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At least 5,500 Americans are missing and unaccounted for in Haiti -U.S. State Department
MSNBC ^ | 1-19-10

Posted on 01/19/2010 8:37:59 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

Breaking News Alert: At least 5,500 Americans are missing and unaccounted for in Haiti, the U.S. State Department tells NBC News...

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: haiti; haitiquake; missing; obamasfault
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1 posted on 01/19/2010 8:38:00 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

Isn’t that number higher than 9/11?


2 posted on 01/19/2010 8:39:10 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: My Favorite Headache
MSNBC had a group of families crying this am that America is not doing enough to rescue their loved ones.
3 posted on 01/19/2010 8:39:19 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Safrguns

Yes but whats your point?


4 posted on 01/19/2010 8:40:26 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: TornadoAlley3

Obviously Bush’s fault!


5 posted on 01/19/2010 8:41:56 AM PST by catman67
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To: My Favorite Headache
I for some reason this time am not watching TV at all.... From what I can piece together it is a living hell over there right now. I saw a photo on CNN.com a man holding a knife to anothers throat while looting going on all around..... Prayers for that country....
6 posted on 01/19/2010 8:42:21 AM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: Safrguns
...Isn’t that number higher than 9/11?...

Yes but this wasn't a terrorist attack. According to a liberal friend this was caused by global warming. Really.

7 posted on 01/19/2010 8:42:34 AM PST by FReepaholic (This tagline may be an indicator of global warming.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I guess I’m kind of surprised that it’s taken them so long to make this announcement. 5,550 is a huge number.

Why are they not allowing anymore US rescue teams in to Haiti? I’m sure that many families would like to have closure, one way of the other..


8 posted on 01/19/2010 8:42:59 AM PST by Beaten Valve
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To: My Favorite Headache

They willall be voting Democrat in Massachusetts today.


9 posted on 01/19/2010 8:43:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
TornadoAlley3: "MSNBC had a group of families crying this am
that America is not doing enough to rescue their loved ones."

Pres_ _ent Hussein already reaped the PR, so why would TheONE(TM) care?

10 posted on 01/19/2010 8:44:29 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: al baby

>>> Yes but whats your point?

Media attention and lack of criticism of the administration for not doing more to save some of those lives.


11 posted on 01/19/2010 8:45:14 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: My Favorite Headache

why worry about them —the gubmint they be busy never wastin’ a crisis....


12 posted on 01/19/2010 8:45:21 AM PST by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'n Commie Basterd!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I find that number very hard to believe. But if they’re there, they are no doubt CIA spies looking to steal Haitian atomic secrets.


13 posted on 01/19/2010 8:45:36 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

no worries.
..................
their SS checks will still be cashed, for the
next 40 years.
..................
they will still vote in US elections


14 posted on 01/19/2010 8:47:08 AM PST by element92
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To: My Favorite Headache

That’s reason enough for us to be there, but what is being done to find/rescue them? Apparently, not very much from what I’ve seen.


15 posted on 01/19/2010 8:48:18 AM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... www.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
I find that number very hard to believe.

The scope of this tragedy is hard to imagine.

We lost 3000 on 9/11

They lost as many as 200,000 to 500,000 all in one relatively small area.

Reports said that there were 45,000 Americans there. 5500 would be what, one eighth of that number?

Nobody knows for sure but it could be accurate.

16 posted on 01/19/2010 8:49:14 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I have yet to see our press, wandering around in their Banana Republic safari shirts taking photo ops of orphans looters and bodies, cover a single American- Govt directed operation focused on finding, rescuing and evacuating Americans. Instead we have C-130’s flying plane loads of Haitians to Orlando. Anyone seen the US ambassador to Haiti directing SAR, recovery, or NEO for Americans?

Private groups seem to be scratching up their own rescue resources and finding their own people, on their own.

Those trapped Americans, after 7 days under rubble, are almost certainly dead.

obama’s Katrina, Hillary Clinton’s Katrina


17 posted on 01/19/2010 8:50:36 AM PST by silverleaf
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
"I find that number very hard to believe"

Actually, I don't. The article says - as have some others - that there were in excess of 45,000 Americans in Haiti when the quake struck. 5,500 is only 12% of the total American population that was living or visiting Haiti. Given the scope of the destruction, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that 5,500 people out of 45,000 are missing. I'm sure not all of those will be dead. But, I imagine a sizable number will be either dead or seriously injured.

18 posted on 01/19/2010 8:52:08 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: My Favorite Headache

While many of these Americans were visiting family or living where their dollar went farther, as substantial number were “doing God’s work” as missionaries and faith based social workers. Regardless, they and their families need our help. The Marxists will only want to help the “poor” and we should not fall into a similar trap but help those who need help.


19 posted on 01/19/2010 8:52:19 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: smokingfrog

“That’s reason enough for us to be there, but what is being done to find/rescue them? Apparently, not very much from what I’ve seen.”

That’s not fair to say. You are not seeing all that is being done.


20 posted on 01/19/2010 8:52:19 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Determining the number of Americans or dual-citizen nationals in Haiti involves a lot of guesswork — dual citizens do not routinely register with the embassy — but there are clearly thousands whose whereabouts are not know, NBC News reported.

The U.S. Embassy told NBC there were an estimated 45,000 Americans thought to have been in Haiti before the quake. Many of those people are married to Haitians or involved in aid missions and are not looking to leave.

“Information about U.S. citizens who are believed to be trapped in buildings is passed to search-and-rescue teams on the ground in Haiti,” said Michele Bond, deputy assistant secretary for Overseas Citizens Services. “So far, we have opened more than 9,000 cases in the crisis database. Of those, just over 3,500 people have been accounted for. The rest are still people that we are working to ascertain the well-being of. As we receive information about anyone, we do contact family members to pass that information back to let them know what we’ve learned.”


21 posted on 01/19/2010 8:54:02 AM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... www.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Seems realistic to me...I mean an estimated 10,000 bodies have been dumped a day in landfills since this happened...around the clock...truckloads. There were a TON of charity, aid workers, government, UN, church etc..people from the U.S. working there. It always fascinates me when big events like this happen and you find out even in some of the most remote parts of the world (not saying Haiti is remote) but there is always a large group of Americans in there.


22 posted on 01/19/2010 8:54:07 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: smokingfrog

Exactly what I thought.


23 posted on 01/19/2010 8:54:53 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: paulycy

>Reports said that there were 45,000 Americans there.

I’m curious as to what that many Americans are doing there and who is paying them. I understand there are many
charities/missionaries there and how they earn a living, but 45,000?


24 posted on 01/19/2010 8:59:54 AM PST by soycd
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To: ColdOne
"I for some reason this time am not watching TV at all.."

I am not watching ANY televised coverage of the situation in Haiti, but am keeping up with internet news features. I cannot stand when tv/cable news reporters over play their emotions for the sake of drama.

25 posted on 01/19/2010 9:00:58 AM PST by two23 (You're paying for that)
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To: soycd

I have no facts at my fingertips but Americans are the wealthiest people on earth per capita and even if they aren’t millionaires there are millions of Americans that can afford to travel and minister to people. There are also lots and lots of organizations that sponsor such people. And of course a certain percentage are US Govt employees doing whatever bureaucrats do or even nothing but drawing a taxpayer-paid salary. 45,000 out of a total population of 3 million or so doesn’t seem to be extreme.


26 posted on 01/19/2010 9:03:43 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: smokingfrog

If you have a facebook account, there is a discussion board. I’ll direct you if you’re interested. One guy seems to be full of information....some facinating stuff. For instance:

written on 16 January:

“Two million people, at least roaming the streets. At most 5000 UN peace keepers, and maybe 10,000 American troops. At best. To cover a had a population of 3.5 million. Even during a non crisis, a group this size would be hard pressed to keep the peace.”

Also 16 Jan:

“I have a shortwave radio tuned to ham bands, scanning what I can but most ham radios used in Haiti are 2 meter which has a limited range. Sometimes it can be picked up at great distances but that requires special atmospheric conditions.

I also have access to databases other than internet type search engines. Various news wires, etc.

I keep the television on with the sound off, but the closed captioning on. Because theres nothing constant on the ham bands, but you simply keep scanning until a strong enough signal is picked up, I also have internet radios which play internet streams. I am switching between the BBC, Deutsche Welle and Radio Netherland Worldwide for news reports. They all broadcast in English 24/7. Then Radio France International starts broadcasting at 4:00 GMT for a half hour in English every hour until about 12:00 GMT when hour long broadcasts come on.

Then I have my notebook computer turned on and on a lap desk.”


27 posted on 01/19/2010 9:04:47 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: silverleaf

>>I have yet to see our press, wandering around in their >>Banana Republic safari shirts taking photo ops of orphans >>looters and bodies, cover a single American- Govt >>directed operation focused on finding, rescuing and >>evacuating Americans

I for one am glad they aren’t covering this. If they were there would be constant cries of “The Americans are only taking care of their own and leaving the poor Haitians to die”.

I feel bad for the Americans stuck in this but frankly this is the chance you take when you go to a 3rd world country.
If disaster happens you are completely screwed.

LQ


28 posted on 01/19/2010 9:05:51 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: paulycy

My thought as well. It will not be a shock if the death toll in Haiti reaches or exceeds 750,000.


29 posted on 01/19/2010 9:09:16 AM PST by the anti-mahdi
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To: the anti-mahdi

nobama’s (the dithering feckless one)katrina.


30 posted on 01/19/2010 9:12:13 AM PST by hal ogen
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To: My Favorite Headache

5500, passport holders....


31 posted on 01/19/2010 9:14:55 AM PST by thinking
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To: Safrguns; All

I got this off a facebook discussion board...regarding the USA response....

Dave Marks (FSU) wrote on January 16, 2010 at 10:07am
For all you critics of the response, let me break it down for you

1) 1500+ US troops are ON THE GROUND. This is MORE soldiers deployed in LESS time than the last COMBAT JUMP into northern Iraq in 2003.

2) The airport was secured, cleared, and functioning within the evening of the FIRST US military presence there. The logjam was so bad before the US got there that the airport was nearly inoperable. The US fueled, cleared, and took off a ton of planes to get things going.

3) The first USAR teams Virginia task force 1 and California Task force were on the ground in 48 hours, and had rescued many people within the first 12-18 hours. Every major DMAT team in the US is on standby, and can or will be deployed in 48 hours notice.

4) 24 military helicopters are active 24/7 and 6,300 troops more are due by Monday.

5) The USNS Comfort hospital ship recalled all of its personnel, is fully stocked, and is on its way. This took a full 36 hours LESS than for Katrina. I know, I was actually there BEFORE the Comfort.

6) The USS Carl Vinson is already on scene, and it operating at full ability for recon, clearance, and identification and helicopter landing sites. At least 4 Coast Guard cutters are on scene, and attempting to secure an operable port for international shipping.

7) More than 8000 nurses have been registered through a Union organization, and are either deploying or are on standby to provide aid.

8) Aid and volunteer organizations are completely overwhelmed by requests of medical personnel to deploy to Haiti. One organization estimated that it will take literally months to sort and assign personnel, and get them in country.

The list could go on all day. The point is that this might be the best coordinated, largest disaster response in the time since the initial event. If you look at the logistics of a COMBAT situation, where as many personnel as this were needed, it could not have gone any faster other than fighter jets and special operations making HALO jumps.

US military were not on any special alert before this, yet have mobilized AS FAST as a DEFCON 3 combat deployment.


32 posted on 01/19/2010 9:17:18 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: LizardQueen

well, we see your vote is for “PC”

act concerned for all victims, speak sonorously of unimaginable horrors, American compassion, yada yada yada
Send in Hillary Bill and Chelsea (the dog was otherwise engaged) to be photographed dropping off some water and deliver some gray poupon for the US embassy

but don’t prioritize rescuing Americans - even if you are the US Govt and you have a US Embassy there to handle US interests.


33 posted on 01/19/2010 9:28:39 AM PST by silverleaf
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To: toldyou

As the media shows the horrible destruction and the dead over and over again, I happened to notice I don’t see any animals anywhere. Do they not have any animals?


34 posted on 01/19/2010 9:31:25 AM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: OldDeckHand; paulycy; My Favorite Headache

I didn’t know there were 45K Americans there. 5500 is not an unreasonable casualty count, I suppose.


35 posted on 01/19/2010 9:32:40 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: OldDeckHand

A few days ago it was reported that over 1000 Canadians were missing although that number has dropped recently as I assume communications begin to get through. So 5000+ Americans isn’t hard to believe.


36 posted on 01/19/2010 9:35:55 AM PST by xp38
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To: My Favorite Headache

Astounding if true.


37 posted on 01/19/2010 9:38:23 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: Spunky

“As the media shows the horrible destruction and the dead over and over again, I happened to notice I don’t see any animals anywhere. Do they not have any animals?”

I’ve not seen any either, but as you said...they show the same thing over and over. I’ve stopped watching and have been reading. One very gruesome bit...one of the reporters on CNN said that he saw a dog feeding on a corpse on the street. How awful.

Like I said...lots of info on facebook.


38 posted on 01/19/2010 9:42:01 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: toldyou

I’m curious to know:

— The ratio of Haitian persons to U.S. church sponsorships prior to the quake. In other words, how many churches and relief agencies have an ongoing mission inside Haiti.

— Same statistic, after the quake.

— When is the American left going to take note that the U.S. military is on the ground in Haiti, having “invaded a sovereign country” and begun “killing innocent civilians” and doing all the other malicious things that they observe in our armed services?

— When is the American left going to find a Haliburton to villify? And who will that Haliburton be?

— On what legal basis is the U.S. military on the ground in Haiti anyway? Where is the Haitian government? (I haven’t seen this in news coverage.)


39 posted on 01/19/2010 10:09:31 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

“MSNBC had a group of families crying this am that America is not doing enough to rescue their loved ones.”

They have been on the Today Show, Larry King, CNN, MSNBC etc., since day one. I can understand their desperation, but it has been reported that there are more search and rescue teams at Hotel Montana, where their girls are, than any other place in Haiti. The university even sent a private rescue team there on day one.

In all the chaos, there was a report sent that the students were found only to realize it was false. The university immediately said they wanted a full investigation regarding the mistake.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/university_want.html


40 posted on 01/19/2010 10:09:55 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: mbarker12474

Where is the Haitian government? (I haven’t seen this in news coverage.)

“The government, weak in the best of circumstances, was trying to function from a yard outside a police station near the airport. Many government buildings in the center of the city — including the National Palace, Parliament, the health and foreign ministries and Port-au-Prince city hall — were destroyed.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-haiti-quake20-2010jan20,0,6429512.story

“...not all is well in the Haitian criminal-justice system. Some 4,000 inmates have reportedly escaped from the country’s largest prison, the Penitentier National. But, writes Shargel, from a criminal-justice perspective, “the “problem” runs a lot deeper than the need to re-arrest the criminals.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/01/19/on-rebuilding-the-haitian-criminal-justice-system-where-to-start/


41 posted on 01/19/2010 10:27:48 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: ColdOne
You were saying ...

I for some reason this time am not watching TV at all.... From what I can piece together it is a living hell over there right now. I saw a photo on CNN.com a man holding a knife to anothers throat while looting going on all around..... Prayers for that country....

They need to break out of their evil voodoo culture over there that has the people in bondage to the devil and all the death and destruction that accompanies it.

Here's a link to a FReeper Article in regards to Haiti's voodoo and Satanic culture...

Government Of The Devil, By The Devil, And For The Devil [Haiti Government]

This is an excellent time to follow up on the eternal destiny of the people of Haiti, while also attending to their emergency needs.

42 posted on 01/19/2010 10:28:35 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: hennie pennie

*bookmark*


43 posted on 01/19/2010 10:31:33 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Star Traveler

I understand it is a voodoo culture...... Having said that... Prayers to our people. I would have posted BUT I thought Prayers for that country would cover that... I see it did not.... I failed>...


44 posted on 01/19/2010 10:33:31 AM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; silverleaf; SunkenCiv
>>>> "I find that number very hard to believe. But if they're there, they are no doubt CIA spies looking to steal Haitian atomic secrets.? <.i> <<<<

I've read hundreds of online articles about missionaries in Haiti, about school groups doing donation trips to Haiti, about Americans setting up orphanages in Haiti, about huge church groups doing one or two week stints volunteering in Haiti ----- there are hundreds and hundreds of articles and webpages about U.S. citizens volunteering IN Haiti.

It doesn't surprise me that this number is missing, I suspect that it is a lowball estimate; in the very beginning, it was stated that there were between 45 to 50 thousand Americans KNOWN to be in Haiti -- and I'd hazard a guess that the greater number of them were located in Port au Prince, right at the epicenter.

45 posted on 01/19/2010 10:37:31 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: silverleaf

No, you completely misunderstood me. I didn’t say I didn’t want them to get the Americans out as a priority, I said I DIDN’T WANT THE MEDIA COVERING IT if they are.

You know damn well it what it would be twisted into then.

Best to get them out fast and on the QT.

And regarding Bill etc - IMHO the damn politicians etc need to STAY OUT OF THE AREA and let the people actually doing the work get in first. Frankly, other than maybe Sanjay Gupta, who is doing medical work while he’s there, I’d like to ban the media from the area as well.

LQ


46 posted on 01/19/2010 10:40:47 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: silverleaf

And as far as taking risks when going to a 3rd world country, that is just COLD HARD FACT.

In a major catastrophe you can’t depend on the embassy to save your a$$, you need to know that going in.

LQ


47 posted on 01/19/2010 10:42:18 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: ColdOne

Well, there’s two things that I’ve noticed in that regard (about voodoo in Haiti)... some know it’s massively there in the country, but think it’s no big deal and that it’s like going to church or something... LOL...

And some others don’t know it’s a problem at all...

I mention it so that it’s clear that it’s a massive problem in their culture and has been for decade upon decade.


48 posted on 01/19/2010 10:48:56 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Safrguns

rude posts to you don’t even deserve your poised response


49 posted on 01/19/2010 10:56:10 AM PST by RDTF (How can you have a terrorist sympathizer counseling soldiers coming back from killing terrorists??)
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To: Star Traveler
I mention it so that it’s clear that it’s a massive problem in their culture and has been for decade upon decade///Thankyou..
50 posted on 01/19/2010 11:05:06 AM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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