productive people flee, and the neighborhood falls into ruins, because their in no way to compete with 'free money.'

Charity to an individual can be a blessing. Massive government charity (with it's attended rules, regs and hidden surprises) is a curse, not a blessing.


This bears repeating.
38 posted on 01/15/2010 7:32:56 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Redbob
They're right: and Bill Clinton is the one who did it, when he made Aristide the President.

I wonder what scale of drug running assistance resulted from that little deal.

39 posted on 01/15/2010 7:42:16 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Redbob

They’re right: and Bill Clinton is the one who did it, when he made Aristide the President.

Absolutely correct.
Clinton’s blockade of Haiti ended all commerce. 90% of the income of Haitians disappeared overnight when US companies abandoned their efforts to run light manufacturing in Haiti. Clinton would not allow raw materials in or finished products out. In one day Clinton destroyed a growing economy and left this island nation in the pit of poverty it has enjoyed ever since.
Bill and Hillary’s love of Marxist Aristide destroyed the last best hope these people had. Guess who is still in charge?


40 posted on 01/15/2010 8:02:50 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

France’s fault.


41 posted on 01/15/2010 8:36:08 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Rhonda Robinson

The United States as a whole obviously isn’t to blame, however we do accede to a political system that is captured by special interests. Fighting these special interests is one of the main tenants of the Tea Party movement.

Special interests in the United States agribusiness community have captured the US policy on subsidizing US agrobusiness. For the several billions a year in direct subsidies that US agrobusiness have bought from Congress from the pockets of US taxpayers, the US taxpayers are also footing the secondary and tertiary consequences of the skewed laws and market subsidies of the United States agro marketplace.

The United States passed laws that totally f****d over, and in the last 20 years starved to death, several million in Haiti, Burkina Faso, Benin, huge swathes of Central and sub-Saharan Africa, rural and frontier Brazil, and many other areas of the world.

The taxpayers of the OECD countries are getting f****d on both sides of the equation and the peasants of the third world are dying from destroyed domestic economies.

The US laws on agriculture commidity subsidies plus the strong arming of Haiti’s corrupt elite by American agrobusinesses’ financial elites is utterly insane and IS directly responsible for the collapse of Haiti’s domestic agricultural industry in the last 20 years. Take more than a cursory look at the situation... and try to come around to a different conclusion, I don’t think it’s possible.


42 posted on 01/15/2010 8:41:40 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: muawiyah

Republicans are not free of blame here. Much of the collapse of Haiti’s domestic economy is a direct result of farm state Republicans’ plundering of the US treasury and outright tragedy of the commons stealing of marketshare through subsidies from Haiti’s domestic agro commodity.


43 posted on 01/15/2010 8:44:27 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

And the Faustian deal that Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon made with Papa Doc Duvalier in order to gain his support against Castro, while Duvalier decimated Haiti’s producer class.


44 posted on 01/15/2010 8:46:06 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: cubreporter
I don’t know about the rest of you but I am sick and tired of being branded the bad guy.

No good deed goes unpunished. You should know that by now.

45 posted on 01/15/2010 9:43:04 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Defund the bally lot of them and make them pump septic tanks for a living in the worst third world hellholes that they helped to create.

I'm all for defunding them, and for getting out of their little communist sewing circle, but most of the countries they have helped make into third-world hellholes would be moving way up the technological spectrum to keep that bunch pumping something so advanced as a septic tank.

46 posted on 01/15/2010 9:48:48 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

Let’s quote Steyn on this; I like his “take”. From a recent interview:

HH: Mark Steyn, I know, I assume, and I think I’m right about this that you’ll agree with me in rejecting Pat Robertson’s analysis of why this happened. But why is it that Haiti is such a basket case?

MS: Well, for a start, it was a French colony rather than a British colony. I mean, we can make that comparison almost anywhere in the world. I’m a bit of an old school British imperialist, and I know obviously the majority of your listeners for very good historical reasons will have a different view on that, but generally, and it’s a good guide in the world, even in the worst parts of the world, that if you’re trying to do business, it’s easier to do business in Malaysia, say, than Indonesia. And if you’re trying to do business, obviously, you’re better off in Jamaica than Cuba, and you’re certainly better off in Jamaica than in Haiti. And I think what it is, is that no nation was ever really built there. It’s always very moving to me when you go to the British Caribbean, if you go to Barbados or the Bahamas, or wherever, and you go into those little parliaments, which are like little, mini Westminsters, you see the speaker with his wig, and the mace, and hansard, just like in London or Ottawa or Canberra, whatever one feels about imperialism, functioning societies were built there. There has never been a functioning civil society or public infrastructure in Haiti. And so when a natural phenomenon strikes, it’s devastating there, not just by comparison with an earthquake in California, but even by the standards of an earthquake in Iran, for example.

HH: I am hopeful that, when we come back, I’ll talk more about the relief effort in Haiti, but I’m hopeful maybe we can get the British imperialists to take over Chicago for a while, and introduce some semblance of civilized government there.

From here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2428872/posts


47 posted on 01/15/2010 9:58:11 PM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Army Air Corps
It is little more than a government-funded debating society

Debating bodies don't have armies, nor do they decree legislation to be enacted by nations.
48 posted on 01/16/2010 8:37:22 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Cvengr; Rhonda Robinson

“I don’t know how much money the US has given Haiti freely over the past 2 decades, but I believe in the past 2 years alone we’ve given over a billions dollars to Haiti. Not a million, but a Billion with a B.”

Actually NINE BILLION in the last 10 years. (figure was referenced last night on FR) Not to mention the 200,000 illegal haitians and the 800,000 legal ones we’ve given a home and endless contributions to.

“For FY 2009 the USG is
providing over $142.7 million,”

http://www.usaid.gov/ht/docs/iip/investing_in_people_one_page.pdf

BTW, Haiti’s debt to the USA and others, 1.2 Billion $$$ has been cancelled.

http://us.oneworld.net/article/365154-haiti-secures-billion-dollar-debt-cancellation


49 posted on 01/16/2010 9:02:14 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I do know that but I still get ticked off. We are always the bad guy and even when we do good they find something to twist in their own nasty ways.


50 posted on 01/16/2010 9:25:49 AM PST by cubreporter ( Rush is coming back on Wed. Welcome back Rush. God bless you for all you do for all of us.)
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