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Obama confidant's spine-chilling proposal - Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively.."
Salon ^ | Jan. 15, 2010 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 01/17/2010 1:52:32 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
No, sorry. Greenwald is scum. There is nothing honest about him. Look up sock puppet and his picture is there. This guy twists more facts and statements than Team 0 even wishes he could. In short... Typical. Lying. Liberal. Scum.

-- Just my not so humble opinion.

201 posted on 01/18/2010 9:42:17 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

“Most of us believe socialism is what the socialists want us to believe it is - a share-the-wealth program.”

Actually it’s more like a ‘share the poverty’ program.

All pigs will be ‘equal’ — equally poor, that is!

Of course some pigs — a few choice ones — will be a MORE equal!

But the above stage won’t be achieved until the leaders of the ‘party’ no longer find the ‘useful idiots’ — useful!

At that point they will be ‘eliminated’ ushering in the final stage of ‘stabilization’ or ‘normalization.’

See the full series:

Yuri Bezmenov ex KGB Psycological Warfare Techniques. Subversion & Control of Western Society 1/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN0By0xbst8&feature=PlayList&p=52E369C842A46818&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&in

STE=Q


202 posted on 01/18/2010 9:57:46 AM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: DGHoodini; Carry_Okie
>>He belongs in a mental hospital under heavy sedation.
"Our Institute was used by all classes of the population and members of every political party...We thus had a great many Nazis under treatment at the Institute.  Why was it then, since we were completely non-party, that our purely scientific Institute was the first victim which fell to the new regime?  The answer to this is simple...We knew too much.  It would be against medical principles to provide a list of the Nazi leaders and their perversions [but]...not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal..."
http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
Nothing to see there.   Move along.

203 posted on 01/18/2010 10:15:24 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: GeronL
Has anyone ever seen a government so chock-full of cazy people?

Just your typical,run-of-the-mill collection of pervs,commies,terrorists,and tax-cheats.You know....."DEMOCRATS"!

204 posted on 01/18/2010 10:16:09 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Cincinna
Isn’t Sunstein the one who wants to give animals the right to get lawyers and sue in US Courts?

That's what I recall.

205 posted on 01/18/2010 10:27:21 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: All

A friend of mine, a retired Marine SgtMaj, was hit 4 times by spyware when he logged on to Oath Keepers. Be warned


206 posted on 01/18/2010 10:34:23 AM PST by gunner03
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To: magellan
Thanks for the link. I did write: "but he appears to be an honest moonbat."
207 posted on 01/18/2010 10:44:11 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: PIF
Ummmmmmmmm.....no, they are not communists. They don't fit the definition. You can call them that and I don't give a damn. But factually, they are socialists with a Hitler like fascist flavor .

These idiots call themselves progressives. It's just a new name on a old tired philosophy. What makes them appear new is that they use economics as a tool and this is new in the U.S. but not new in Europe. Communists don't need economics. They resent the concept of it and control everything including personal property.

These new progressives see the economy and industry as a funding mechanism for their social work. They see personal property as a reward and class identifier..

I am not trying to be flip here, just trying to inform you. Calling them Commies will weaken your position because it is easy for them to prove they are not.

BTW, I get your point regarding the efforts to rid ourselves of them, but your method can only be used post revolution and that is another topic.

Changing the heart and mind of a indoctrinated socialist takes time and happens in stages. The first stage is often a jump to a libertine philosophy. I see a lot of that lately. The anger and the fear of losing ones freedom is a powerful message. But it takes time and it is not always permanent.

If I read you right, you are not advocating anything that takes time and you would prefer to line them up and shoot them. The Russians tried that with their red and white armies during their revolution. They never really recovered from the damages done to their society and are still today doing the same thing. They are still shooting political enemies. Eventually you would think that the final solution would work, but it never does.

The best thing for us to do is get back to the Republic we created, and jettison all the changes that have been made since WWII, including numerous constitutional amendments. I would prefer to see Senators appointed as they were in the beginning, for example.

I could yak about this for days. The fact is, calling these people commies is not going to hurt their feeling, nor is it going to help your case.

208 posted on 01/18/2010 10:47:10 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

“The best thing for us to do is get back to the Republic we created, and jettison all the changes that have been made since WWII, including numerous constitutional amendments. I would prefer to see Senators appointed as they were in the beginning, for example.”

Agreed! :)

“The fact is, calling these people commies is not going to hurt their feeling, nor is it going to help your case.”

Disagree, as their methods to date fit the classic textbook definition. Not trying for cause - just saying. :(

“Communists don’t need economics. They resent the concept of it and control everything including personal property.”

Which is what Hussein is trying to achieve with the intentional distruction of the US economy. Control of private property, cf the engangered species act. This is a long time coming.


209 posted on 01/18/2010 11:11:53 AM PST by PIF
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To: Cold Heat

“Next time you try to screw with me you might remember that I don’t take crap without a return volley.”

I actually, literally laughed at that.

Are you completely unaware that you made yourself look like a (fool/petulant child/agent provocateur), or some combination thereof?

Have you no idea how such behavior is regarded here?

By the way, if that was a “volley,” I would suggest that you consider checking for damage before commencing the chest thumping. You didn’t even cause the needle on the old Flamage Detector(TM) to tremble.

Maybe you can pick up some hints here:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/

For you, I would think Palooka, or perhaps Enfant Provocateur or Impostor.

Bye now.


210 posted on 01/18/2010 12:15:34 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: PIF

What’s that graphic you posted in #191? Looks interesting.


211 posted on 01/18/2010 12:23:25 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups... Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs." In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites -- as well as other activist groups -- which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists... Sunstein advocates that the Government's stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups." He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called "independent" credible voices to bolster the Government's messaging (on the ground that those who don't believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government).
Thanks neverdem.
212 posted on 01/18/2010 12:39:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Allegra; neverdem

Heh... yeah, they’re everywhere. :’) Also some post-2000-election sleepers seem to have been activated. ;’)


213 posted on 01/18/2010 12:45:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: dsc
Graphic is of the normal Chinese procedure for mass execution. A common occurrence there as you know. I got it some dozen of year ago when there was an actual interest here in the US about just how the Chinese run their country. Got my site banned in China - not bad for a half hour of work, eh?
214 posted on 01/18/2010 1:15:33 PM PST by PIF
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To: PIF

“not bad for a half hour of work, eh?”

Not bad, indeed.

Are the pictures the signed work of an artist? Are they copyrighted?

I’ll bet there would be a lot of interest in seeing high-resolution files of those images.


215 posted on 01/18/2010 1:23:35 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Don’t know who smuggled that photo out - but it is no fake if that’s what you are getting at. There are far worse things going on within China’s prison system - like vivasection for organs...


216 posted on 01/18/2010 2:08:29 PM PST by PIF
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To: PIF

“Don’t know who smuggled that photo out - but it is no fake if that’s what you are getting at.”

No, I wasn’t insinuating anything of the sort. I’m just interested.

Like so many people today, I seem to have become something of an amateur collector of graphic images. Photos of that sort are just the sort of thing I put in my “atrocities” file.


217 posted on 01/18/2010 2:40:22 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

“one scientist thought it could be possible it may never blow like it has in the past again.”

Feel free and please share...


218 posted on 01/18/2010 3:53:28 PM PST by PIF
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To: PIF

I’m glad to share.

Do you have a high-res version of that image?


219 posted on 01/18/2010 4:05:07 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: neverdem

bmfl


220 posted on 01/18/2010 4:12:02 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: dsc
Are you completely unaware that you made yourself look like a (fool/petulant child/agent provocateur), or some combination thereof? Have you no idea how such behavior is regarded here

Pot.....kettle........

If your homepage did not claim you hailed from Idaho, I'd assume you to be a East coast snob. I've never met a snob in Idaho, but there is time.

221 posted on 01/18/2010 4:35:50 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat; PIF

Savage: Obama “is a neo-marxist fascist dictator in the making”

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200903060012

Soviet style socialist — with a fascist flare — works for me.

In any case — whatever we prefer to call them — we can ALL agree that the Obama junta: is inimical to our republican form of government.

STE=Q


222 posted on 01/18/2010 5:47:41 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: neverdem
Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups...

Such groups need to decentralize into much smaller units or individuals. Hard to infiltrate an Army of One.

223 posted on 01/18/2010 6:04:33 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: rogue yam
Infiltrators will be easy to spot. I once asked an aging activist about his time in the local chapter of SDS from the 1960s and he said the Fed was the guy who was always encouraging everybody to throw bombs... and so it goes.
224 posted on 01/18/2010 6:06:55 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

Yup!


225 posted on 01/18/2010 7:05:33 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Gondring

“Lewis Cass (after whom this creep was named) was a general, explorer, governor (Michigan Territory), Senator (Michigan), etc. (I’m sure I’m leaving out lots.)”

I thought it was short for Casimir or Cassius....


226 posted on 01/18/2010 8:25:02 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: neverdem; LucyT; Las Vegas Ron; Candor7; manc; little jeremiah; onyx; STARWISE; maggief; ...

BUMP for 2012 campaign and new onslaught of trolls soon to arrive. Worth a read to refresh and be prepared.


227 posted on 12/28/2010 6:58:26 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: mojitojoe

And to refresh alertness to ones who’ve been around since the election and inauguration. There are some really trying to blend in, volunteer for stuff, etc.


228 posted on 12/28/2010 8:33:41 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: mojitojoe; Jim Robinson; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; wintertime; Fred Nerks; ...
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proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites ... This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials ..."

INCREASE CITIZENS' FAITH IN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS?

. . . . Falling out of the chair laughing.

229 posted on 12/28/2010 11:11:11 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Candor7

looks like his mind is as grotty as his office...

230 posted on 12/28/2010 11:35:02 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: LucyT

231 posted on 12/28/2010 11:38:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: LucyT

” . . . Falling out of the chair laughing.”

This is just the type of reaction that is not helpful during the present difficulties. Personally, I think that, while I did not vote for President Obama, he and his advisors are doing okay.

These are difficult times, but President Obama has succeeded in bringing forth new legislation that will bring healthcare to everyone, extended jobless benefits, given our banks and companies a helping hand to keep them productive, and ....

Oh forget it. I was thinking maybe Cass could give me a job, but I just can’t do it.


232 posted on 12/28/2010 11:45:52 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: LucyT

INCREASE CITIZENS’ FAITH IN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS?

It’s scary that a person with an IQ over 60 and third grade education would even think this way. Liberalism is a serious mental disorder. These folks are nutso. If they want to increase faith in government officials, fire everyone of them who lies to the public or their employees, starting with Obie.


233 posted on 12/28/2010 11:53:26 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: rolling_stone
It’s scary that a person with an IQ over 60 and third grade education would even think this way. Liberalism is a serious mental disorder. These folks are nutso.

The example of Cass Sunstein is why this administration won't try to move to the middle, won't soften their stance.

They've been waiting for this moment for over forty years. At long last, they have the power to achieve their most most lurid liberal fantasies. They won't back off.

234 posted on 12/29/2010 12:09:43 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: rolling_stone
It’s scary that a person with an IQ over 60 and third grade education would even think this way. Liberalism is a serious mental disorder. These folks are nutso.

The example of Cass Sunstein is why this administration won't try to move to the middle, won't soften their stance.

They've been waiting for this moment for over forty years. At long last, they have the power to achieve their most most lurid liberal fantasies. They won't back off.

235 posted on 12/29/2010 12:09:49 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: neverdem

PFL


236 posted on 12/29/2010 1:17:08 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: LucyT; Nachum

“This program would target those advocating false “conspiracy theories,...”

IOW those that figure it out, those that “get it”.


237 posted on 12/29/2010 4:09:38 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 21twelve; Jim Robinson

Seriously? Obama and his advisors are doing ok? What are you smoking? Czars are unconstitutional , obamacare is unconstitutional, they lied about the gulf oil spill so they could ban drilling and send our jobs elsewhere, they are weakening our military defenses and our guys can’t fire on the enemy unless they are fired at first, they want to give terrorists the same concstitutional protections that law abiding citizens are afforded, they won’t secure our border and don’t want Arizona to either, they are doing their best to put the USA into bankruptcy, they are planning to take over our retirement accounts, they won’t prosecute new black panther party members for clearly illegal actions at a polling place, law abiding citizens are being felt up before they can get on a plane , they Are going to decide who gets life sustaining medical treatment and who doesn’t ,etc, etc, etc.

Jobless benefits ? Fact is , a lot of people won’t let go of their ego and take a job at certain places that are “beneath” them. Yeah, that good ole government nanny is spending us into oblivion and a lot of people are learning that mooching off the taxpayers is more lucrative than work.

These and many more do NOT qualify for my approval at all and are very very far from being ok!!! They are shameful and a disgrace !!!


238 posted on 12/29/2010 5:09:15 AM PST by tutstar
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To: MNJohnnie

It’s all newspeak, ratchat, demchat its the wave of the obma future,let it be short and end in 2012. If it doesnt, we are in for a world of ____.


239 posted on 12/29/2010 6:25:25 AM PST by rodguy911 (Sarah Palin,Michelle Bachman, Marco Rubio--The unbeatable Reagan Trio !!)
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To: neverdem

Bump


240 posted on 12/29/2010 7:52:58 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


241 posted on 12/29/2010 8:58:40 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: GeronL
"Has anyone ever seen a government so chock-full of cazy people? These people are literally INSANE."

They can't get real jobs, so they move into government.

242 posted on 12/29/2010 9:04:38 AM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: 21twelve; tutstar

Well, he hasn’t fixed education. Tutstar still can’t read, evidently. :-)


243 posted on 12/29/2010 9:11:56 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Nachum

Good reminder.


244 posted on 12/29/2010 9:12:19 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

You might enjoy this...

http://www.nachumlist.com/sunstein.htm


245 posted on 12/29/2010 9:14:30 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
You might enjoy this...

I might find it interested, but I probably will not enjoy it! :-)

Thanks!

246 posted on 12/29/2010 9:15:28 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

Sounds like the ancient Chinese curse, “may you live in interesting times” :(


247 posted on 12/29/2010 9:19:53 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: GeronL; libertyhoundusnr; flat; freekitty; MamaDearest; Las Vegas Ron; onyx; bitt; 70th Division; ..

Wasn’t Hitler surrounded by insane Gestapo agents who had mental illnesses or had resided in mental institutions???


248 posted on 12/29/2010 9:26:48 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: neverdem

He is the perfect model of an Ayn Rand-type bad guy.


249 posted on 12/29/2010 9:48:59 AM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

OH, sort of like Bammi?


250 posted on 12/29/2010 9:54:25 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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