Posted on 01/19/2010 10:17:23 AM PST by Kartographer
I just watched a live report by Steve Harrigan showning memebers of the 82nd Airborne troops providing security at a Haiti aid distribution point all unarmed WTH?
I noticed that, too. Shocking. I’m going to contact the Pentagon about it.
Right behind you with a contact about that Bravo Sierra.
I can hear my grandfather, a proud 509th WWII vet, rolling in his grave.
I am so glad he’s with the great I AM and doesn’t have to watch what we’re doing to ourselves.
My wife was in St. Croix after Hurricane Hugo as an MP and they were armed the whole time they were there.
Are we sure about this? maybe someone should contact Fox and/or Drudge.
I wouldn’t put it past our leaders to do this, but it’s insane, because they are supposed to be there guarding innocent Haitians as well as themselves.
France has been screaming that the U.S. is exceeding its authority, and people like Chavez have accused us of invading Haiti. Normally we would ignore someone like Chavez, or just give him a diplomatic poke, but with Obama in charge and Gates ready to bow down, who knows?
If everyone is actually unarmed, that is unwise beyond words.
I saw the video and all the had was their ‘camel’ packs (water bags)and that was IT! All praise our Commander and Chief!(sarc)
And like you said, guns vs sticks. Shouldn't be a problem, but stupid liberal Democrats have this habit of making our warfighters leave their ammo in the truck.
And I thought everyone on FreeRepublic was nuts about with their comments that he wants to disarm our Military.
Boy, I have egg on my face.
Next they will be handing out Flowers and Singing Songs about Peace and Love.
I feel for these guys, without a gun there I would feel naked.
I bet there are armed sentries off-camera, and weapons where they can get to them. We all remember the African “relief effort” and how that went. And so do they.
I thought 0bama was not going to deploy troops unless they were properly equipped.
The Black Messiah wants to protect his brothers. ;0(
Looks like they’re armed.
Last night CBS did a spot about UN troops being very aggressive, pushing around the Haitians in contrast to our USA troops. Our troops had guns, but the report said they were NOT loaded.
UN Troops Fire Rubber Bullet into Crowd
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6112288n&tag=mg;mostpopvideo
Just sent this to all 3 of my congresscritters:
I just caught a report from Haiti in which it was mentioned that we have troops from the 82nd Airborne doing security work at a food distribution center UNARMED!!!!!!!
Need you to get into that and let me know if it’s true.
Given Obama’s past behavior in these situations, it probably is.
And given the level of crime and general lawlessness in that sad place, that sounds like a recipe for another Beirut Embassy catastrophe to me.
This bastard in the White House is the worst political joke in the past millenium, isn’t he?
BUT – BUT AMERICA AND AMERICANS ARE SO “UNREMARKABLE!”
The hearts and prayers of Americans always go out to those who suffer catastrophic events. Haiti is but the most recent example. American people and treasure are already flowing into that sad place, made sadder still by this earthquake.
Of course, as Barack Obama spent his first year in office reminding the entire world, America is just like all the other nations out there and we are a most “unremarkable” people.
I’d remind him that the wealth which we are now about to pour into Haiti is the result of the superior and productive political and economic system left us by some wise and far-sighted men over 240 years ago. How sad that Obama is well on the way to destroying it. Obama and his not so merry band of Chicago thugs need to ask themselves from where that wealth now flowing into Haiti will come when they complete their sought after destruction of the unique American system?
The persistent poverty in places like Haiti is a product of the inferior systems the people of far too many of those nations continue to tolerate. I don’t know much about the human beings at the top of the current Haitian food chain but situations of this sort have, in the past, caused a huge surge in the quantity of numbered accounts in Swiss banks. I hope that doesn’t happen in this situation. If it should, I hope the decent members of the Haitian population conduct public hangings of those involved.
As one commentator recently remarked, Haiti could easily join the other wealthy tourist spots in the Caribbean were it not for their unfortunate inability to move out of the 18th century.
If any good can come from this disaster, perhaps it will be that they will reexamine their social and economic “model” and rebuild their homeland in ways that will permit ALL of their citizens to participate and prosper.
I posed that very question days ago re: ammunition as we saw troops out amidst the devastation.
What’s in your magazine?
Amazing.
The pictures I’ve seen they were armed.
All - look up the drill and ceremony command “Stack Arms.”
Weapons stacked and guarded, mostly likely.
It was a live shot I saw less that an hour ago you could see at least 5 or 6 of our guys all unarmed Steve Harrigan did the report and he himself pointed out that they were unarmed and carried only their ‘camel’ packs.
“The American soldiers on hand - members of the 82nd Airborne - showed restraint. Their helmets were off and their guns were intentionally unloaded.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/18/eveningnews/main6113381.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
What do you expect. We have a gang of thugs in charge who don't beleive anyone should be able to defend themselves - even in their own homes. Obama fought to prevent self-defense when in the Illinois senate.
He has hamstrung our troops in Afghanistan with his NRE - which rules that our troops cannot fire at the enemy until AFTER the enemy has the first shot.
This has resulted in the highest KIA’s EACH MONTH since last summer - than any months previous of the entire war!
The taliban know the new rules - skewed for THEIR protection over our troops...and take full advantage. They can now advance much closer and get dug in before they attack.
Why would you expect our troops in Haiti would be allowed to defend themselves from machete wielding gangs?
These Chicago thugs have never seen a day in the military - they know NOTHING about fighting...and they despise out troops.
And if our troops capture a terrorist IN THE BATTLEFIELD, he must read him his MIRANDA RIGHTS. so the taliban have no fear of getting captured.
The WH thugs - our ‘enemy domestic.”
If you want to find out what the 82nd is up to read the linked story
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2010/01/19/969233
And then go to the other stories linked on the right of that page.
The Fayetteville Observer does keep the area informed on what the home town Division is up to.
let’s get the facts before we get upset, please.
There will be a cry loud and long the instant one of ours gets it because he/she could not defend themselves.
The US military should NOT be deployed like this. It's asking for an international incident from which the US CANNOT come out looking good. Mark me on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we are right, we are wrong.... and if we are wrong, we are wrong..... A truly NO WIN situation.
The American soldiers on hand - members of the 82nd Airborne - showed restraint. Their helmets were off and their guns were intentionally unloaded.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/18/eveningnews/main6113381.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
Was there a copy of the ‘field manual’ in their gear?
They can throw em, I guess.
Is this for real? How stupid can you get?
Actually, the Army will often have troops carry their weapons and not issue ammo, or hold the ammo in a local arms room. Back in Bosnia in ‘96 that was common. Its a trade off between force protection and accidental/improper weapon discharge.
Beirut Embassy, Part 2 in the making!!!
My God, were do we get the idiots — in the military and elsewhere — who send these kids into these situations with no READY means of defense.
Wonder if they’d send THEIR kids in like that?
Oh, wait, THEIR kids are in prep school or an Ivy League indoctrination center.
Some years ago I got it straight from the mouth of an AF Sargeant that had done 2 tours in Bosnia.
They had to carry their weapons UNLOADED. Were allowed to load them AFTER being fired upon. I can’t tell you if that applied to all situations.
I can’t remember whether this conversation took place before or after W took office. But in all honesty, Republican leadership has not provided our boys with much better ROE. It has gotten steadily worse since Nam.
Ok, so they have their weapons but no ammo?
I thought I saw they were totally disarmed. But it is just a picture and a video, it is possible it was just a misleading snippet.
Ok, so they have their weapons but no ammo?
I thought I saw they were totally disarmed. But it is just a picture and a video, it is possible it was just a misleading snippet.
You sure that’s not a pic from New Orleans?
Seems possible the news coming out of Haiti is slightly mixed.
“Beirut Embassy, Part 2 in the making!!!”
Yep! Seems we never learn.
“My God, were do we get the idiots — in the military and elsewhere — who send these kids into these situations with no READY means of defense.
Wonder if they’d send THEIR kids in like that?”
Just saw an article about Bill and Chelsea showing up...I bet their guards are armed.
Many times photos like this are posted without an explanation. If there is one, forgive me.
Where and when was this photo taken?
Maybe their guns were transferred to the Panther Civilian Defense Force. And when you consider that the DHS contracted with Winchester for 400 million .40 cal, 135 gr JHP over the next 5 years you know where all the primers and components are. Rough road ahead.
Why didn't he fire?
Per orders from his superiors, HIS MAGAZINE WAS IN A BELT POUCH AND AS HE FUMBLED TO RETRIEVE IT, THE TRUCK WAS ALREADY IN THE LOBBY AND ENVELOPED IN A BALL OF FLAMES.
Can't tell from the photo due to the contrast gamma, but I don't think I see any mags in those weapons.
And even if they were, can we say they were loaded?
We're talking about a CIC codenamed “OBOWZO” who just spent a year APOLOGIZING for America's “arrogance.”
Thank you! One or two pictures doesn't mean anything.
They are armed. Count on it.
Come on people. Let's not get falsely indignant. It makes us look like a bunch of knee jerk libs.
“let’s get the facts before we get upset, please.
Thank you! One or two pictures doesn’t mean anything.
They are armed. Count on it.
Come on people. Let’s not get falsely indignant. It makes us look like a bunch of knee jerk libs.”
Okay, fine. Should we just discount these reports?
The American soldiers on hand - members of the 82nd Airborne - showed restraint. Their helmets were off and their guns were intentionally unloaded.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/18/eveningnews/main6113381.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
Correction: Although the email link I got from an FFL via commercial reloader cited 400 million rounds a quick search identified the contract as 200 million. My memory still recalls 400 Mill but lots of bullets either way.
? So what? As soon as we hit the ground we had our berets on. Unless they're in a combat situation, is there a need to have their helmets on?
"...their "guns" (weapons) were intentionally unloaded."
So how long do you figure it takes to pop a loaded magazine in?
Don't discount empirical evidence, but take it for what it is. And also account for media bias and agenda.
Stupid isn’t it?
“And also account for media bias and agenda. “
What...really??? If you’ve been alive for 10 minutes you should know that.
We must have some folks here on FR who have loved ones deployed to Haiti. I’d like to hear some first hand info on whether our people are allowed bullets. If history is an indicator, they may not be. Wouldn’t be the first time some PC CIC has pulled that. Time will tell.
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