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Haiti earthquake: President Preval says country like a war zone
The Telegraph ^ | January 16, 2010

Posted on 01/16/2010 7:02:31 AM PST by myknowledge

Haitian President Rene Preval said: "The damage I have seen here can be compared to the damage you would see if the country was bombed for 15 days. It is like in a war."

The 7.0-magnitude earthquake that devastated much of the hilly coastal city on Tuesday also collapsed the elegant presidential palace and his own home.

Authorities in Haiti, already the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere, are saying they believe the death toll will be between 100,000 and 200,000 and that three-quarters of the city will need to be rebuilt.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aftermath; deathtoll; duvalier; earthquakeaftermath; haiti; haitiearthquake; haitiquake2010; presidentpreval; preval; renepreval; warzone
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Earthquake-ravaged Haiti looks like a war zone indeed from everywhere.

1 posted on 01/16/2010 7:02:32 AM PST by myknowledge
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To: myknowledge

I’ve been doing a slow burn as our military is once more put in the role of social worker. This is a military and national security crisis. Chavez and Castro will take action if we don’t. It’s time to occupy Haiti for national security reasons and get control of the country. Maybe down the road we can do nation building since that’s worked so well in other parts of the world s\ but for now, order has to be restored at a minimum of risk to our military and relief workers. Its not going to happen though for fear the US will be accused of “gasp” imperialism. We’ve become a nation of wimps.


2 posted on 01/16/2010 7:06:37 AM PST by Mercat (With all due respect . . . this is the people's seat.)
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To: myknowledge
President Preval says country like a war zone

Because it was so lovely before..........

3 posted on 01/16/2010 7:06:55 AM PST by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: myknowledge

Looks like Warsaw at the end of WWII.


4 posted on 01/16/2010 7:08:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Mercat

well said.


5 posted on 01/16/2010 7:09:50 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Mercat

What do you do with a million people without shelter, food or medical help? My suggestion would be for all the Caribbean countries and other countries in tropical regions to accept multitude airlifts for these people. You can’t expect these people to survive in civilized 1st world countries with temperate climates. They wouldn’t know how to live.That may sound cruel but I see no other alternative. Haiti needs a mass evacuation of all its people to deal with this catastrophe.


6 posted on 01/16/2010 7:12:11 AM PST by eastforker (.If you design an idiot proof gadget, society will just build a better idiot!)
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To: dfwgator

Warsaw after two uprisings was just such a pile of rubble.


7 posted on 01/16/2010 7:14:04 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: eastforker
Speaking of aid...

Note to folks in Haiti: If anyone sees people holding up aid shipments so some bloody bureaucrat and/or NGO can play Lady Bountiful, take names and get pics if you can. Put the info out on the web. Don't wait for the MSM to do it because they won't. Get the info out there. The people who paid for all that aid will do the rest. God bless you.

8 posted on 01/16/2010 7:14:51 AM PST by mewzilla (Vote fraud is treason.)
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To: Ciexyz

Yes, but Warsaw was populated by Poles . . .


9 posted on 01/16/2010 7:19:39 AM PST by HelenChicago
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To: myknowledge

There are some bloated abdomens in that first picture. They need to get those bodies in the ground quick.


10 posted on 01/16/2010 7:20:10 AM PST by Styria
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To: Mercat

The USAF has sent aid to Port-au-Prince, right? They only sent airmen./sarc

11 posted on 01/16/2010 7:21:05 AM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: eastforker

Several years ago in St. Martin, while on vacation, we were told that many of those laboring were from Haiti. As I recall, they were not the nicest people, I wondered why at the time as at least they had escaped their horrible homeland.

Most of the Caribbean nations are already poor, St.Thomas is a mess with terrible crime and poverty. We were told to not leave our hotel at night unless we were in a taxi. I am not sure where they could go and not be in the same situation.


12 posted on 01/16/2010 7:21:53 AM PST by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: HelenChicago

Well, there is that. And they didn’t even get the benefit of the Marshall Plan. Plus, the Soviets just stole anything of worth and sent it back to Russia.


13 posted on 01/16/2010 7:21:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: mewzilla

America has been sending $290 million in aid every year for more than a decade. Haiti’s population is 9,780,000.
Where’s the money going ?


14 posted on 01/16/2010 7:24:51 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: ohiogrammy

While Haiti was never a paradise, it was Duvalier that brought it to the horrible state it’s in now. At least before Duvalier, Haiti had something resembling a middle and professional class.

Duvalier used the politics of racial envy to gain absolute power. You see, the relative-well-to-do in Haiti at the time, tended to be lighter-skinned mulattoes and Creoles.

Duvalier used the Tonton Macoutes to kill or intimidate these people, and he distributed the spoils to these thugs.

We are seeing a replay of this in Zimbabwe with Mugabe.

We should dump all of the Haitian refugees at the doorstep of Baby Doc’s French Mansion.


15 posted on 01/16/2010 7:26:40 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ohiogrammy

Then maybe we should hope for a more powerful earthquake in the very near future/sarc


16 posted on 01/16/2010 7:27:46 AM PST by eastforker (.If you design an idiot proof gadget, society will just build a better idiot!)
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To: ohiogrammy

Then maybe we should hope for a more powerful earthquake in the very near future/sarc


17 posted on 01/16/2010 7:29:02 AM PST by eastforker (.If you design an idiot proof gadget, society will just build a better idiot!)
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To: eastforker
Guantanamo is only about a hundred miles across the water. Set up a big refugee camp and hospital there for the short term, get these people out of the rubble and disease until it can be cleaned up.
18 posted on 01/16/2010 7:32:50 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mercat
Agreed. And yo know as well as I do that Obama has blown it through prejudice against the military.

Obama chose the kumbayah aid model. His inesxperience is on rank display for all to see. Obama has a ;earning curve so flat that even the earths curvature has no effect on giving it help.Stupid asinine POS is this pretend president.

You know that the only winners in this debacle will be typhus and bubonic plague microbes, as the trapped corpses rot and fester, and the rains and rats come.

SHAME!

19 posted on 01/16/2010 7:33:18 AM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: myknowledge

Forbes quoted Preval this morning as well.

Haiti leader urges end to quake aid squabbling
By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU and MIKE MELIA , 01.16.10, 10:09 AM EST

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — Haitian President Rene Preval is imploring the international community to better coordinate the massive aid effort for his country and not to squabble over how to provide it.

Preval says it is “an extremely difficult situation. We must keep our cool to do coordination and not to throw accusations at each other.”

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/01/16/general-cb-haiti-earthquake_7280088.html?boxes=Homepagebusinessnews


20 posted on 01/16/2010 7:34:33 AM PST by winoneforthegipper (I will follow the "True North-star" and that's, Sarah!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

About a dollar a day per capita - I guess they’re saving it for a rainy day.


21 posted on 01/16/2010 7:35:36 AM PST by stormer
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To: hinckley buzzard

I agree, these people need to be moved now. No water, no sanitation, dead bodies, no food, no shelter and this is only day 4 going on five. Wait and see what happens after another week if you think it’s bad now.


22 posted on 01/16/2010 7:37:02 AM PST by eastforker (.If you design an idiot proof gadget, society will just build a better idiot!)
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To: myknowledge

You know, it is , of course, a horrible tragedy—I feel terrible for the people, as I would if the same thing happened anywhere in the world.

I heard some news idiot on TV talking about how the “Western world” was obligated to save Haiti—actually, that moron is too stupid to realize that Haiti IS PART OF the “Western world” . What’s more, they have been free and independent almost as long as the US.

However, they neither have had the leadership, nor the average citizens that the US has had—in the 21st Century, there is 70% illiteracy, they have said (which means the real number is probably 85%) C orruption, crime, etc run rampant—I’m fine with the US helping—but in terms of billions upon billions—where did the billions we already gave go—and why did that money do no good?

And I sure as hell don’t want thousands of Haitians to come here-helping to turn us into more of a 3rd World hellhole—we’re doing that already.


23 posted on 01/16/2010 7:38:39 AM PST by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: Mac from Cleveland

“actually, that moron is too stupid to realize that Haiti IS PART OF the “Western world””

Yeah, what a moron. I guess the Cherokee Nation was part of the West, as well, eh? How about Alaskan/Canadian natives? Yep, they’re Westerners too. Polynesians? Yep, Westerners. Mayans? Westerners. Incans? Most Western indeed.

Just like Australia/NZ is part of the East, right? lol I guess Australia is the most successful Asian/Eastern country then. Ignore the fact that everything it has done was done by...Westerners. Aussies are no more part of the “East” than Haitians are part of the “West.”

Man, the things morons say.


24 posted on 01/16/2010 7:43:50 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: myknowledge

Hmmm, a “war zone” after an earthquake or a near lawless zone prior to an earthqauke....=.=


25 posted on 01/16/2010 7:46:46 AM PST by cranked
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To: eastforker
You can’t expect these people to survive in civilized 1st world countries with temperate climates. They wouldn’t know how to live.

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Gee, the Haitian families I know who are thriving in NYC, NJ, Washington, Boston, Toronto, Montreal, France, Germany...didn't know that they couldn't survive in these places. Thanks for letting us know.

26 posted on 01/16/2010 7:48:55 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: stormer

About a dollar a day per capita

$29/year per head.....2 wks subsistence in this $2-a-day country


27 posted on 01/16/2010 7:53:40 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Mercat

I was thinking along similar lines last night during an interview with the Marine commander of this op for the MEU. He was asked about the mission- specifically how much security could the marines provide. He said security is not their mission and they will be briefed on the ROE’s- but they will not be performing security for Haiti.

It’s madness.


28 posted on 01/16/2010 7:53:54 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: wtc911

And I would bet they are educated and employable. The truth is many of those in Haiti have never had a job or if they did it was menial.The people you speak of sound like they had the fore sight and ambition to leave that country and make a better life for themselves. That can not be said of the vast majority of them.


29 posted on 01/16/2010 7:56:13 AM PST by eastforker (.If you design an idiot proof gadget, society will just build a better idiot!)
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To: wtc911

Or all of those Nuyoriquans, who left their sunny island.


30 posted on 01/16/2010 7:56:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
While Haiti was never a paradise, it was Duvalier that brought it to the horrible state it’s in now. At least before Duvalier, Haiti had something resembling a middle and professional class.

Duvalier used the politics of racial envy to gain absolute power. You see, the relative-well-to-do in Haiti at the time, tended to be lighter-skinned mulattoes and Creoles.

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Like it or not, the fact of history is that we, the US, supported Duvalier simply because he wasn't a communist, just like we did Pinochet, Trujillo and others in Latin America as well as the Shah in Iran and a series of strong-arm leaders in Viet Nam and Korea. That was our Foreign Policy at the time. The same policy had us supporting the Taliban against the Russians in Afghanistan.

When Papa died and Baby took over the only foreign diplomat at the swearing in ceremony was Knox, the US Ambassador.

31 posted on 01/16/2010 7:57:06 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: myknowledge

Pardon me for being a boor but did the earthquake not occur on the other half of Hispaniola? Why are there no pleas for help for the population of the Dominican Republic?


32 posted on 01/16/2010 7:58:55 AM PST by j.argese
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To: myknowledge

For the good of the country of Haiti and humanity, we should assume control of the government post-haste. It’s a chance to fix something very, very broken.


33 posted on 01/16/2010 7:59:37 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: wtc911

Oh, did I forget to mention the vast majority of New Orleans that evacuated after Katrina suffered the same affliction?


34 posted on 01/16/2010 8:00:13 AM PST by eastforker (.If you design an idiot proof gadget, society will just build a better idiot!)
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To: eastforker

The first wave to leave Haiti in the sixties were the educated Creole class, that’s true. But, it is also true that the second wave, the ‘boat people’ who were peasants in the true sene, have been in northern cities for two decades now and are doing just fine. Their kids are doing better than many ‘American’ kids. You see it all the time in NJ, NY and Boston.


35 posted on 01/16/2010 8:02:58 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Spike Knotts

Yeah, the things morons say.....

Haiti is an independent republic, located in the Western Hemisphere (Port au Prince is west of Boston, in terms of longitude)with its own constitution-it has been a member of the UN since 1945, and is a OAS and Rio Treaty member.

Most Haitian natives had ancestors were brought over from Africa 300 years ago-the descendants have been there ever since, and you are saying they aren’t at least, technically, “Westerners” what are they then-does that logic extend to American blacks as well?


36 posted on 01/16/2010 8:03:59 AM PST by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: j.argese

We have family in both Haiti and the DR. The DR got tremors, nothing more. No damage, no casualties.


37 posted on 01/16/2010 8:04:15 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: myknowledge
[President Preval says country like a war zone]

Translation: Send money so I can retire with $50M in the bank and let these losers fend for themselves.

38 posted on 01/16/2010 8:05:14 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Payne)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Oops - Right you are. I was being generous with my math and gave them an extra zero. I guess aid to Haiti is even more paltry than I thought.


39 posted on 01/16/2010 8:09:57 AM PST by stormer
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Preval already has his stash hidden in some French account thanks to our tax dollars. I want to know where the worthless U.N. is and why aren’t they in charge of the relief from the coffers of their member nations, not just the USA


40 posted on 01/16/2010 8:10:20 AM PST by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: eastforker
I agree, these people need to be moved now.

By the end of the first day when the amount of destruction became obvious, my husband said the folks in the city should be taken (forced if necessary) to the coast and housed in tent cities, otherwise really "bad" things (disease, etc.) are going to take place. I have seen no effort to move the Haitians out of or away from the rubble, decay, and death zone. Who knows how many bodies are buried in those collapsed buildings? It's going to get very ugly, very fast, and yet no one seems to be "in charge."

41 posted on 01/16/2010 8:12:39 AM PST by dawn53
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To: wtc911

Yep, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” sucks as a foreign policy.


42 posted on 01/16/2010 8:12:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: eastforker

“My suggestion would be for all the Caribbean countries and other countries in tropical regions to accept multitude airlifts for these people.”

You’re nuts!!! But I will give you a lot of slack since I realize you are not informed in these areas.

Don’t shove this problem on to Caribbean countries and Central America. No one wants these feral animals around. They will always be a danger to the citizens and a drain on the economy in everyway to include having to hire extra police and build more jails.

You are free to invite them to share an extra room in your house, though...if you can stand the stench...and I mean that!!!

I was leaving for the States one day, and I was behind some Haitians. The stench of fecal matter emanating from them took me by surprise. IT WAS AWFUL!!!!

Luckily they were headed back to Haiti. I was headed for Miami; therefore, we were not on the same aircraft.

If you are so concerned, better they be airlifted to the U.S.


43 posted on 01/16/2010 8:55:50 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Thats my point, I wouldn’t want them here either.Let them go to other third world countries where they would feel more at home.


44 posted on 01/16/2010 8:58:54 AM PST by eastforker (.If you design an idiot proof gadget, society will just build a better idiot!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’m not sure what you are implying, but roughly 55 cents a week in aid doesn’t make a Haitian rich.


45 posted on 01/16/2010 9:00:20 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: eastforker

“Thats my point, I wouldn’t want them here either.Let them go to other third world countries where they would feel more at home.”

My God you are ignorant!!!!

You have a head of lead.

Because a country might be poor they are also stupid and will welcome these feral animals?

My God you are ignorant!!!


46 posted on 01/16/2010 9:18:25 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Well then bygod lets just carpet bomb the country and be done with it then/sarc


47 posted on 01/16/2010 9:21:57 AM PST by eastforker (.If you design an idiot proof gadget, society will just build a better idiot!)
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To: wtc911
Thanks for that report. I knew the basic geography of the island but nothing in depth. I thought with the tsunami warnings that were provided after the quake the entire island was under some distress.

Prayers for your family and hope all turns out well.

48 posted on 01/16/2010 9:41:23 AM PST by j.argese
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To: j.argese
We know of two family dead, a Doctor and a young woman who was working down there in a bank. An older cousin of my wife's ran an orphanage. It was destroyed and all inside were killed. The cousin was in New Orleans visiting her father.

The family members in the DR are retired doctors who fled Haiti in the sixties, moved to Montreal and NYC then retired. The DR reminds them of the Haiti they knew fifty years ago.

49 posted on 01/16/2010 9:46:10 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: hinckley buzzard

Airlift them all to Guantanamo, then tell them they can’t stay there, shove them off onto Castro.


50 posted on 01/16/2010 10:10:35 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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