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Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

Posted on 01/15/2010 10:36:18 PM PST by neverdem

In a bizarre 1984 book, ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. Let's examine the facts.

In his spy book Wedge, Mark Riebling claims that "of Golitsyn's falsifiable predictions, 139 out of 148 were fulfilled by the end of 1993 -- an accuracy rate of 94 percent" [1]. Riebling's statistic, compiled from Golitsyn's 1984 book New Lies for Old, has been used in several other books and articles (including here at AT) since Wedge was first published in 1994.

New Lies for Old is not light reading, and all of Golitsyn's predictions appear in the last two chapters, some 327 pages in. Golitsyn began drafting the manuscript in 1968 [3], completed it in 1980 [9], cleared the CIA in 1982 [2], and then finalized and published it in 1984 with seven additional pages [10].

Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn's thesis.

Despite taking 22 years to write and publish New Lies for Old, Golitsyn nonetheless asserted that "the substance of the argument has changed little since 1968" [4]. Put simply, Golitsyn's argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government. Throughout his works, he refers to this future event as "convergence" [5]. On page 339 appears a series of Goltisyn's predictions:

The "liberalization" would be spectacular and impressive.  Formal pronouncements might be made about a reduction in the communist party's role:  its monopoly would be apparently curtailed.  An ostensible separation of powers between the legislative, the executive, and the judiciary might be introduced.  The Supreme Soviet would be given greater apparent power, and the president of the Soviet Union and the first secretary of the party might well be separated.  The KGB would be "reformed."  Dissidents at home would be amnestied; those in exile abroad would be allowed to return, and some would take up positions of leadership in government.


Sakharov might be included in some capacity in the government or allowed to teach aboard.  The creative arts and cultural and scientific organizations, such as the writers' unions and Academy of Sciences, would become apparently more independent, as would the trade unions.  Political clubs would be opened to nonmembers of the communist party.  Leading dissidents might form one or more alternative political parties

There would be greater freedom for Soviet citizens to travel.  Western and Unitized Nations observers would be invited to the Soviet Union to witness the reforms in action.

Golitsyn concluded that "the deceptive liberalization will be accepted as genuine and spontaneous and will be blown up out of all proportion by the media" [11].

These fifteen predictions are from just one page and most foretelling of events then ten years away. I chose to cite this particular page because many of the readers here at AT would be able to readily identify these claims empirically as true or not true. Of particular note are Golitsyn's predictions of separate legislative, executive, and judicial powers -- Americans would naturally embrace such a move by the Soviets wholeheartedly (and without asking questions). Making such claims about the Soviet Union in 1980 was no less absurd than would be making similar claims about North Korea today.

Foretelling the rise of Mikhail Gorbachev, Golitsyn wrote:

One cannot exclude that at the next party congress or earlier, Andropov will be replaced by a younger leader with a more liberal image who will continue the so called "liberalization" more intensively [6].

In a July 1984 memo to the CIA, Golitsyn writes: 

The Soviet strategists may replace the old leader, Konstantin Chernenko, who is actually only a figurehead, with a younger Soviet leader who was chosen some time ago as his successor -- namely, Comrade Gorbachev. One of Gorbachev's primary tasks will be to carry out the so-called liberalization [12].

Comrade Gorbachev took office as leader of the Soviet Union the following year.

Golitsyn also gave clues on the eventual replacement of Boris Yeltsin, describing the Chechnyan crisis "not as a likely cause of a military coup, but as a possible planned prelude to a change of government" [13]. Yeltsin resigned unexpectedly on New Year's Eve in 1999, installing then-Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to the Russian presidency. Putin was elected just months later, riding a wave of Russian nationalist sentiment stemming from renewed hostilities in Chechnya.

Critics will rightfully point out that the timeframes in Golitsyn's books are wrong -- he postulated the emergence of a radical left U.S. government around 1992 and "convergence" by about 2000 [14], and he states throughout his works that NATO would be dissolved, causing U.S. forces to leave Europe. He also predicted a military alliance between the U.S. and China [7]. Taken as a complete work, however, Golitsyn got most of it right.

So how did Golitsyn do it? He explains it this way:

The assessment has been based partly on secret information available only to an insider; partly on an intimate understanding of how the communist strategist thinks and acts; partly on knowledge of political readjustments, the use of strategic disinformation, and the extent of KGB penetrations of, and influence on, Western governments; and partly on research and analysis, using the new methodology, of open records of Soviet and communist developments over the last 20 years [8].

There is other evidence that corroborates Golitsyn's thesis. In his 1982 book We Will Bury You, Czech defector Jan Sejna also claimed the Berlin Wall would be torn down and the Warsaw Pact dissolved for reasons of deception [15]. Additionally, there are the 1992 and 2005 Mitrokhin Archives. More recently, weird 25-year-old videos of another KGB defector detailing a decades-long process of purposeful U.S. demoralization by Soviet intelligence services have appeared on You Tube.

Jeff Nyquist, an independent writer and the author of the worst-selling book Origins of the Fourth World War, seems to be the only Western journalist who not only noticed but paid much attention to Golitsyn. Nyquist has written hundreds of articles discussing both Golitsyn's thesis and the slow moral and economic decay of America. Nyquist and Golitsyn both dedicated books to J.J. Angleton, who in 1954 founded the CIA's counterintelligence division.

The present moral and economic bankruptcy emanating from Washington, D.C. and plaguing America portends something far more dangerous than the unintended consequences of electing so many ideological flunkies with bad educations and misguided ideals. The purpose of warfare is not to kill and maim your enemy; it is his social, economic, political, and religious reorientation. Somewhere Sun Tzu is smiling, and it isn't at America.

Jason McNew is a 36-year-old IT professional. He can be contacted at jasond@mcnew.org.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; convergence; golitsyn; jrnyquist; putin; russia; sovietunion
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51 posted on 01/16/2010 3:52:52 AM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: neverdem; rdl6989; mmanager; FreedomPoster; carolinablonde; bamahead; Delacon; SteamShovel; ...
Thanx ! Interesting thesis.

It has been many years now since I first heard Rush claim "...that militant environmentalism is the new home of displaced communists. It's where they have taken refuge. This so-called climate change and especially manmade climate change has become one of the most dangerous arguments aimed at distorting human efforts and public policies in the whole world."

Watermelon environmentalists have already won battles that undermine capitalism. And now we are witnessing the "global warming crisis" salient in the left's campaign on freedom and capitaism where the prescription for solving Anthropogenic Global Warming ™ Anthropogenic Climate Change ™ is an unhealthy dose of massive socialism, plain and simple.

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

52 posted on 01/16/2010 4:48:27 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Freedom from fat cat greedy Big Government tyranny IS a Right ... It IS the Constitution.)
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To: neverdem

Alive and well in our very own White House


53 posted on 01/16/2010 4:51:13 AM PST by jersey117
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To: gwilhelm56

Yup. Gorbachev has been living in San Francisco for some years now, directing it all.


54 posted on 01/16/2010 4:55:15 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: SpaceBar

“There are some posts here that think the notion of communism simpling setting up shop elsewhere is ridiculous, but that’s exactly what it does. Russia wasn’t the seat of communism, it was simply one of its victims. The ideology is alive and well in thousands of hatcheries known as liberal arts departments across the United States and in other places it finds fertile ground. It lives in a country not, but in misguided minds.”

Yes! You’ve said it very accurately!


55 posted on 01/16/2010 4:57:39 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: JasonC

“Nope, it actually died. Stone cold dead. Misinformation ahead of time just tried to make their impending collapse a little less embarrassing. The folks who couldn’t make a decent pair of shoes couldn’t scheme their way to world power either. It is a fantasy.”

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Thats the “wrong” buzzer.


56 posted on 01/16/2010 4:59:22 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: gwilhelm56

“Limbaugh warned us from the beginning that Communism wasn’t DEAD... it just moved to USA and Hid in the ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT.”

Didn’t know that. I knew Senator Joseph McCarthy did back in the ‘50s.


57 posted on 01/16/2010 5:09:57 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: kristinn; melancholy; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
As I have said MANY times ...

Communism is not dead -- it is alive and well in the United States of America!

58 posted on 01/16/2010 5:27:38 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
While back in Hawaii by late June of 1980, we went back to Honolulu for liberty.......

Is this story in your post your personal experience?
The CFP story linked just above does not contain this info.
While it would simply be looked at as hearsay...it is very powerful information.

59 posted on 01/16/2010 5:35:44 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: neverdem
First off 'communism' didn't die in 1991., the USSR collapsed, that is all. Communism never died and is around us more now than ever so it had no death to fake.

The last time we fought communism with bullets was in Nam(1), next time it'll be in our own streets.

I discount our little adventure in Grenada against 1,000 Cuban commies.

60 posted on 01/16/2010 5:35:59 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: SpaceBar; All

The ideology is also alive and well STILL in the Soviet Union and Putin is trying his hardest to keep it alive, if not bring it back in full-force.

“It’s all the same... Only the names have changed”

There is no coincidence that Putin’s youth camps featured huge posters of Father Stalin... And it’s no coincidence that Putin feels the fall of the Soviet Union was perhaps the worst thing to happen in history.

They may have TRIED to kill Communism, it may have been weakened, but it’s alive and kicking... If Communism were truly dead Putin would never have made it anywhere NEAR the Kremlin — much less in any position of power.

I also find it interesting that some on the thread are saying it “moved” here to the US after that... BIG CORRECTION: it was ALREADY HERE long before that.

Oh, and McCarthy was right... ;)


61 posted on 01/16/2010 5:36:57 AM PST by LibertyRocks (Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: neverdem

Someone finally hits the nail on the head.

IMHO


62 posted on 01/16/2010 5:43:32 AM PST by ripley
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To: Condor51

I agree with your first sentence wholeheartedly. The thing is I think that much of the Russian Communist Party didn’t really go away they just couldn’t go about business as usual anymore...

Journalists are still threatened and/or killed for going against the Kremlin.
Instead of party officials holding the majority of wealth it is FORMER party officials who are the corrupt businessmen.
Instead of the KGB - Moscow officials use the mafia for a lot of their dirty work.

I could go on, but I think you see what I mean...

I fully admit that when the wall fell in Berlin, and then the USSR finally collapsed I thought we were “free” of the Communist threat as well (I was a teenager still - graduated HS in 1990). Over the last 10 or so years I’ve seen and learned a lot and I’m no longer blind. However, I know MANY - especially in my age group who still believe as I used to. Those in the generation(s) behind me - they aren’t even TAUGHT of the horrors of Communism which is why they were so gullible when it came to Obama, and why they can’t see the dangers of “So-called” Socialism either!

Another interesting thing I discovered during the election last year — professors in our colleges are using *new* definitions for what constitutes Socialism and Communism.

No longer is socialism defined (by leftist professors) as the means of production owned by the PEOPLE/workers vs. Communism where the means of production is held by the state. I honestly can’t even EXPLAIN their convoluted definitions now — I only know that using these definitions is what has caused a HUGE generational gap between us “old-school” folks who remember REAL Communism, and the younger generations who believe what we are seeing today in the us (Nationalization of industries and class-warfare) is “socialism” and that it’s good...


63 posted on 01/16/2010 5:51:01 AM PST by LibertyRocks (Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: neverdem

—bflr—


64 posted on 01/16/2010 6:36:46 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: LibertyRocks
I'll try to get back to you in a while. There's thing I *want* to say but have to be careful and don't want it to turn into along drawn-out tome.

So for now it'll have to suffice when I say; I HATE communism, 'socialism' and every stinking pinko-commie(1) with every bone in my body.

(1) how's that for an old time phrase ;-)

65 posted on 01/16/2010 6:43:46 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: All

Commies turned to the green and other movements like healthcare soon after the fall of the USSR in the late 80’s. I remember dating a women that worked on “health and public policy” in the mid-90’s. The clowns she worked with were hardcore commies wearing che and mao images and extolling the benefits of the glorious people’s revolution in cuba.
She was hot, like redhead supermodel hot, but it didn’t last more than a few months. She wanted to go to a demonstration and I wanted to get some ribs and that was that.


66 posted on 01/16/2010 6:51:33 AM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: neverdem

Communism is an idea. Ideas don’t die. The answer is yes..


67 posted on 01/16/2010 6:58:42 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: petitfour

From Fred Shapiro’s book The Yale Book of Quotations (2006):

“They [capitalists] will furnish credits which will serve us for the support of the Communist Party in their countries and, by supplying us materials and technical equipment which we lack, will restore our military industry necessary for our future attacks against our suppliers. To put it in other words, they will work on the preparation of their own suicide”


68 posted on 01/16/2010 7:11:06 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: Just A Nobody
As I have said MANY times ...

Communism is not dead -- it is alive and well in the United States of America!

Nationally and internationally, Communists will never forgive America for the collapse of the USSR. Their revenge is in progress, what could be better than reviving Communism through the collapse of its archenemy, the USA?

69 posted on 01/16/2010 7:23:14 AM PST by melancholy (Stop USA change, destroy the 0b0z0ne layer!)
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To: neverdem

Solzhenitsyn warned about these things long before Anatoliy Golitsyn.

read his Harvard address here:

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/harvard1978.html


70 posted on 01/16/2010 7:33:55 AM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Halgr

Marxisim - Fascism - they are opposite sides of the same coin: totalitarianism.

We are squatting on that coin, not yet firmly but getting closer.


71 posted on 01/16/2010 7:37:52 AM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: neverdem

Some pretty good discussion here.

I don’t think the Soviet Union deliberately fell. But I do think that Communists everywhere decided that there was no way to prevent the fall. Russia was overextended, they couldn’t hold the Warsaw Pact states much longer, they were running out of money, and they were “contained” by America to the extent that they couldn’t spread any further by conquest.

So they regrouped. And, of course, there were covert and open Communists all over the world, especially in academia and some of the foundations.

Communism is an ideology, but it is also a very effective method of seizing and holding power. It uses whatever “fronts” will make it seem attractive—and thereby more powerful and influential. Helping the poor and downtrodden was the main meme, but as already mentioned, helping the environment is now another very important meme.

As I’ve said before, there’s nothing wrong with helping the environment, or helping the poor. The question is, how do youo do it? Are you really concerned to help, or is it just a method that will help to destroy “capitalism” and freedom and concentrate power in the hands of an elite? The Communist term for that elite is Vanguard of the Proletariat. Who knows? Maybe they’ll soon be coming up with a new one, the Vanguard of the Polar Bears. Greenpeace, for instance.


72 posted on 01/16/2010 9:03:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem

save for later


73 posted on 01/16/2010 9:23:06 AM PST by MadLibDisease (Proudly residing in Dar-al-Harb since 1959)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


74 posted on 01/16/2010 9:26:16 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: narses

It is beyond dispute that the Gramschian strategy of the Comintern ends up our daily reality of the West, through government takeover of poverty relief, education and healthcare, marginalization of religion and left wing march through the institutions that still remain ostensibly free.

The question is, do we deduce from that that the Comintern (or maybe the old KGB) is still in charge, or simply that the Comintern accurately predicted the unfortunate logic of history and interpreted it in a self-serving way?

I think the latter, for these reasons:

- The blows to the soviet system were very real. The USSR lost most its constituents republics, lost the status of world power, is militarily surronded by NATO, its brutality has been revealed, the failure of centrally planned economy evident to all. The soviet style of communism has no crown jewels left. Yet the doctrine that lead to this demise was unyielding Brezhnev doctrine of once Soviet, forever Soviet.

- The leftwing successes in the West could be explained without resorting to a Comintern plot. They are, in fact, attributable to something the Comintern was hostile toward, — they are attributable to democracy. Let us not forget that the idea to take from the 20% who are rich and give it to the 80% who are poor does not require plotters in the Kremlin, it is the idea that wins every time democratically.

- As we watched the events of 1980-90s unfold, we observed indeed a stage where the liberalization came according to the playbook, from the top. The failure of planned economy was evident to the Soviet rulers in the 70’s if not sooner; one could see repeated attempts to reshuffle the system all along: revitalize farmer interest in agriculture, build something grandiose (Obama did not invent “stimulus”) with student labor, steal technology from the West, swap arm control deals for commodity goods. In the early 80’s with the unsuccessful invasion of Afghanistan, it became clear that the crisis is irreversible. That a leader like Gorbachev would emerge was simply the matter of the old dinosaurs in Suslov/Chernenko mold to die out. It was no plot, just logic of history and economy. But in late 80’s it became also clear that graduated liberalization was not working. The “near abroad” erupted in massive civil unrest and in some cases wars. The Nagorny Karabakh war was the first, I think. This is when Gorbachev was ousted by a hardline communist coup and then the coup leaders were themselves ousted by the Russian Army turning, quite heroically, on their political leaders, and the Soviet Union was no more.

The zigs and zags of this story, especially the populist element that carried Yeltsyn to victory, make an idea of a secretly managed transition quite a bit absurd.


75 posted on 01/16/2010 9:41:31 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: neverdem
I agree that it has faked it's death. However, we have idiots like Medved on the radio still say that it is really dead.

It's alive and well through his beloved Hollywood that he pretends to dislike. Hollywood is the center of American communism since its founding.

Before or after the Berlin wall, no Hollywood film has addressed the actual history of communism. Why? Ask yourself? Why do those to run Hollywood not want America to know about communist history of murder and hatred?

Those of you who refuse to ask that question are avoiding the 600 pound gorilla in the room. The answer is right under your nose in California. The nerve center of communist propaganda in America.

76 posted on 01/16/2010 10:27:13 AM PST by SQUID
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To: aflaak

ping


77 posted on 01/16/2010 11:01:07 AM PST by r-q-tek86 (It isn't settled because it isn't science)
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To: neverdem

“Somewhere Sun Tzu is smiling, and it isn’t at America.”

Know Your Enemy

Recall how many times our intelligence has been plain awful?

Vietnam? Iran? Iraq?

And of course the unexpected fall of the Soviet Union?


78 posted on 01/16/2010 11:13:59 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: SpaceBar

And there are Maoist purists who have never forgiven the likes of Deng Hsiaoping sleeping and waiting their chance. The PLA is full of nationalist Maoists who resent the new bourgeoisie. They have adopted capitalist production methods to be able to arm themselves for the last push. People forget that Marx had great admiration for capitalism as the engine of change and foretold that before communism could be achieved societies had to go through the capitalist phase.


79 posted on 01/16/2010 11:14:15 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem

Way back in 1977 when I entered graduate school in political science a popular theory going around then was “convergence theory” which held that industrial socialites and capitalist and socialist societies were converging to become more and more alike and that at some point all societies would metastasize into modern welfare states as liberalization came to the communist countries and capitalist western countries became more socialist in nature. These people have never gone away.

A great myth prepetrated by conservatives in the west is that Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. The reality is that internal changes in the USSR were already ongoing. What really collapsed the “apparatchik party” Soviet Union during the August 1991 putsch was in reality due to those unknown KGB troops who refused to fire on fellow Muscovites. A lesson closely watched by leaders in Beijing who would learn from that experience when their turn came in Tienanmen square and thus imported troops who would gladly fire on Chinese before they cracked down. It was quirks of incidence that collapsed the Soviet Union rather than a concerted effort of the west. Some regimes garnered lessons from it such as China, some did not.

All that occurred in Russia is that the same people who were essentially in charge the day before, were still in charge the day after. What had actually occurred in August of 1991 was simply a change of management The corporation remained the same with new logos and new flags. Socialism was not and will never be defeated as long as there are ignorant saps that believe in the drivel f equality pushed by the “intellectual vanguard”. the great contradiction of collectivist movements is that they require the sacrifice of everyone towards some collective it is always led by individualists.

We need to kill the idea. The mistake of the right is that they have done little to export ideals of liberty or to proselytize them. We must combat the left who expand their movement by converting people to their religion by doing conversions of our own.


80 posted on 01/16/2010 11:46:33 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

81 posted on 01/16/2010 12:21:04 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: ezoeni
See tag line

See post #2.
82 posted on 01/16/2010 12:25:57 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Cicero; Cacique; Travis McGee; El Gato; Squantos
The Vanguard of the Polar Bears

This is the first pic that I remember in which the magazine was removed.
83 posted on 01/16/2010 1:00:22 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: SpaceBar
The remarkable part is the complete transformation of the democrat party into the true Communist Party of America, although some other group officially holds that title to deflect suspicion away from the true standard bearers. While Europe openly recognizes their communists, ours hide like cockroaches behind the "D" label and vehemently deny their true affiliations when confronted.

+1(in fact, changed my tagline to reflect this)

84 posted on 01/16/2010 1:41:22 PM PST by Marathoner (DNC: The TRUE Communist Party of America)
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To: neverdem

ping


85 posted on 01/16/2010 1:58:15 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: RoadTest
Nope - my comment was and is entirely correct, your fevered imagination is just more entertained by gloom and doom nonsense. But nonsense is all it is.
86 posted on 01/16/2010 9:25:21 PM PST by JasonC
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To: PhilDragoo
Now THAT is funny! I hope the people of Massachussets loudly boo Obama in Ceausescu style on Sunday.


87 posted on 01/16/2010 9:50:43 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: neverdem
 Communism Today
88 posted on 01/16/2010 9:53:52 PM PST by Tawiskaro
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To: Wingy

Please excuse my ignorance. What is BFL?


89 posted on 01/16/2010 10:15:13 PM PST by genetic homophobe (They hate Sarah because she lovingly carries a failed abortion on her hip.)
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To: SQUID

People will mock me for saying this but.....Medved is not what he says or appears to be. There is something not quite on the up and up with this man. He can persuasively fend off any criticisms, he effectively mocks anyone with just an inkling of the worldwide conspiracy, but that feeling of chewing on tinfoil remains.


90 posted on 01/16/2010 10:34:59 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: genetic homophobe

Bump For Later. More or less a placekeeper so I can find this thread easily for a more detailed perusal.


91 posted on 01/16/2010 10:59:33 PM PST by Wingy (Don't blame me. I voted for the chick. I hope to do so again.)
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To: RoadTest

When are you going to get your head of of the sand?


92 posted on 01/17/2010 4:04:32 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: Cacique
We need to kill the idea. The mistake of the right is that they have done little to export ideals of liberty or to proselytize them. We must combat the left who expand their movement by converting people to their religion by doing conversions of our own.

That is absolutely true. We should have continued to evangelize liberty. After the Wall fell, there was no specter of Eastern Bloc communism to scare the West back to sanity. Perspective was lost, and 'democracy' is held up as some fundamentally just incorruptible form of government with no potential for tyranny. The concepts of moral authority and constitutional limitation got lost in the shuffle as the demos cheered on centralization of power. Huge red flags should have gone up when GWB started spouting off about the 'kinder, gentler nation' followed by the Clintons with their '3rd Way' nonsense. Instead, the 'social justice' dogma became the guiding principle of western government. Even more sinister is the tendency now toward supranational governing bodies.

The scariest thing is not how tyrannical and rigid the 'Third Way' has become, but just how politically stable it is. As a tool for preserving order at any cost, perpetuating privilege, and stifling dissent it seems unsurpassed.

The worst have indeed gotten on top. If they don't overreach and start killing people by the millions, they look to be there for quite some time. So long as we have bread and circuses, the masses seem prepared to suffer the inevitable slide in personal affluence and liberty that must accompany this form of government.

As for Russia - not Communist anymore. The bottle may still read 'Coke', but the formula has been changed. Authoritarian? Yes. But that power is no longer being thrown around in the name of Marx. More of a 'trains run on time' brand of fascism if anything. Hayek considered this the logical product of a disillusioned collectivist state.
93 posted on 01/17/2010 7:43:08 AM PST by CowboyJay (RiNO - It's 'what's for dinner'...)
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To: CowboyJay

You just said it: brand of fascism if anything.

Cant agree more: kremlin in fact conscientiously turned to national socialism of Hitler type.

It was in development for some time and now they got it right:

expect genocidal wars


94 posted on 01/18/2010 10:02:45 AM PST by Kabud
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To: Kabud

National-socialism look-alike, IMO. More ‘Il Duce’ than ‘Mein Fuhrer’, and more fake than anything. Georgia was a staged show of force. Just enough to keep the West on their toes, and show any internal rivals that Putin is not to be messed with. Don’t get any sense of real ideological conviction or utopianism coming from him. He and his buddies aren’t interested in anything much beyond accumulating personal wealth, driving nice cars, and keeping up the obligatory dozen or so mistresses. The majority of Russians are positively sick of mass movements.

I think the real danger is a concerted effort between Russia and China to drop us to our knees, economically. We’ve been triangulating them against one another for decades. China depends on manufactured exports, and still needs us around for another 5-10 years. Russia does not.


95 posted on 01/19/2010 12:26:14 PM PST by CowboyJay (RiNO - It's 'what's for dinner'...)
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To: neverdem

Because there is no “Evil Empire” that owns real estate, has a flag and leaders banging shoes on tables screaming they will bury us, some no longer see the threat. However, the idea of communism/socialism in actuality is not confined to some concept of a national border or flag.

Communism/socialism is today as alive as it was in the past, in fact the number of people who see virtue and merit in this paradigm have risen since the fall of the wall in 1989 and there are many examples to prove this. The dangers of centralization, of the statist thinking and governance/economic model are today as strong as ever with possibly only the Great Depression as a rival.

Because there is no enemy that is associated with this system of economic and de facto political/religious thinking which opposes and threatens us, this dogma is not seen as a threat to our republic, freedom and way of life. This again can be paralleled in history, where many Americans were in love with the idea of National Socialism until we went to war with the Nazi’s....... Ford, Charles Lindbergh.....many liked the idea of National Socialism until this idea was associated with the bad guy. Certain ideas are catchy, and when there is no branding and/or negative association attributed to them, the gullible who are easily persuaded by the rhetoric of class warfare, theories all based on some concept of social conflict convince themselves that they have a personal net benefit in believing the lie they are being sold.


96 posted on 01/19/2010 9:42:53 PM PST by Red6
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To: neverdem

Here’s my surprised face:

{:-O


97 posted on 04/10/2010 7:07:01 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if people follow. Otherwise, you just wandered off.)
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To: SpaceBar

**The ideology is alive and well in thousands of hatcheries known as liberal arts departments...**

Fake its own death, NO ... but like all SCUM .. It cannot die it just coagulates into another form. As long as there are simpleminded “Useful Idiots,” that will continue to look for their Utopia, will always find their “BIG BROTHER!”

The simpleminded are mostly in the “Environmental Movement,” as AlBore has reminded us, that “you Can fool Some of the people ALL of the TIME”

As for an example of pure “Communism”, read Governor Bradford’s Journal of the Plymouth Plantation ..1620 Massachusetts. So the first Thanksgiving was THANKS to GOD, for killing the communistic experiment before it killed the entire colony.


98 posted on 04/10/2010 7:17:09 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Obama ... Mein Kampf is NOT a Textbook!!)
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To: Halgr

“The NWO is coming to life right before our eyes....and it’s Marxist...”
***

Yep. The biggest obstacle to the implementation of the NWO was American Exceptionalism and the USA’s status as a superpower. Ozero’s administration is trying to dismantle and remove that obstacle.


99 posted on 04/10/2010 7:24:00 AM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not diggin' this tyranny thing.)
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To: annalex

Perhaps. Perhaps also that it is a secretly managed transition that has gone out of control of those who set in motion. Perhaps they pretended to collapse, and while pretending, actually did so. (That would be a typical Soviet screw-up.) Meantime, their agents in the West continued their work- undermining capitalism and inserting their poisonous doctrines until the West eventually becomes communist of its own will.


100 posted on 04/10/2010 7:26:36 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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