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The Democrats are doomed. What better time to tackle climate change? (These rats are suicidal!)
The New Republic ^ | January 16, 2010 | The Editors

Posted on 01/16/2010 1:48:51 PM PST by neverdem

Democrats in Congress have a lot to juggle in the year ahead. If they want to avoid a slaughter at the polls, they’ll need to boost job growth. Not only that, but Wall Street remains poorly regulated, and key allies are growing impatient for labor-law and immigration reform. So it’s hardly a shock to hear that some Dems would prefer to set aside tackling climate change--especially so soon after a grueling health care fight. “We need to deal with the phenomena of global warming,” Indiana Senator Evan Bayh recently groused, “but I think it’s very difficult in the economic circumstances we have right now.”

Difficult, but maybe less so than Bayh thinks. The House has already passed its own climate bill, complete with a cap on heat-trapping greenhouse gases, and, in the Senate, Democrats have begun to get some welcome support from the other side of the aisle. Susan Collins is co-sponsoring a cap-and-dividend bill, which would essentially tax carbon dioxide at the source and refund most of the proceeds to households, while a few Republicans (like Lisa Murkowski) had positive things to say about last month’s Copenhagen accord, which put key developing countries on a path to curtailing their own emissions. Interestingly, one of the most forceful advocates for a Senate climate bill in recent weeks has been Republican Lindsey Graham. “All the cars and trucks and plants that have been in existence since the Industrial Revolution, spewing out carbon day-in and day-out, you’ll never convince me that’s a good thing for your children and the future of the planet,” he told a crowd in South Carolina, the day after being censured by Charleston County’s GOP for working with Democrats on the issue. “Whatever political pushback I get,” he added, “I’m willing to accept, because I know what I’m trying to do makes sense to me.” Lately, he’s been huddling with John Kerry and Joe Lieberman on a “tripartisan” bill to reduce emissions.

Some have argued that Congress would be crazy to take on an issue as divisive as climate change in an election year, but the Senate, with only one-third of its members up for reelection, is less susceptible to that calculus than the House. And election-year timidity may be more an invention of pundits than historical fact. After all, welfare reform passed in the summer of 1996, while the most recent Clean Air Act amendments--including a cap-and-trade system for sulfur dioxide-passed the Senate in 1990. Besides, most senators realize that, if they don’t act soon, the Environmental Protection Agency will start regulating carbon-dioxide emissions on its own, cutting Congress out of the process entirely.

Of course, the Senate should act to curb greenhouse gases not to avoid being trumped by the EPA, but to avert an ecological catastrophe that will affect the lives of millions. In the United States, as Bayh’s hesitation shows, much of the debate around climate policy has focused on whether we can shift to cleaner forms of energy without harming the economy in any way. Green groups have taken pains to cite stat-heavy reports from the Congressional Budget Office showing that a cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions would have a minimal impact on family budgets and little effect on economic growth. But there’s a large ethical aspect to climate change, too. Hundreds of millions of people in places like Bangladesh and sub-Saharan Africa are set to suffer from the storms, floods, and crop failures that a hotter planet will bring. And future generations of Americans will have to contend with unstable weather patterns, water shortages, and rising sea levels if we don’t get our emissions under control.

On both scientific and political grounds, time is of the essence. Every year we put off curbing emissions is another year more carbon accumulates in the air, deepening the risks of disaster and making eventual action more difficult. A delay could also shatter the fragile progress made on global emissions over the past few months--both China and India have pledged to rein in their carbon pollution, but they could easily backslide if we do. Worst of all, Democrats are likely to lose at least a few seats in November--and with them, their chances of overcoming a GOP filibuster--so this may be their last chance for some time to set limits on greenhouse gases.

Recently, some senators have talked about breaking up the House bill and passing only the most popular portions, such as the mandate for electric utilities to buy renewable power, or loans for green technology. But those items can’t substitute for a carbon-pricing regime, whether a cap or a tax, that will shift companies away from dirty energy. And splitting off the easy items now could make it more difficult to attract votes for emission limits down the road. The White House seems to recognize this and has so far committed to a major push on carbon-capping legislation in the spring. The bill that emerges won’t be perfect, but its timing may never get better.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bho44; capandtrade; climatechange; democrats; donttreadonme; envirofascism; enviromarxism; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; liberalfascism; tnr
Lisa Murkowski needs to be primaried ASAP.

I have never read any political analysis as dumb as this. Forget the fact that global warming is the biggest hoax in history. If they want one last banzai charge, be my guest.

1 posted on 01/16/2010 1:48:51 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
If Democrats want to raise people's utility bills in the midst of a recession, they are really suicidal. If Brown gets elected, cap and trade is not going to make it out of the Senate.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

2 posted on 01/16/2010 1:51:47 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem; rdl6989; mmanager; FreedomPoster; carolinablonde; bamahead; Delacon; SteamShovel; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 01/16/2010 1:52:22 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Freedom from fat cat greedy Big Government tyranny IS a Right ... It IS the Constitution.)
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To: neverdem
If they want one last banzai charge, be my guest.


4 posted on 01/16/2010 1:55:22 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: neverdem
Hey! Brown is gonna continue the rout with a 55% to 40% victory because even the lefty liberal Dems in MA know that Obamacare ain't gonna be any better than Romneycare!!!

Conservative Republicans had better study up on conservative public policy and fiscal conservatism because they're gonna git put ta work in massive majorities this fall!!!

Forget the popcorn!!! Git ta work because we must be certain this is a buncha consecutive conservative landslides so THEY CAN'T CHEAT!!! (and that includes RINO's)

5 posted on 01/16/2010 1:58:38 PM PST by SierraWasp (Ammunition IS the international monitary fund... ! ! ! ... ... ! ! ! ... ... ! ! ! ...)
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To: goldstategop

Suicidal and delusional. Shouldn’t they be in the crazy hospital?


6 posted on 01/16/2010 1:59:25 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: neverdem

“We need to deal with the phenomena of global warming,” Indiana Senator Evan Bayh recently groused, “but I think it’s very difficult in the economic circumstances we have right now.”

The snow kinda screws up the timing too!


7 posted on 01/16/2010 2:00:32 PM PST by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: darkangel82

lemmings - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - over the cliff. bye.


8 posted on 01/16/2010 2:05:28 PM PST by avital2
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To: neverdem

Democrats: “Let’s see: I’ve shot myself in the temple — twice, electrocuted myself, I’m choking on this noose, and my wrists are slit. I probably should drink this poison to cure all these ailments!”


9 posted on 01/16/2010 2:06:41 PM PST by Lazamataz (America has been dead for a while; It's interesting to watch the cadaver cool.)
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To: goldstategop
If Brown gets elected, cap and trade is not going to make it out of the Senate.

Per the article, you reckon without the likes of Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and the irrepressible Lindsay Graham.

Even McCain was in favor of cap and tax during the campaign, reversing his field only after he was defeated.

At this stage, there are only two reasons to pursue some kind of "Climate Change" legislation.

1. You're unbelievably stupid.

2. Or, you're in on the scam.

I suspect the GOPers involved probably come under category #1.

10 posted on 01/16/2010 2:17:06 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: HangnJudge

Free Republic should rehire Steven Glass to write their global warming articles. He has an extensive record of making up lies and writing stories based on those falsehoods. Glass would be the perfect person to carry on the global warming fraud at FreeRFepublic.


11 posted on 01/16/2010 2:23:55 PM PST by peeps36 (Democrats Don't Need No Stinking Input From You Little People)
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To: darkangel82

Only the democrats would think that they can actually DO something about the weather.


12 posted on 01/16/2010 2:24:26 PM PST by Walrus (My congressman is toast in 2010 --- how about yours?)
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To: neverdem

When your enemy is making a mistake, don’t stop him....


13 posted on 01/16/2010 2:27:01 PM PST by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: my small voice
“We need to deal with the phenomena of global warming,”

What are these phenomena that need dealing with?

* Massive fraud resulting from the politicization of “science’.
* Mass delusion.
* World's mass media turned into propaganda machine to create and sustain the mass delusion, and support the massive fraud.
* Massive suppression of academic and individual freedoms.

14 posted on 01/16/2010 2:27:02 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: peeps36
Free Republic should rehire Steven Glass
to write their global warming articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Glass_(reporter)

Don't you mean The New Republic?

15 posted on 01/16/2010 2:31:08 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: neverdem

It’s as if these people live in a cave. They still thinks it’s 2005 when children were required to watch Al Gore’s comical warming documentary and anyone who questioned the content was deemed a pariah. The global warming hoax has been vetted and everyone knows the theory has been discredited. The only thing I can think is that Barry and his Senator friends are still using the issue as another trojan horse for wealth redistribution.


16 posted on 01/16/2010 2:33:07 PM PST by purplelobster
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To: HangnJudge

I’m thinking of General Custer charging 10,000 blood thristy heavily armed Indians with 225 lightly armed troopers: It was glorious, but not war, or in this case politics.


17 posted on 01/16/2010 2:49:38 PM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: neverdem

BTW, Global Warming propaganda editorials should not be posted on Free Republic under their stamp of approval.

Who approved this crap?

Aren’t the editors at Free Republic aware Global Warming is a hoax?


18 posted on 01/16/2010 2:55:38 PM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: HangnJudge

Whoops!! My brain is still a little foggy following a two day hunting trip to New Jersey. I managed to sleep an hour and a half in the roach motel my friend booked for us.


19 posted on 01/16/2010 3:06:16 PM PST by peeps36 (Democrats Don't Need No Stinking Input From You Little People)
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To: Ronbo1948
Aren’t the editors at Free Republic aware Global Warming is a hoax?

It's ironic that you ask about awareness.

20 posted on 01/16/2010 3:07:22 PM PST by Stentor (The Criminal Obama Administration.)
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To: peeps36
a two day hunting trip to New Jersey

Did you take the cannoli?

21 posted on 01/16/2010 3:09:20 PM PST by Stentor (The Criminal Obama Administration.)
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To: Ronbo1948
BTW, Global Warming propaganda editorials should not be posted on Free Republic under their stamp of approval.

Who approved this crap?

Aren’t the editors at Free Republic aware Global Warming is a hoax?

See comment# 1. Do you always write comments before you read what the poster has possibly written? You got a hint with my subtitle, (These rats are suicidal!)

The New Republic is one of the house organs of the left. Should we remain oblivious when they think out loud?

22 posted on 01/16/2010 3:16:52 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

The DimoCrats are a Cult of Death, all suffering from DCVE (Death Camp Victim Envy) If they can’t run the slave camps they want to be able to “prove” what good and innocent victims they are”, by becoming one of it’s mass graves statistics.


23 posted on 01/16/2010 3:23:10 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: neverdem

Hey Democraps...How much money are you going to throw at Global warming? Well then...Print it and throw it. Print it and throw it. Print it and throw it. Tear down another forest and then print it and throw it. We’ll be right here. What a bunch of a$$clowns....


24 posted on 01/16/2010 3:38:10 PM PST by FDNYRHEROES (In just His first 3 days, the War on Terror became the War on Free Speech.)
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To: goldstategop
What a bunch of morons.
25 posted on 01/16/2010 4:53:10 PM PST by 4Liberty ( we have a rat problem .)
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To: Lazamataz
More taxes. That'll help the economy...
26 posted on 01/16/2010 4:54:30 PM PST by 4Liberty ( we have a rat problem .)
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To: SierraWasp

What a contest, Rummeycare vs. Obumblecare!

Glad I don’t live in Messachuchits!


27 posted on 01/16/2010 5:12:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Lazamataz

Follow it up with an Icewater Enema to celebrate global warming.......


28 posted on 01/16/2010 5:15:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Ronbo1948

Huh?


29 posted on 01/16/2010 5:17:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: All

Doesn’t South Carolina have recall”
Why doesnt this RINO MAXIMUS just pull a Spector


30 posted on 01/16/2010 5:22:03 PM PST by wheninthecourse
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To: neverdem

OOPS! A Thousand Pardons!


31 posted on 01/16/2010 5:50:39 PM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: editor-surveyor

Never mind. Friendly fire incident. Sorry.


32 posted on 01/16/2010 5:52:22 PM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: goldstategop
"raise utility bills"

The Dems are lucky gas isn't over three bucks a gallon as it soon may well be. Once it gets over that mark, John Q. Public will start complaining again about gas prices and evil oil companies. Obama will naturally make the wrong move and establish price controls which will lead to rationing. That should kill whatever slim chances he has of getting re-elected.

33 posted on 01/16/2010 5:54:02 PM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: neverdem

Huh? (I’m busy pulling my foot out of my mouth)


34 posted on 01/16/2010 5:54:30 PM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: goldstategop

MCCain is for it so is Grahm, Collins,Snowe forget it


35 posted on 01/17/2010 3:42:54 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: neverdem

Sorry, but you can’t fix “stupid”. Murkowski has swallowed a bill of goods, and reality seems of no importance to her. Suicidal imbecility.


36 posted on 01/17/2010 9:17:20 AM PST by Richard Axtell (Obama's Hope and Change.... I hope we can change... the present regime.)
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To: FDNYRHEROES

According to Richard Tol at http://umbrellog.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=95688 the following “Summary for Policy Makers is very selective, up to the point of twisting the chapters’ findings beyond recognition. In case of SAR WG3 Chapter 6, this was done against the will of the authors. The IPCC has learned from that. The selection process for authors is now more careful (awkward people like myself are not welcome) and there is self-selection too (David Pearce withdrew).” Richard Tol

CLIMATE POLICY—FROM RIO TO KYOTO
A Political Issue for 2000—and Beyond
http://media.hoover.org/documents/epp_102b.pdf

(In particular refer to page 19/20: ‘Politics Enters into Drafting the IPCC Report.’ Here examples are given of ‘substantial changes ... made between the time when the report was approved in Madrid and the time it was printed.The convening lead author, Ben Santer, readily admitted to making these changes.)


37 posted on 01/17/2010 7:43:08 PM PST by ManBearPig2
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To: Walrus

Check out the work of Miskolczi and Zagoni. They have, mostly the former researcher, described the thermodynamics of CO2 and the atmosphere.

Basically water vapor runs the show and accommodates CO2 as it rises and falls. Water vapor rises, carries heat upwards, condensation releases the heat at altitude to be lost to space, and the resulting clouds also prevent more energy from entering. This massive, global heat engine and negative feedback system acts so well that our climate is ridiculously stable as long as our orbit, axis of rotation, or the solar output do not change.

So, regardless of the fudging of the temperature data (which is illegal as it was intended to defraud, as it was intended to be used for major policy decisions), the simple fact is that CO2 cannot drive the climate. This is now well-described science which does not need a ridiculously expensive climate computer model to describe or understand.


38 posted on 01/17/2010 9:31:52 PM PST by Charles Higley (CO2 scientifically fails to warm)
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To: goldstategop

Yeah, with Climategate it really is suicidal. No one is going to want their electricity bills skyrocket for no reason and Climategate proved their entire reasoning is fraudulent.


39 posted on 01/17/2010 9:40:25 PM PST by livingwill
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