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stltoday.com ^ | 12 January, 2010 | Judy larsen

Posted on 01/18/2010 7:12:08 AM PST by marktwain

I don't like guns. I've never handled a gun. I was not raised in a family that hunted. I disagree with the bumper stickers that say, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." My response has always been, people with guns kill people.

I'd never been touched by gun violence until almost two years ago when gunfire rang out in my town's city hall.

And then last Thursday, shots rang out again on a cold snowy day at the ABB Inc. offices in north St. Louis when all we should have been worrying about were icy roads. Before the gunman killed himself, he left three innocent people dead and five more injured.

We hear all the time about suicide bombers in the Middle East. And we shake our heads and think, how can people live like that? But how different is our society?

We don't have suicide bombers; we have suicide gunmen — in our marketplaces (recently, Omaha and Salt Lake City), in our schools (Columbine, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois University, to name just a few) and in our city halls and in too many workplaces to mention. These gunmen are terrorists just as much as the suicide bombers in other lands.

The names of towns where such massacres happen start to run together. Our news people rattle them off, and, as viewers, we gasp, but then we look away and get on with our lives. We shake our heads, but the gun violence occurs on such a regular basis that it's hard to keep track.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: anti; banglist; guncontrol; mo
Lack of logic emoting. Pride of ignorance.
1 posted on 01/18/2010 7:12:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I don't like guns. I've never handled a gun.

I think I see your problem, Judy...................

2 posted on 01/18/2010 7:15:07 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: marktwain

Judy’s father failed her in that he did not teach her to respect firearms or give her firearms safety training while raising her.

By doing that he instilled in her a lifetime fear and angst of inanimate objects.


3 posted on 01/18/2010 7:15:52 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: marktwain

If guns cause crime, then all of mine must be defective.


4 posted on 01/18/2010 7:16:19 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: marktwain

Why isn’t this kind of visceral fear of an inanimate object considered a clinical psychological problem?

My Beretta 92fs is always in one of two locations: on my hip, or in the safe. It has never maliciously harmed an innocent person from either location.

This woman is a fruitloop.


5 posted on 01/18/2010 7:17:04 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: Red Badger

Well, now the world knows for sure that Judy doesn’t have one at home...


6 posted on 01/18/2010 7:17:36 AM PST by glorgau
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To: marktwain

she had no clue about guns and it shows in this article .

Maybe if she educated herself she might learn something also guns do kill not people much like a knife or a sword so her view doesn’t even make sense


7 posted on 01/18/2010 7:18:43 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: marktwain

‘I don’t like guns. I’ve never handled a gun. ‘

At least the opening is honest...an article based on ignorance and prejudice. This is liberalism at its best. The message to the world is we prefer to be ignorant and its OK when we’re biased.


8 posted on 01/18/2010 7:19:07 AM PST by 556x45
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To: marktwain
"My response has always been, people with guns kill people."

Actually Judy, people kill other people in all kinds of inventive ways. Knives, piano wire, baseball bats, cars. Should we outlaw everything able to kill people? It's going to be a long list and we'll eventually get around to something you like I'm sure...
9 posted on 01/18/2010 7:20:01 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: marktwain

Again, basic ignorance gets in the way of a logical argument. The desire to kill is why people die, Judy. If a gun wasn’t available, then the criminal would use a club. Or a knife. Or a brick. Or a broken bottle. Or a hammer. A criminal can do a great amount of damage with any of those weapons, Judy.

Wake up, stop drinking the liberal kool-aid and try looking at FACTS when you make an argument, not your emotions.


10 posted on 01/18/2010 7:21:09 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Bush at his worst was still better than Obama at his best.)
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To: Army Air Corps

If guns cause crime, then pencils misspell words.


11 posted on 01/18/2010 7:21:26 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: marktwain
St. Louis has enough of the bleeding heart liberals, especially the Kirkwood area.

Let me tell you a story, when the CCW law came up for a vote, I was undecided until I read the the front page of the Post-Dispatch (liberal ragsheet it is). They spent most of that page plus several inside pages to the knee-jerk, chicken little argument of "What if?". They also ran a smaller story from the pro-CCW side. The difference? The anti's arguments were nothing but emotional blathering and doomsday spin. The pro-CCW arguments were concise, factual and backed up by numerous statistics. Needless to say, I voted for it and have been a strong proponent of the 2nd ever since.

People who are against guns are no different than those who were against the CCW. Their response will always be emotional and chicken little-ish and should be dismissed for what it is.

12 posted on 01/18/2010 7:24:24 AM PST by misharu (Voting Barbarian Tea Horde since 2010!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

To be scrupulously fair to Judy, guns make it much easier to kill people. Which is kind of the point.

If Judy were attacked by a 6-4 300 pound escaped convict, she would have zero chance of defending herself unarmed.

If she has a gun and sufficient time to use it, she has an excellent chance.

The fewer weapons in a society the greater the advantage of physical strength and size. Which sort of leaves women in the lurch. Very odd that more women, particularly feminists, don’t realize this.


13 posted on 01/18/2010 7:25:18 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Never confuse schooling with education.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
If a gun wasn’t available, then the criminal would use a club. Or a knife. Or a brick. Or a broken bottle. Or a hammer. A criminal can do a great amount of damage with any of those weapons, Judy.

Let's not forget cars, which I'd guess are the #1 means of unintentionally killing another human.

Using Judy's "logic" - that intent should be ignored in favor of method - I guess we should ban all cars too.
14 posted on 01/18/2010 7:25:22 AM PST by chrisser (Tweet not, lest ye a twit be.)
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To: glorgau

We should send her one of these:

http://www.eoffshore.com/gun-free-home-kit


15 posted on 01/18/2010 7:25:29 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: marktwain
I don't like editorials. I've never wrote an editorial....

Cuts both ways dumbo!

16 posted on 01/18/2010 7:29:16 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Step 1 - Identify Obama/Dem/RINO supporters. Step 2 - Punish them economically.)
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To: marktwain

Judy seems to be running her life on emotion. That’s more destructive than any gun.


17 posted on 01/18/2010 7:29:19 AM PST by The Duke
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To: marktwain
I'm not naïve enough to think banning handguns would be easy or would stop all gun violence. But we have to start somewhere.

So lets start by taking guns away from law abiding citizens so that Judy can become less frightened. I wonder how frightened she is going to be when only the criminals haven't complied with the ban?

Judy, you are beyond naive, you have a serious mental disorder.

18 posted on 01/18/2010 7:34:20 AM PST by centurion316
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To: marktwain

“My response has always been, people with guns kill people.”

People with cars kill people, with sticks, stones, pillows, poisons,arrows,hair sprays, electric cords and appliances. If someone wants you dead, there are countless ways to do it.

It might be said that guns are the most efficient way to kill, and that is one of their design functions, but by their own self. Not a chance.


19 posted on 01/18/2010 7:34:52 AM PST by billhilly
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To: marktwain

Getting SHOT should be the LEAST of anyones worries when it comes to dying:

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

NOTE: Firearms Statistics Include Gang Warfare, Self Defense Shootings and Criminals Killed by Police


20 posted on 01/18/2010 7:37:29 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: marktwain

21 posted on 01/18/2010 7:41:59 AM PST by listenhillary (FU Cass Sunstein - You are the embodiment of evil)
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To: The Duke

A profound statement my friend. Most liberals run on emotion.(Hope and Change) Critical thinking is something they can not grasp. If I hear “I tend to follow my heart” one mor time I will puke. It only takes one good rape to turn a liberal into a conservative. But that is a way hard lesson.


22 posted on 01/18/2010 7:45:59 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: marktwain
I'm a person with a gun and I don't kill people.
But, I would not hesitate to defend my family if I had the right to or not.
23 posted on 01/18/2010 7:47:48 AM PST by GranTorino
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To: marktwain

I can only think of one word to describe this particular reporter....stupidfrigginjackass......


24 posted on 01/18/2010 7:49:06 AM PST by joe fonebone (A third party does need the majority to control the house...they only need 10%)
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To: marktwain

Don’t be distracted. SUVs kill people.


25 posted on 01/18/2010 7:52:16 AM PST by laotzu
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To: marktwain

Yet another robbery/rape/tortue victim wanna-be, out to facilitate, her inevitable victimization.

.....idiot.


26 posted on 01/18/2010 7:53:50 AM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: marktwain

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” -Sigmund Freud


27 posted on 01/18/2010 7:54:29 AM PST by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: Army Air Corps
If guns cause crime, then all of mine must be defective.

Simple minds like Judy will never understand. By the way, most of the regular networks had tons violent type of shows and a huge variety of weapons like chain saws, knives, machetes, etc, etc. etc. Hell lets just ban the world. Saw one the other day and a rock was the weapon of choice. Made me sick to know that now we have to ban rocks!

28 posted on 01/18/2010 8:00:30 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: marktwain

And of course Judy’s lunacy should provide AMPLE cause to overthrow the people’s right to keep and bear arms! After all, we MUST bow to Judy’s will, or we just won’t be “good people!”


29 posted on 01/18/2010 8:02:39 AM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: marktwain
A gun is a tool. You can kill someone with your toothbrush. Should we ban them, too? I once had to deal with a man that cut his mother's head off with a kitchen knife. Ever cut up a chicken? As hard as it is to cut up chicken, imagine the strength it takes to cut off a human head! Should we no longer use knives because one was not used in the manner intended? How about a baseball bat or a kitchen broom? Almost anything in your house can be used as a weapon. How about your metal vacuum cleaner tube? A loaded gun in your home could save your life someday if someone intends to do you harm. You say you have no experience with guns. Go learn how to properly handle and shoot a gun. It's just a tool. And fyi, probably every settler that traveled west of the Mississippi - or the Ohio - had a gun. They used it to kill rabbits or squirrels so they could eat. They used it to protect themselves from predators, both human and animal. I can't think of a better tool, or a more American tool, than a gun. Mark Twain was a sensible man living on the western bank of the Mississippi. I'll bet he knew how to use a gun.
30 posted on 01/18/2010 8:10:43 AM PST by CaraMiaR (Excuse me, I have to adjust my aluminium hat.)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

...then forks make people fat and gas peddles make people speed.


31 posted on 01/18/2010 8:25:37 AM PST by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: marktwain

Dear Judy,

Obviously, anybody with guns are bad. So the first thing we need to do is disarm the police, since they have guns, making the police bad. After the police are disarmed, then we can disarm the criminals.

Thanks for the ideas.


32 posted on 01/18/2010 9:05:33 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: marktwain
Hey, Judy ...

Would you rather they were pushed out of windows, little girl?

Archie Bunker

33 posted on 01/18/2010 9:35:16 AM PST by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: marktwain

Author is Going along with a proposed city Law that makes it illegal for anyone to possess a unsecured, loaded or unloaded firearm in the presence of children under age 17.

This was proposed in St Louis city Council last Tuesday.

Makes anyone carrying a firearm, even with a CCW License, unlawful in the presence of children.. I don’t know about anyone else. but when I visit St Louis I certainly feel my life is in more danger from criminal elements, than any other place in the state.
I am pretty fond of self preservation which includes legal firearm possession.


34 posted on 01/18/2010 12:41:19 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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