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Could the Navy power Port-au-Prince from a nuclear submarine?
Foxnews ^ | 01-19-2010 | Foreign Policy

Posted on 01/19/2010 5:14:03 PM PST by JeffBoste

Could the Navy power Port-au-Prince from a nuclear submarine

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; haiti; haitirelief; portauprince; usnavy
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1 posted on 01/19/2010 5:14:03 PM PST by JeffBoste
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To: JeffBoste

No...


2 posted on 01/19/2010 5:15:03 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: JeffBoste

Submarines are usually not equipped with external electrical outlets.


3 posted on 01/19/2010 5:16:13 PM PST by GingisK
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To: JeffBoste

Give the SEABEES 30 minutes and the run of the boat .. they’ll get it going.


4 posted on 01/19/2010 5:17:20 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: JeffBoste

As someone commented on the site, what are they going to hook it into? Most of the electrical grid is probably laying on the ground covered with rubble right now. It will take quite a while to get it rebuilt.


5 posted on 01/19/2010 5:18:18 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: JeffBoste

possibly if all the power lines weren’t down.


6 posted on 01/19/2010 5:18:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: JeffBoste

NO.

The cooling systems of the reactor rely on the sub being under weigh.


7 posted on 01/19/2010 5:18:46 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA))
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To: GingisK

Just run a stension cord out a winder.


8 posted on 01/19/2010 5:18:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: JeffBoste

No, their nuclear power plant is designed to provide power for the ship for an extended period of time. The system is self contained and closed.


9 posted on 01/19/2010 5:18:50 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: JeffBoste

They’d need a surge protector I think.


10 posted on 01/19/2010 5:20:07 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: JeffBoste

Generators on a nuke sub are not large enough and line losses would be quite large. We can place diesel and gas turbine generators where they need to be. But what would one use for distribution? The grid has to be as toasted as the buildings are. So I don’t think large scale generation is an issue as of yet.


11 posted on 01/19/2010 5:20:30 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: JeffBoste

Power what?

The place was bad before, now it is destroyed.


12 posted on 01/19/2010 5:20:58 PM PST by Eagle Eye (The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.)
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To: JeffBoste
No... Subs are for blowing stuff up. They're not Energizer‑Bunnies‑of‑the‑Sea.
13 posted on 01/19/2010 5:21:11 PM PST by Redcloak (Error 404: Tagline not found.)
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To: JeffBoste

Sure, easily done! Marinas in Port-au-Prince are typically wired for 30A shore power service. To get around this limitation, simply run extra shore power cables from the dock to the submarine; try zip-tying 1000 30A cables together to make the connection. You may need to plug into pedestals at adjacent slips. If you run into any connection difficulties, a quick run to the Port-au-Prince West Marine should do the trick.

Be sure to advise the marina office before you bring the reactor online, to prevent annoying electrical glitches from appearing in the marina wiring onshore.


14 posted on 01/19/2010 5:21:35 PM PST by dinodino
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To: JeffBoste

The nuke aspect of the sub makes steam, and steam drives the main engines and generators. As someone stated, subs are not equiped to run power out.

However, a good size ship could run out about 4000KW which would be enough to get em goin...


15 posted on 01/19/2010 5:22:32 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: GingisK

IIRC, didn’t the Navy provide power to some parts of Kauai after Hurricane Iwa by using some sort of ship-to-shore power rig?


16 posted on 01/19/2010 5:22:33 PM PST by upstanding
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To: JeffBoste

You mean the marvel of wind and solar power is not enough?


17 posted on 01/19/2010 5:22:40 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: JeffBoste

If there is no power how is the stinkin press recharging all their battery packs...


18 posted on 01/19/2010 5:22:46 PM PST by tubebender
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To: cripplecreek
Just run a stension cord out a winder.

Ain't no more winders.

19 posted on 01/19/2010 5:23:15 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: cripplecreek

Hey that is exactly what I did after Katrina ... stension cord from my gen. to the fridge a fan and a light! Oh and to the Sat. TV.


20 posted on 01/19/2010 5:24:29 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: wtc911

Using a nuclear reactor to provide power to starving, suffering people, probably violates some stupid environmental law.

Using gas generators probably violates some Obama EPA regulation.

And the surge protector would have to be plugged in by a union outfit.


21 posted on 01/19/2010 5:25:19 PM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Candor7
Naw. Subs don't use scoop injection which is used by skimmers when underway. We get underway from docking w/o any problems. So...it's not an issue.
22 posted on 01/19/2010 5:25:19 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: JeffBoste

This reminds me of a cartoon I once saw. A pickup truck was parked next to the space shuttle with jumper cables running from the truck to the shuttle. The caption was; “Now try it.”


23 posted on 01/19/2010 5:25:21 PM PST by Walmartian
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To: Blueflag
"Give the SEABEES 30 minutes and the run of the boat .. they’ll get it going."

That is so true. Their ingenuity - and I'm sure it's the same for the Army/Marine combat engineers - is something to behold.

24 posted on 01/19/2010 5:25:25 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: tubebender
"If there is no power how is the stinkin press recharging all their battery packs."

Portable gas generators --- hardware store type?

25 posted on 01/19/2010 5:25:26 PM PST by StormEye
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To: JeffBoste

Yes a sub could supply electrical power but there would need to be a special infrastructure there, The voltage would have to be jacked up to supply a large area and the generators do not cover all the energy to electricity, most is for the shaft not electricity so it would not be as efficient as you would think or want in this case. For a small camp or base yes not for a city.


26 posted on 01/19/2010 5:25:27 PM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: JeffBoste

Probably not. Much of their transmission capacity is on the ground or torn apart. They’ll probably need a lot of work before they can start bringing pieces of their grid back up.

A better approach would be to bring in diesel gensets for specific applications - eg, hospitals, emergency infrastructure, etc. until such time as they’re able to repair their local distribution system.


27 posted on 01/19/2010 5:25:28 PM PST by NVDave
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To: JeffBoste

The envirowhacko’s wouldn’t allow it, even if it could be done.


28 posted on 01/19/2010 5:26:45 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

What did you use for power in your greenhouse? Do you ever wonder where the press is crapping over there...


29 posted on 01/19/2010 5:27:07 PM PST by tubebender
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To: JeffBoste

You mean the marvel of wind and solar power is not enough?


30 posted on 01/19/2010 5:27:27 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: JeffBoste

No doubt CA has a giant pile of diesel generators/gensets that will become illegal upon non-compliance with the latest CARB regulations regarding particulate output. We’d just have to eminent domain them from private citizens and hospitals and farms. Shouldn’t be much of a problem.


31 posted on 01/19/2010 5:30:23 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: Nuc1

Well I defer to your opinion. I was under the impression that the reactor on a sub can only run at very low yield unless moving.


32 posted on 01/19/2010 5:33:12 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA))
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To: JeffBoste
Although Haiti is a basket case, I know a nuclear sub once provided enough power to light off a steam plant on the island of Oahu back in the days before they had diesel generation plants. They had a cascade failure of their steam generation plants and everything went down.

One of my instructors in EE classes that worked for GE helped them figure out how to do it.
33 posted on 01/19/2010 5:33:21 PM PST by microgood
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To: tubebender
Hey good to see you Tube ... I only started gardenind three years ago and still dont have a green house! LOL

Hey the press kraps when and wherever they want! No video!

34 posted on 01/19/2010 5:33:36 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: JeffBoste

I have no idea if a sub’s reactor could handle that but, there is a nuclear aircraft carrier off the coast. I would think, if such a thing could be done, that the carrier’s reactor would be the better choice. Still, it doesn’t sound like the best solution out there.


35 posted on 01/19/2010 5:36:16 PM PST by Reaganesque ("And thou shalt do it with all humility, trusting in me, reviling not against revilers.")
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To: JeffBoste

All energy production in Haiti should be restricted to windmills and solar panels. At least that’s what the pointy heads in the Obama adminstration say will fix an economy.


36 posted on 01/19/2010 5:36:18 PM PST by BinaryBoy (Stuck with a RINO? Donate to a different district.)
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To: JeffBoste

no


37 posted on 01/19/2010 5:38:36 PM PST by tom paine 2
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To: JeffBoste

We’ve had portable nuclear generators since the late 1950’s, some of which have powered bases in the Arctic and other regions. However, I don’t see Mr. Obama authorizing their use.


38 posted on 01/19/2010 5:38:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: microgood
That is fine if the distribution lines are still up. Gee we could have parked ten Nuke subs offshore in Gulfport, Ms and not one watt would have reached me!

Took weeks to get the lines back up!

39 posted on 01/19/2010 5:38:58 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: JeffBoste

We’ve had portable nuclear generators since the late 1950’s, some of which have powered bases in the Arctic and other regions. However, I don’t see Mr. Obama authorizing their use.


40 posted on 01/19/2010 5:40:30 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: JeffBoste

We’ve had portable nuclear generators since the late 1950’s, some of which have powered bases in the Arctic and other regions. However, I don’t see Mr. Obama authorizing their use.


41 posted on 01/19/2010 5:40:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: JeffBoste

USS Lexington (CV-2) powers Tacoma, 1929:

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=pf_output.cfm&file_id=5113


42 posted on 01/19/2010 5:41:00 PM PST by hc87
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To: JeffBoste
hell no...we need to set up windmills, solar panels,and plant trees and recyle aluminum cans.....the green way or the highway!!!!!!

eveyone knows the earthquake was because the Haitians were'nt recyling enough...

43 posted on 01/19/2010 5:44:29 PM PST by cherry
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To: SuziQ
<> Out the screen door then.
44 posted on 01/19/2010 5:44:50 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: JeffBoste
If the US Navy were asked to get this job done then it would get done.

GO NAVY!

45 posted on 01/19/2010 5:46:03 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: hc87

Lexington and Saratoga had turbo-electric drives, where the steam plant (in their case oil-fired as opposed to a nuke) is used to power electric motors that drive the propellers. In cases like that, the electric plant would be large enough to power civilian facilities.

The last turbo-electric US sub was the USS Glenard P. Lipscomb, SSN-685. She was a one-off commissioned in the early 70s and decommissioned and recycled in the 1990s.


46 posted on 01/19/2010 5:47:30 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: JeffBoste
Yes, but first we'd have to ship in about a million extension cords. Remember the city, such as it is, is laying in pieces on the ground. Generating power is not the main problem, having something to plug into it is something else again. They would do better making fresh water and making it available fast.

Rule of threes:
You can go three weeks with out food,
You can go three days without water,
You can go three minutes without air,
But you probably won't last three seconds without a plan.

Regards,
GtG

47 posted on 01/19/2010 5:49:15 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Combat troops under wartime conditions aren’t restricted to all the mundane environmental rules and regulations which prevent things from getting done. If something has to be done NOW in order to win the battle or survive, it usually can be done expediently if not prettily or effeciently.

Things get done just to get them done without regards to cost or longevity. A ship damaged in combat at sea may get patched up, but those patches won't be very pretty and the ship is sent out again ASAP.

48 posted on 01/19/2010 5:50:22 PM PST by dglang
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To: JeffBoste

Right now, three or four companies are completely swamped with prepaid orders for small nuclear reactors. These are anywhere from the size of a shipping container to two or three times that large, and can power about five square miles of a modern, first world city, including its industries. Major, power consumptive industries would need their own dedicated reactor.

It has been proposed that one of the smaller, shipping container sized ones could be put on the back of a heavy haul semi trailer, then would be driven into a disaster area, again in a modern country, to act as a “power grid node”, to restore still functional parts of a power grid that had been disconnected from the main grid. This would make regional recovery much faster, if “parts of the city” had power.

This would be much like using a generator to provide power to just your house, during a power outage.

In addition, it would likewise power a second vehicle, that would be a large volume reverse osmosis water purification trailer, that could take available water from whatever source, and produce enough for the personal needs of everyone in the area, to include public showers, field laundromats, and more than enough water to drink.

Unfortunately, Haiti has nothing like a modern power grid in good condition, and what power grid it has likely is now utterly useless and will need to be rebuilt. Not that it will be.


49 posted on 01/19/2010 5:50:52 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: upstanding
IIRC, didn’t the Navy provide power to some parts of Kauai after Hurricane Iwa by using some sort of ship-to-shore power rig?

16 posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:22:33 PM by upstanding

Yes the Navy did do this for Kauai after a storm knocked out the power plant. However, the grid was still operational.

50 posted on 01/19/2010 5:55:03 PM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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