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Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island (Was once France’s richest colonial possession)
The First Post ^ | 01/15/2010 | Tim Edwards

Posted on 01/16/2010 3:27:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Once the richest French colony in the Americas - contributing as much as 50 per cent of the mother country's wealth - Haiti now vies with Nicaragua for the title of poorest country in the New World. Thanks to yesterday's magnitude 7.0 earthquake, it is likely to fall further behind its fellow developing nations.

The nation, the western half of the Caribbean island of Hispaniola, came under French rule in 1697 when it was called Saint-Domingue. (The eastern other half of the island - now the Dominican Republic - went to the Spaniards.)

Through the course of the 18th century the colony became the richest in the French-speaking New World, thanks to coffee and sugar plantations run on slave labour.

Given its former vast natural wealth, how did Haiti become so poor?

THE FRENCH CONNECTIONHaiti has been plundered throughout its history. It got off to a bad start immediately following independence from France in 1804, when Jean-Jacques Dessalines and an army of slaves defeated French troops sent by Napoleon to restore slavery.

Dessalines, himself a former slave, was proclaimed emperor by his men who named the island after its American Indian name, Ayiti, which means 'land of mountains'.

Dessalines's rule was short, violent and populist. He forbade white people from owning property and ruled that the black population must either work in the plantations or in the army. He was assassinated in 1806.

A nation forged by a slave revolt set a terrible precedent in a world heavily dependent on slave labour and France persuaded Spain and the US to join it in an economic embargo.

Desperate for international recognition, Haiti eventually agreed in 1838 to pay reparations to France in order to compensate slave owners and their heirs. The sum, 150 million francs, is estimated at $21bn in today's money, and kept Haiti in debt to France for the next 80 years.

To add insult to injury in the interim, Haiti's national bank was plundered on several occasions by US, British, French and German forces. Expatriates from the same countries bankrolled multiple plots against ephemeral governments in order to further their business interests; in its 200-year history, Haiti has endured 32 coups.

THE AMERICAN TAKEOVERIn 1915, the United States occupied the country, fearing the growing influence of the German community there. A period of stability followed, although the introduction of chain-gangs to improve the country's infrastructure was deeply unpopular in a country founded by slaves.

The US's primary legacy when it pulled out in 1934 was a strong, well-organised military. For the next 50 years the country would be governed by military dictatorships epitomised by that of physician Francois Duvalier.

'Papa Doc', as he was known, seized power in a military coup in 1956.

THE PAPA DOC YEARS'Papa Doc' Duvalier (above) won elections in 1957 on a populist ticket but threw off any pretence of democracy in 1964 when he made himself president for life.

The US tacitly supported him because of Haiti's strategic location close to Fidel Castro's Cuba, and for fear that it would also turn communist.

Papa Doc is widely credited with 30,000 deaths - mostly at the hands of the Tonton Macoutes, the paramilitary force he created to replace the army, which he disbanded for fear that it would topple him.

Papa Doc confiscated land held by peasants to give to members of the Tonton Macoutes. He further consolidated his power over the poor black majority by reviving Haiti's voodoo traditions - setting himself up as a voodoo priest.

This period was famously evoked in Graham Greene's 1966 novel, The Comedians, later filmed with Richard Burton and Alec Guinness.

THE HAITIAN DIASPORAWhen Duvalier died in 1971, he was succeeded by his son Jean-Claude, or 'Baby Doc', who continued his father's repressive policies, but began to lose the support of the black majority.

He fled the country in 1986 for France with the assistance of the Reagan administration in the United States. Today he is believed to be living modestly in Paris - or Brooklyn. Attempts since then to hold democratic elections have ended in disarray.

The corruption and repression of these kleptocratic regimes, which stole aid money meant for the poorest, forced educated professionals into exile. There are large populations of Haitians today in Miami, New York and French-speaking Montreal as well as on other Caribbean islands.

Haiti has never really recovered from this brain drain which led to a serious lack of teachers and doctors.

ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATIONThe almost total deforestation of Haiti has added to the island's problems. In 1923, over 60 per cent of Haiti was covered by lush forests; in 2006, that had fallen to less than two per cent, thanks to the demand for charcoal, the main source of fuel in dirt-poor Port-au-Prince, and land for agriculture. This has led to soil erosion, desertification and floods


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KEYWORDS: earthquake; france; haiti; poverty; worldhistory
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1 posted on 01/16/2010 3:27:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Every island colony that gained “independence” from the Europeans has turned into some sort of hellhole.

Some less than others, but all to great degrees.

Tribalism doesn’t work in the modern world.


2 posted on 01/16/2010 3:31:40 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

After visiting French Polynesia last spring I can answer the question in one word. FRANCE. All three islands we visited are the pits. Unemployment, garbage, falling down structures, you name it.


3 posted on 01/16/2010 3:32:48 PM PST by ProudFossil
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To: freedumb2003

RE : Tribalism doesn’t work in the modern world

Interesting news from yesteryears:

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43a/354.html

Voodoo seeks a role in a democratic Haiti

By Kathie Klarreich, The Christian Science Monitor, 25 July 1995

PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI - PART of a voyage that has lasted more than 300 years, today’s Haitians who practice the ancient religion of voodoo are hoping that they will be given the recognition they say they deserve. Democracy has presented them with a chance to overturn years of misrepresentation and undo decades of manipulation at the hands of dictators.

President Jean-Bertrand Aristide received nearly 500 voodoo priests (houngan) and priestesses (mambo) at the National Palace this week. Sporting traditional white robes or hand-crafted garb of brightly colored African fabric, the visitors sang, chanted, and saluted the former Roman Catholic priest. And they passionately presented him with a wish list. “We want a national peristyle,” said representative Jean-Saurel Francillon, referring to a voodoo temple. “We want to participate in national decisions. We want a school for our children and training for our midwives and ... doctors.”

Voodooists represent the largest sector of the Haitian population - there’s a saying here that Haitians are 90 percent Catholic, 100 percent voodoo - but they have no legal rights. Voodoo baptisms and marriages are not recognized by the state. Voodooists are not allowed to hold a funeral in a Catholic church.

“We need our own temple so we can take care of ourselves,” said Marie Magdala Brandel, a practicing mambo of 15 years. While waiting to meet the president she spoke in a quiet but firm voice, denouncing the inequities afforded voodooism versus other religions. She was particularly enraged over the “invasion” by evangelical churches that she says “ostracize the mother religion” of her country. Haitian voodoo (spelled vodou in Haiti) was born of the needs of slaves brought from Africa’s west coast in the 1700s. The often-illiterate workers had to find a way to communicate between themselves and worship collectively while respecting their individual heritages.

“On the plantations, there was no freedom at all. Although slaves were forced to speak a certain way, bear European names, and submit to baptism, they never forgot their culture,” says Ronald (Aboudja) Derenencourt, a houngan who has done extensive research on voodoo. “Inside the slave quarters, late at night, a voodoo was developed that was disguised with Catholic symbols to fool the masters. It has survived 300 years of domination,” he explains.

After coming to power in 1804, Haiti’s first emperor outlawed voodoo in his constitution. President Stenio Vincent’s government issued a decree banning the practice in 1935. In 1942 the Catholic church, with the help of the Haitian Army, launched a vast campaign against voodoo. Houngans and mambos were forced underground. When Francois (Papa Doc) Duvalier came to power in 1957, he managed to coerce many of the voodoo priests and priestesses to join his paramilitary force, the Tonton Macoutes. He used the voodoo structure to keep a tight control on the population and ward off potential revolts.

“The past government’s plots against voodoo - that’s finished, finished, finished completely,” President Aristide says. “If Haiti hasn’t disappeared over the last 200 years, it’s because of you.”

Aristide promised to satisfy the requests laid before him, starting with the donation of land for a national temple. He asked the voodoo leaders to help spread peace and democracy, rather than use voodoo as a tool of repression.

Voodoo is often associated with black magic. It is represented by zombies or dolls that are pricked with pins. But for Haitians, voodoo is a way of life.

The Christian Science Monitor. All rights reserved.


4 posted on 01/16/2010 3:33:14 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
May I be the first to say...


5 posted on 01/16/2010 3:34:58 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a combination of insufficient capital and too much labor.


6 posted on 01/16/2010 3:35:02 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: ProudFossil

This is interesting news from 6 years ago. I wonder whether Haiti has changed since then.... Culture and prevalent beliefs affect a country’s prosperity.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/1456192/Voodoo-spirits-get-credit-for-Aristides-flight.html

Voodoo spirits get credit for Aristide’s flight

By Marcus Warren in Port-au-Prince
Published: 12:01AM GMT 06 Mar 2004

President Jean-Bertrand Aristide did not flee Haiti because he lost his nerve. Neither did the United States blackmail him. No, the most satisfying explanation for the country’s recent upheavals is that the spirits were offended and taking their revenge.

Voodoo, an exotic synthesis of African, Caribbean and Roman Catholic beliefs, with freemasonry mixed in too, pervades every facet of life in Haiti, so its role in the downfall of Mr Aristide is, for most, beyond dispute.

Just as its flags, murals, shrines, rum, rattles and images of madonnas and saints lurk, invisible from the outside, in slum temples, the religion underlies each momentous event in the nation’s history.

The rise and fall of Mr Aristide, its first democratically elected leader and an ordained Catholic priest who adopted as his symbol the cockerel, a voodoo icon, illustrates this. Mr Aristide, whose library contained many books on the national religion, was guilty of the voodoo equivalent of hubris and then struck down by its version of nemesis, several voodo priests said this week.

Comparing himself to the heroes who won Haiti’s slaves freedom from the French two centuries ago was a fatal mistake, they said, one that the heroes, by now spirits themselves, punished.

He has yet to learn his lesson. Even from his African exile he was still quoting Jean-Jacques Dessalines, a giant of the struggle for liberty, complaining, that his enemies “had chopped down the tree of peace”.

Desperate to cling on to power, he also dabbled in what voodoo priests and priestesses called sorcery and the black arts, very different from the benign voodoo they claim to practise.

The priests and priestesses were still reluctant to mention the president by name, but their disapproval shone through their careful choice of words. “There are some sacrifices that when you make them you pay for them very fast,” said one of Haiti’s best known priestesses, Gladys Maitre.

Another, a designer of beautiful, sequined voodoo flags, suggested that the normal contract between man and spirits had, in Mr Aristide’s case, been broken.

“Some of the spirits are like politicians,” said Silva Joseph. “They want something from you but they don’t ask for it. And they perform a service for you to keep you in their power.” Perhaps it was finally over for Mr Aristide, not when the Americans persuaded him to step down and flee the country last weekend, but a few days earlier, when Sister Ann, his voodoo priestess, left.

Whatever the immediate cause of Mr Aristide’s departure, it provoked a hair-raising outburst of violence and bloodletting on the streets. Here too, voodoo was everywhere.

With the capital in the grip of armed gangs of looters, my guide through the mayhem, a former New York banker who is also a voodoo priest, wrapped a red scarf around our rear-view mirror.

An evil spirit had crossed our path and we were at even more risk than the time when a thug had pointed a pump-action shotgun at the car, Jean-Daniel Lafontant told me later. Mercifully, the scarf’s magic seemed to work.

“Don’t go down there,” a voodoo sister, whispered at us the next day as we debated whether to venture into one of the most dangerous slums. We took her advice.


7 posted on 01/16/2010 3:36:09 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sure they mentioned corruption in there somewhere, didn’t they?


8 posted on 01/16/2010 3:37:14 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Corrupt black leaders fleecing the country.

Hey, waitaminnit......!


9 posted on 01/16/2010 3:37:31 PM PST by SpinyNorman (Carbon credits are designed to be the slush fund of the New World Order.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Always be suspicious of a writer who uses the word “diaspora” to describe anything other than the original diaspora.


10 posted on 01/16/2010 3:39:57 PM PST by Aldebert
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To: freedumb2003
Every island colony that gained “independence” from the Europeans has turned into some sort of hellhole.

Is there any correlation between those populated by white people and those populated by black people?

11 posted on 01/16/2010 3:40:13 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: ProudFossil

Look at colonies in Africa. Generally the worst were French and Belgian. British were probably the best followed by the Germans. The Portuguese ones I think sucked too. Rhodesia was pretty damn good (British) until Mugabe destroyed it.

I can see this thread a decade from now “Why is Florida so poor?” Because Obama moved Haiti there. I am sure many bleeding hearts here will say I am heartless or a racist.

Some idiot on another thread was telling me how the Saudis are our staunch ally. Has FR been invaded by Huff Po & DU idiots or did the collective IQ for some drop recently?


12 posted on 01/16/2010 3:42:58 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: SeekAndFind
>>Papa Doc confiscated land held by peasants to give to members of the Tonton Macoutes. He further consolidated his power over the poor black majority by reviving Haiti's voodoo traditions - setting himself up as a voodoo priest.<<

I wonder if this was the source of Pat Robertson's statement that Haiti sold her soul to the devil??

13 posted on 01/16/2010 3:43:24 PM PST by Humidston
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s been Port-Au-Potty for as long as I’ve been alive.


14 posted on 01/16/2010 3:44:31 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: Doe Eyes
Is there any correlation between those populated by white people and those populated by black people?

Well, let's put it this way -- name one white island hellhole...

15 posted on 01/16/2010 3:46:02 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
Every island colony that gained “independence” from the Europeans has turned into some sort of hellhole.

Hong Kong hasn't done to poorly.....

16 posted on 01/16/2010 3:46:13 PM PST by northwinds
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To: SeekAndFind

CORRUPTION and intentionally denting proper education to proletariat. Papa Doc, Baby Doc and Aristide wouldn’t have it any other way.

Glad to see their palatial palace collapsed as well. It shows that even they were not immune to shoddy construction tactics by the corrupt builders and suppliers.


17 posted on 01/16/2010 3:46:50 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: Humidston
I wonder if this was the source of Pat Robertson's statement that Haiti sold her soul to the devil??

Actually Robertson was referring to a historical event about Haiti's independence from France on August 14, 1791 made by a group of voodoo priests led by a former slave named Boukman. The pact was made at a place called Bois-Caiman, and the tree under which a black pig was sacrificed in this ceremony is still a shrine in Haiti. Annual voodoo ceremonies are conducted every August 14 on this very site, essentially renewing the covenant with darkness each summer. An iron statue of a pig stands today in Port-au-Prince to commemorate the Boukman contract with the devil.

During the ceremony in 1791, a priestess was possessed by a spirit called Ezili Dantor and it was this spirit who received the offering of the black pig.

Hundreds of slaves drank the pig's blood and pledged to exterminate all the white Frenchmen on the island, while Boukman asked for Satan's help in liberating Haiti from their French overlords. In exchange, the voodoo priests offered to dedicate Haiti to Satan for 200 years. The slave rebellion drove the French from Hispaniola and Haiti declared its independence on January 1, 1804.

On national TV, Haiti's ambassador to the U.S. openly admitted, while criticizing Robertson, that Haiti did in fact enter in to this pact with the devil. In fact, he adds that America should be grateful for this pact, since the slave revolt that followed the creation of this pact prompted Napoleon to sell the Louisiana Purchase to the United States.
18 posted on 01/16/2010 3:47:34 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Frantzie
I am sure many bleeding hearts here will say I am heartless or a racist.

_____________________________________

If the shoe fits....

19 posted on 01/16/2010 3:51:09 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think they defeated the French as much as the French soldiers simply died of disease.

Anyway it is all Whitey’s fault. Always is.


20 posted on 01/16/2010 3:51:29 PM PST by yarddog
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To: OrangeHoof

Prior to this slave revolt, under French colonial rule, Haiti was known as the “Pearl of the Antilles” for its singular beauty and the richness of its resources. It engaged in robust trade in cocoa, cotton, sugar cane and coffee and by 1780 was one of the richest regions in the world.

Tragically, however, the plantation system that made this wealth possible was built on the backs of slaves imported from West Africa who brought with them their occult practices of spirituality.

The 200 years, of course, expired on January 1, 2004, but on April 8, 2003 dictator and president Jean-Bertrand Aristide extended the pact by declaring voodoo to be an officially recognized religion in Haiti. Haiti is officially Roman Catholic, but as the BBC says, it is a common saying among Haitians that Haiti is 70% Catholic, 30% Protestant, and 100% VOODOO !!


21 posted on 01/16/2010 3:52:34 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Utter un-supported by the facts bullcrap. Your entire post.


22 posted on 01/16/2010 3:52:54 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

OK, give us YOUR facts then to educate us. I’m waiting...


23 posted on 01/16/2010 3:53:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for that information. Now it makes perfect sense!


24 posted on 01/16/2010 3:55:10 PM PST by Humidston
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To: SeekAndFind

“My hut be gotten knock down, mon!
You needin’ to build me a house, mon!
My hut was generations old an’ part of da history mon.”


25 posted on 01/16/2010 3:55:38 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: freedumb2003
“Every island colony that gained “independence” from the Europeans has turned into some sort of hellhole.”

I agree with you if are excluding Great Britain from Europe. Hong Kong has turned out pretty good (China is on it's way to screwing it up though). And, if we should consider Australia as an island as well as a continent then it's turned out pretty good too.

27 posted on 01/16/2010 3:58:33 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: Doe Eyes
Every island colony that gained “independence” from the Europeans has turned into some sort of hellhole. Is there any correlation between those populated by white people and those populated by black people?

The statement is false. St. Lucia is a wonderful island. Barbados is wonderful. I have never been to Turks but I hear they are lovely. So many of them did turn out just fine. Those which did not were the ones which gained independence early on and killed off all the whites, leaving uneducated slaves to try to build a nation.

28 posted on 01/16/2010 4:01:04 PM PST by ProudFossil
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To: SpinyNorman

Corrupt black leaders fleecing the country.

You have to know nobama’s boat load of “czars” and colored buddies have lined up along with klintoon to get “their share” off the top.


29 posted on 01/16/2010 4:01:36 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just wondering if there is any country on earth run by blacks that is not a 3rd world cesspool?

Anyone?


30 posted on 01/16/2010 4:02:20 PM PST by fuzzybutt
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To: SeekAndFind
It ain't PC but sorry -- there were some very innocent humans in Haiti who have experienced on-going tragedy and now the horrible earthquake.

See article

Will the recovery take the trouble to eliminate child slavery in Haiti?

31 posted on 01/16/2010 4:04:38 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He or she appears to be a Huff Po or DU troll here. Ignore them. I love these people who have no clue about anything who chime in with nothing to add and then insult.


32 posted on 01/16/2010 4:07:48 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Frantzie

We should move all Haitians to Saudi Arabia. :-)


33 posted on 01/16/2010 4:08:21 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (I support Checkbook Conservatives!)
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To: Humidston

I believe all whites in the country were killed


34 posted on 01/16/2010 4:09:07 PM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives -)
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To: fuzzybutt

Countries should not be run by “blacks”, or “whites”, or “asians” or any other “group”. They should be run by people who don’t judge everything on skin color.


35 posted on 01/16/2010 4:10:18 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (I support Checkbook Conservatives!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Voodooists are not allowed to hold a funeral in a Catholic church.

The horror of it all!

I' m pretty sure they wouldn't be allowed to hold a funeral in my Baptist Church either.

36 posted on 01/16/2010 4:11:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Get lost, Mitt. You're the Eddie Haskell of the Republican party." (Finny))
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To: SeekAndFind

*crickets* ;-)


37 posted on 01/16/2010 4:11:07 PM PST by Humidston
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To: ProudFossil
The statement is false.

I don't wish to put down immigrants from Africa, My hope is that all nations live in the relative peace of other countries, such as St. Lucia. Good luck to you.

38 posted on 01/16/2010 4:12:53 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: fuzzybutt

I once had some hope for Ghana. I had a friend whose Father was a ranking official in that country. He was a fine person and loved America and the free enterprise system. Also a good Christian.

Unfortunately it has become clear that he was not the typical citizen of that country. Still it helped to know that his kind existed there.


39 posted on 01/16/2010 4:14:23 PM PST by yarddog
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To: fuzzybutt
Just wondering if there is any country on earth run by blacks that is not a 3rd world cesspool?

Anyone?


I just returned from a cruise to the Carribean islands. Barbados, St. Maarten, and yes, even Grenada today are doing quite well.
40 posted on 01/16/2010 4:15:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: fuzzybutt

Botswana has made some improvements. It’s not super-developed, of course, and there is a high AIDS rate but overall the country is growing but it does not suffer from the same problems that face other African countries.

I think it’s wrong to attribute to race what you can attribute to improperly developed cultures and, ironically, the far more disastrous (than colonialism) influence of Western statist ideologies, which when combined with tribalism or lack of technological development are an utter disaster for the people who adopt them.


41 posted on 01/16/2010 4:19:07 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Brilliant

There is also extreme mismanagement of their natural resources. The Haitians cut down and burn for fuel anything that grows, and as a result the source of the island’s wealth... its soil, has long washed into the sea.


42 posted on 01/16/2010 4:19:30 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SeekAndFind

My aunt had a governess (I guess that’s what you would call her, because she didn’t do any housework that I could see) for her children in the early 60’s. I met her in 1960 at my aunt’s vacation home. Her name was Mrs. Vincent, and she was apparently the daughter-in-law of a man named Vincent who was President of Haiti at one time. Her family had to flee Haiti afer he stepped down and she settled in America. My aunt said she showed her pictures of her family wearing beautiful clothes and jewels. Unfortunately, she was into voodoo and that was one of the reasons my aunt had to let her go.


43 posted on 01/16/2010 4:27:35 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: Skywalk

Guess we only hear about the bad ones.

Color should not be a basis for an opinion on anything. Sadly much of the time it is.


44 posted on 01/16/2010 4:31:23 PM PST by fuzzybutt
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To: SeekAndFind

Major export is tourism?


45 posted on 01/16/2010 4:32:54 PM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: Frantzie
I also worry that for many reasons Obama is going to open our borders and take in hundreds of thousands of Haitian refugees who have no education and speak only Creole and have lived violent lives in a very violent culture. Add these to the welfare rolls, unemployment rolls and school systems and you end up with one more huge burden for American tax payers.
46 posted on 01/16/2010 4:46:41 PM PST by when the time is right
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To: SeekAndFind

Richest in the French New World? Well, since “Lower Canada” (Quebec and Les Maritimes) and Louisiana had gone to the British and Americans, were there any other French colonies in the New World?


47 posted on 01/16/2010 4:51:54 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: ProudFossil

Amen. Also take a look at Algeria and Morocco - perhaps 1 step above Haiti. They have huge rates of unemployment, illiteracy (although very intelligent people), hunger, lean-tos, and a previous French occupation.


48 posted on 01/16/2010 4:52:03 PM PST by Nodems2000 (Beheadngs are better says atlanta holy man)
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To: SpinyNorman

Amen AGAIN! Obama cultivated his style in his early youth as he watched dictators control their subjects. I always wanted to be a nurse as a little girl; maybe Obama always wanted to be a dictator as a little boy.


49 posted on 01/16/2010 4:55:30 PM PST by Nodems2000 (Beheadngs are better says atlanta holy man)
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To: SpaceBar

Yes, but when you have 10 million people in such a small area, it’s to be expected.


50 posted on 01/16/2010 5:32:18 PM PST by Brilliant
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