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Obama Cuts Deal that Will Reduce Social Security, Medicare and all Entitlements (surrender?)
Baltimore Chronicle ^ | 1/20/10 | James Ridgeway

Posted on 01/21/2010 6:12:29 AM PST by Libloather

Obama Cuts Deal that Will Reduce Social Security, Medicare and all Entitlements
by James Ridgeway
20 January 2010

The Obama administration literally collapsed yesterday. Any pretense of liberal change was washed away in a closed door deal to cut entitlements. While the Massachusetts voters were casting their ballots to install the upstart Republican Scott Brown to Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat, President Obama was hammering out an agreement with Democratic leaders to support a plan to issue an executive order to cut entitlements, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

The effect of this plan, if accepted by Congress, will be to override the already weakened health care reform legislation.

It represents a capitulation to conservatives in both parties, and would leave Democratic liberals accepting unconditional surrender not only on health care, but on the most basic of all New Deal programs. It reaches far beyond actions by the Reagan and Bush administration.

As the Washington Post explains this morning:

Under the agreement, President Obama would issue an executive order to create an 18-member panel that would be granted broad authority to propose changes in the tax code and in the massive federal entitlement programs — including Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security — that threaten to drive the nation’s debt to levels not seen since World War II.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimorechronicle.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bho44; bhosotu; democrats; medicare; obama; rats; socialsecurity
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The State of the Union Show should be interesting.
1 posted on 01/21/2010 6:12:30 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Their traitors and they will NEVER give up. The only way to save this nation is to vote them all out.


2 posted on 01/21/2010 6:14:18 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Libloather

This will be blamed on the conservatives and used against them. People will be dumb enough to believe it.


3 posted on 01/21/2010 6:14:52 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Libloather

Ironically, one year ago the left claimed that Social Security was not in trouble.


4 posted on 01/21/2010 6:16:23 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Libloather

It sounds to me like Obama is going to replace congress with an 18 member panel that he appoints. That sounds really great doesn’t it! /s.


5 posted on 01/21/2010 6:16:45 AM PST by resistance (abandon all hope and reason, become a democrat)
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To: Libloather

GOP needs to get out there NOW and tell the American people what BO has done to them... especially the senior citizens.

This is disgraceful.


6 posted on 01/21/2010 6:16:47 AM PST by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: Libloather

I can see it now. Out in the audience members will stand up holding signs “You Lie”

Silent protest is passive resistance and the way of the Black culture. The One should embrace such action


7 posted on 01/21/2010 6:17:21 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: Libloather

This is another abrogation of duties directed to the legislative branch that is tell the Executive how to run the government. This is like the base closing commission of years gone by.

The article is another cover piece for the administration, slight of hand, look over here while I do this over there.


8 posted on 01/21/2010 6:17:40 AM PST by Mouton
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To: raybbr
Exactly, it's a trap and nothing more.

Blame others for cutting entitlements, and go find political cover for raising taxes too.

This has Axelrod written all over it and anyone who buys it is naive.

9 posted on 01/21/2010 6:17:50 AM PST by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - James Bond to P. Galore in "Goldfinger".)
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To: raybbr

The Haitians & illegals need the American seniors benefits and money. I said this would happen. Cutting Americans throats with “compaasion” and liberal TV news. Fools in America fall for it.


10 posted on 01/21/2010 6:18:43 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Libloather

Somehow I really doubt that “conservatives” support surrendering the legislative authority of the Congress to an 18 member panel appointed by obama, who is finding even one party democrat majority rule a way too troublesome and slow means of ruling the people

Ah for the good ol’ days of George Bush when a 2% increase in SS was called a “cut” by democrats looking for 5%

Has AARP applauded this yet?

It really really does look like the democrats are severing the seniors from their bloc of favored constituents - but those pesky experienced citizens have lots of energy and money and lots of time to campaign - and VOTE


11 posted on 01/21/2010 6:19:17 AM PST by silverleaf (In college George Bush got C's - Obama probably failed "lunch")
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To: Libloather

Pass the buck to a new authority with broad power to propose changes? What the H E double toothpick does that mean?

Hey No-bama, grow a pair and propose something yourself.

Oh that’s right, Me-shell has your do-hickies in her purse. Might as well pass it off to Dusty and Madame like before.

Hey Pubbies. Give ‘em NOTHING. Salt the fields. Shut the whole thing down til after the midterms, then impeach the base-tards.


12 posted on 01/21/2010 6:19:26 AM PST by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: resistance

.......It sounds to me like Obama is going to replace congress with an 18 member panel .......

What he is doing is kicking the can way on down the road.


13 posted on 01/21/2010 6:19:45 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: Libloather
Hope Has Died!


14 posted on 01/21/2010 6:20:09 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Libloather
While the Massachusetts voters were casting their ballots to install the upstart Republican Scott Brown

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahaha! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
"Upstart". Heh.

15 posted on 01/21/2010 6:21:04 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Libloather

If Bush had done this there would have been riots in the streets.

Among other things, the “entitlements” are Ponzi schemes.


16 posted on 01/21/2010 6:21:30 AM PST by cvq3842 (A fool and his liberty are soon parted.)
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To: Reagan69

I take this report with a grain of salt. However, somebody isn’t going to get social security and no amount of whining and protesting will not change the fact that at some point, we don’t have the money to pay what people thought they’d get.


17 posted on 01/21/2010 6:22:06 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Libloather

A very large amount of noise and fuss needs to be made about this.

The panel is a fraud to eliminate debate and bi-partisan compromise. It is the enactment of one-party dictatorial rule over all US entitlement programs and tens of *trillions* of dollars.

This is yet again the 0bama leftist administration UNILATERALLY telling us what “conservatives” and “The American People” do or don’t want and then screwing the us without even a token amount of debate or representation.

They don’t intend to waste the entitlement money crisis and this is their gambit.

Kill it.


18 posted on 01/21/2010 6:23:45 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: OKSooner

Everything The Won does has Axelrod written all over it. Obama is incapable of making any decisions on his own.

The. Worst. President. Ever.


19 posted on 01/21/2010 6:24:09 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Reagan69

Not sure Id hold my breathe for that. The GOP seems pretty screwed up as well. To me this doesn’t seem like a dem/gop problem as much as a DC/rest of the country problem.


20 posted on 01/21/2010 6:24:47 AM PST by 556x45
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To: resistance

“Conservatives” would not favor an unconstitutional power grab by an 18 member appointed panel of obama commissars-

a “bipartisan” panel no doubt. and BOO HISS NA NA NA NA Good bye to any Republican who participates

This is cover for passing radical panicky CYA legislation in the face of looming democrat induced US bankruptcy- without the democrats having to reveal themselves and vote


21 posted on 01/21/2010 6:24:49 AM PST by silverleaf (In college George Bush got C's - Obama probably failed "lunch")
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To: Libloather

Anyone see this:
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2010/012010Ridgeway.shtml


22 posted on 01/21/2010 6:25:14 AM PST by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: Libloather
Goodbye congress as you are to be replaced by a 16 person committee directed by the White House.
23 posted on 01/21/2010 6:25:31 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Royal 100 Club is Acting the Same as the Roman Senate When the Republic Collapsed)
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To: Reagan69
The US must reform the entitlement programs. They are unsustainable. SS will go permanently in the red in 2017, i.e., it will be paying out more than it is taking in. Medicare is already in the red. We have been cashing in the HI trust fund (Medicare Part A) IOUs since 2008. By 2014, 45% of all Medicare expenditures will come from the General Fund. By law, the General Fund pays 75% of the costs for Medicare Parts B and D. The revenue collected pays for only 25% of the costs.

I think the panel is a reflection of the lack of political leadership in this country, which cannot make the hard decisions. The politicians don't want to be held responsibile for the inevitable cuts in benefits and an increase in taxes.

A SUMMARY OF THE 2009 ANNUAL REPORTS Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees

24 posted on 01/21/2010 6:26:04 AM PST by kabar
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To: Libloather

Far easier to manipulate 18 rather than 435....this is unconstitutional...and hopefully will be challenged.


25 posted on 01/21/2010 6:26:05 AM PST by mo
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To: Reagan69

Sorry, disregard my last post, which is on the wrong thread !!! (I’m blonde.)


26 posted on 01/21/2010 6:28:38 AM PST by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: Libloather
The deal is based on rickety interpretation of the country’s basic laws governing taxation. Normally, any change in taxes must be passed first by the House, with legislation wending its way through the Ways and Means Committee up to the floor. This proposed arrangement short cuts—indeed appears to bypass—this procedure. The appointed commission is to make a recommendation on the budget after the election and that recommendation then goes straight to the floor of both houses for an up or down binding vote

Good Lord, taking control in plain sight.

Control the economy and control everyone, with a 18 person star chamber and a token congress.

Our laziness and a congress full of power hungry game players, have delivered this on us.

27 posted on 01/21/2010 6:31:31 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Libloather

The Baltimore Chronicle may want to believe that the panel will advocate cuts, but the truth is more likely the panel will be the catalyst for further tax increases.

May I safely assume that this paper is rabidly left-wing?


28 posted on 01/21/2010 6:31:51 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Libloather

Maybe he’ll appoint an “Entitlements Czar”! That should help! Along with a staff of 50 in cushy offices in D.C. the new Czar should be able to “oversee” the cuts to entitlements and save jobs, and create jobs, and, and, and....

Oh wait, we already have 100 Entitlement Czars; they called Senators.


29 posted on 01/21/2010 6:32:25 AM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: Libloather

Cut grandma’s social security with an election coming. Hahahahaha Yeah, sure.


30 posted on 01/21/2010 6:33:44 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Libloather

Executive Order huh? That’s gonna be his work around now?


31 posted on 01/21/2010 6:34:15 AM PST by b4its2late (Before you can control a horse, you have to break it. Sound familiar?)
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To: Libloather

Actually, I’m going to be a contrarian here. All of these programs need significant cuts. The US is bankrupt unless they get made. Congress cannot do it.

So long as BO doesn’t hide a bunch of nasty left wing poison in this proposal, I’d be inclined to give it tentative support. The problem is, I don’t trust him to only address those issues. He’ll try to sneak free health care for illegal immigrants, gay marriage, death panels, and cuts to missile defense into the package.

So it needs to be watched carefully. But in general principal, why should we be opposing cuts in three of the worst entitlement programs ever devised.


32 posted on 01/21/2010 6:34:47 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Libloather

As I’ve poster elsewhere on FR, watch out. Brown’s win made Barry realize that if he wants a second term, he’s got to swing to the center.

And 3 years is a long time in most American’s memory!! Barry’s first year goofs will be forgotten or forgiven by then.


33 posted on 01/21/2010 6:36:31 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty
As I’ve poster posted elsewhere on FR
34 posted on 01/21/2010 6:37:19 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Libloather

Yeah, let some panel do it. He ain’t got the time, the first tee is open at 1 o’clock


35 posted on 01/21/2010 6:38:43 AM PST by machman
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To: Libloather

Obama is “messing” with the wrong people! He cuts US and WE cut him!

If they want to cut, start with the Dept. of Education and its $56 BILLION budget! That would pay for the SS gap!


36 posted on 01/21/2010 6:42:01 AM PST by WellyP
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To: Libloather

I can handle a 3% or even a 5% cut in social security, but I want Obambi and congress to take the same cuts. Oh yes, and federal employee wages also.

They can reduce medicare 3-5% if they choose. I carry supplemental insurance to pick up the slack. Now the cut to the care is a different story. Trying to find a doctor today that will take medicare patients is impossible. Of course, again, having supplemental insurance really helps. But I have given up on medicare and use the VA medical services for my health needs. They love me in the VA, cause they can give me great care and charge it off to medicare and my supplemental insurance.

......Bob


37 posted on 01/21/2010 6:47:48 AM PST by Lokibob (When handed lemons...Refuse to sign for them. Life's lemons can't be delivered without a signature.)
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To: Libloather

Looks like Dick Morris was right, all along.


38 posted on 01/21/2010 6:48:39 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Libloather
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/20/AR2010012002599.html

WASHINGTON — Republicans on Wednesday branded the White House deal with Democrats on a budget deficit commission as a “nothing burger” because it wouldn’t require votes on how to stem the red ink.

A tentative agreement would let President Barack Obama name the 18-member bipartisan commission. It would seek a compromise on the tax increases and spending cuts needed to tackle the deficit, which reached $1.4 trillion last year and could climb this year.

(snip)

39 posted on 01/21/2010 6:49:25 AM PST by maggief
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To: resistance

I said the other day “Look for Obama to dissolve congress via executive order”.


40 posted on 01/21/2010 6:49:30 AM PST by listenhillary (FU Cass Sunstein - You are the embodiment of evil)
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To: Daisyjane69

Could you elaborate?


41 posted on 01/21/2010 6:50:43 AM PST by maggief
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To: Reagan69

We have done it to ourselves.

We kept voting in politicians promising government can do the fish and loves trick if we would only vote for them. It works until the bubbles pop.


42 posted on 01/21/2010 6:54:07 AM PST by listenhillary (FU Cass Sunstein - You are the embodiment of evil)
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To: Libloather
There's MORE!

This is DOD bill I think, not obamacare.

Makes little difference as it is a health care issue.

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

Link

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

Link

November 6, 2009 | Rep Buyer abd Rep McKeon

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm Link

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options

Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

43 posted on 01/21/2010 6:54:54 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: maggief

Dick Morris has been saying for a year that Obama will “gut” the established entitlements (SS and Medicare) in favor of benefits for illegal immigrants.

The seniors who rely (and have PAID for) Social Security and Medicare are of no use to Obama. Remember, he’s never had to deal with senior citizen parents, like most of us have.

Illegals turned into voting citizens allow Obama to CHANGE the electorate. He knows we’re pissed and he’s screwed with them. Amnesty gives him the chance to change the angry electorate, adding voters more “grateful” to HIM.

Morris has predicted this for a year; I believe it’s even in his book.


44 posted on 01/21/2010 6:56:21 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: ModelBreaker

SS and medicare would be solvent if the government would just curtail its pork barrel spending and massive money giveaway to agencies, programs and foreign interests that do not benefit America.

To cut and reduce SS for seniors in any election year would be the kiss of death for those who support it.


45 posted on 01/21/2010 6:57:11 AM PST by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: Libloather
NO COLAS for several years, this includes retired Military, disabled Vets, the disabled as well as senior citizens

A trip to the grocery store Tuesday saw cost of food skyrocketing again.

http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/SocialSecurity/2009/20090629-SenCitMayNotGet.htm

Report: Bill would reduce senior care Medicare cuts approved by House may affect access to providers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402597.html

Unions Cut Special Deal on Health Taxes (Healthcare cost for seniors going up to pay for unions)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704281204575003040695279432.html

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=517004 Mayo clinic

Weighing Medical Costs of End-of-Life Care (Money, Death Panels and The Duty to Die)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/health/23ucla.html?_r=1&ref=business&pagewanted=all

Seniors' coverage options dwindle as Medicare Advantage programs close shop

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-advantage_22bus.ART.State.Edition1.3c912a9.html

Screwing the Seniors? AARP to Make Millions Off of Obamacare

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/10/screwing-seniors-aarp-to-make-millions.html

46 posted on 01/21/2010 6:58:04 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Daisyjane69

It is too bad we have had previous presidents establish the policy of granting amnesty in the past.

With the unemployment situation, Obama might find a bit more resistance than the last attempt of amnesty by Bush.


47 posted on 01/21/2010 7:00:52 AM PST by listenhillary (FU Cass Sunstein - You are the embodiment of evil)
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To: Kakaze

Constitutionally speaking, all tax legislation MUST begin in the HOUSE, not the White House either.


48 posted on 01/21/2010 7:02:34 AM PST by Mouton
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To: Libloather
President Obama was hammering out an agreement with Democratic leaders to support a plan to issue an executive order to cut entitlements, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Excellent news, if true. Big if.

49 posted on 01/21/2010 7:02:40 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Daisyjane69

Thanks. I haven’t been following him.


50 posted on 01/21/2010 7:03:05 AM PST by maggief
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