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It's Reconciliation! (Pelosi to use "nuclear option"
NY Daily News ^ | 1/21/10 | Mcaulif

Posted on 01/21/2010 12:42:19 PM PST by pabianice

A well-informed source tells The Mouth Nancy Pelosi is set to announce the House will go the reconciliation route on health care reform.

Of course, that means using a budgetary procedure that requires a simple majority to pass.

It’s still unclear to us precisely what that means would be passed, but possibilities would be creating a national health care exchange and expanding Medicare or Medicaid coverage.

Democrats are caucusing now, so stay tuned.

Update: A second source confirms that Pelosi is presenting a reconciliation plan to the caucus, and making sure they go with something that can actually pass.

Separately, she is meeting with Harry Reid today.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/01/its-reconciliation.html#ixzz0dHWS30CN


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; democrats; healthcare; liberalfascism; nuclearoption; obamacare; pelosi
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1 posted on 01/21/2010 12:42:19 PM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Huh? Isn’t that at odds with her “health care is dead...” remarks?


2 posted on 01/21/2010 12:43:47 PM PST by Pravious
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To: pabianice

But it won’t pass in the senate..


3 posted on 01/21/2010 12:44:14 PM PST by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: pabianice

Interesting...do you all think this is purely Queen Nancy’s doing or is Barry Zero pushing this as well??


4 posted on 01/21/2010 12:44:36 PM PST by NMEwithin
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To: pabianice

Time is running out for the target date SOTU bull shit speech.


5 posted on 01/21/2010 12:44:46 PM PST by boomop1
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To: pabianice

Article was posted this morning. Sounds like Nancy proposed this and her own caucus told her to go take a hike.


6 posted on 01/21/2010 12:44:58 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pabianice

This pig doesn’t listen. The people of America don’t want this POS bill.

Drop it Nancy. Your stupid bill is dead in the water.


7 posted on 01/21/2010 12:44:59 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Pravious

go to the referenced site - the time posted in 0829 AM today - so I believe Pelosi’s “the bill is dead” remarks came after this was posted. But who knows what they will try...I’m sure they will not go quietly!


8 posted on 01/21/2010 12:45:39 PM PST by jen0517
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To: pabianice

I bet this is old.

They have already told her this pig won’t fly.


9 posted on 01/21/2010 12:45:54 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Pravious

The house does not have reconciliation. The Senate does. Pelosi is speaker of the house. Something is confusing here.


10 posted on 01/21/2010 12:46:05 PM PST by Roklok
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To: pabianice

Something’s wrong with this story. The House does everything on simple majority. Isn’t it the Senate that has been pondering the reconciliation process, not the House?


11 posted on 01/21/2010 12:46:08 PM PST by trad_anglican
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To: NMEwithin

Punishment for the for ‘plebs’ for taking Mass. They can’t stand it. They’re going to ‘get back’ at us....any way they can.


12 posted on 01/21/2010 12:46:18 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: pabianice

I am hearing that they will include the “public option” in the reconciliation bill. This could be Christmas in January for Republicans. Where’s the guy with the picture of the train crash at Montparnasse France in 1895?

Remember...whatever is passed via reconciliation, can be repealed via reconciliation.


13 posted on 01/21/2010 12:46:31 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: ken5050

Yes it will , this will only require a majority


14 posted on 01/21/2010 12:47:27 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: pabianice
...but possibilities would be creating a national health care exchange and expanding Medicare or Medicaid coverage.

Boil it down to its essence, the transfer of income to Democrat constituents.

15 posted on 01/21/2010 12:47:30 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Pravious
Huh? Isn’t that at odds with her “health care is dead...” remarks?

Not at all. She said the Senate bill as it stands could not be passed in the House. This means they'll cull elements that both parties can agree on for passage. Others will be added to appropriations bills to make them easier to pass (only 51 votes needed). I've already written my rep (R), knowing this is how they'd proceed. Everything Pelosi and Obama have said since Tuesday (especially his SOTU address scheduled for 1/28) implies this.

16 posted on 01/21/2010 12:47:52 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: Pravious
Huh? Isn’t that at odds with her “health care is dead...” remarks?

Night of the Living Dead Health Care.

Braaaaains... and moneeeeeeey.

The Republicans had better be ready to slice that bill apart with points of order. There are very limited numbers of things that can be in a reconciliation bill, and if the Republicans fight it they should be to make sure that only a remnant of the original bill is up for the final vote.

17 posted on 01/21/2010 12:48:04 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: pabianice

I dont think it will work. Key provisions of this turkey cannot be passed via reconciliation.


18 posted on 01/21/2010 12:48:08 PM PST by freespirited (Proud supporter of the Scott Brown for Senate campaign. One down 59 to go.)
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To: pabianice

Pelosi is in the House.

She cannot decide if the Senate is push it through using reconciliation.


19 posted on 01/21/2010 12:48:33 PM PST by earlJam
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To: pabianice
This is BULLSH*T the US House does not need “reconsiliation” only 218.
20 posted on 01/21/2010 12:48:43 PM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: pabianice

Go the nuclear option route Pelousy and Dirty Reid. It will be fun watching the Mass slaughter in November to your party.


21 posted on 01/21/2010 12:48:44 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: ken5050

Is not reconciliation a procedure of the Senate that by passes the cloture vote?


22 posted on 01/21/2010 12:48:46 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: boomop1
Time is running out for the target date SOTU bull shit speech.

Maybe they can give Li'l Barry a bullfrog and have him show-n-tell with that...?

That's alright, no problem-- I'm here to help...

23 posted on 01/21/2010 12:48:52 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: ken5050


Health Care Be Praised !!!
24 posted on 01/21/2010 12:48:59 PM PST by Scythian
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To: pabianice
Absolute delusion by the axis of evil... Dems will lucky to have 150 seats in Congress after November if they try this.
25 posted on 01/21/2010 12:49:01 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: freekitty
Go ahead, bitch, pull the trigger, but watch for the fall out!!!


26 posted on 01/21/2010 12:49:28 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: pabianice
Every Freeper must remind the RATS currently serving in the House that...

IF IT CAN HAPPEN IN MASSACHUSETTS,IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE!


27 posted on 01/21/2010 12:50:43 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: pabianice

Her Hubris will be her downfall.


28 posted on 01/21/2010 12:51:02 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Roklok
The house does not have reconciliation. The Senate does. Pelosi is speaker of the house. Something is confusing here.

See my post #16. They bury stuff like this in appropriations bills all the time. It doesn't mean 'reconciliation' per se to do that. Also, the Senate can take up what elements they want and run with them. Don't put it passed these people to do this piecemeal. That's been the plan since Tuesday. That's why Obama said he didn't want any vote on healthcare until Scott Brown was seated. That was misdirection.

29 posted on 01/21/2010 12:51:10 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: Pravious
Huh? Isn’t that at odds with her “health care is dead...” remarks?

One would think.

But what is dead is the current Senate and House versions of Obamacare. If they go the reconciliation route they have to draft a new bill meeting the requirements of that process. That bill has to be developed, I would assume, in conjunction with the Senate. The problem Pelosi and Reid have is SCOTT BROWN SYNDROME. It affects a large number of Dems in the House and the Senate who would just like to see this whole Obamacare business put behind them at least until they can, they hope, get re-elected.

So I'm not surprised that Pelosi and Reid are going through the "reconciliation motions" since their base would expect them to do so. But success is hardly assured.

30 posted on 01/21/2010 12:51:43 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Pravious

Yes, this is already outdated information. The thread should probably just be deleted.


31 posted on 01/21/2010 12:51:45 PM PST by jpl
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To: pabianice

Here is what Rep Weiner (D) said about it.
Caution, language!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Yx2m6Nu5A


32 posted on 01/21/2010 12:51:46 PM PST by luv2ndamend (They call themselves greens because they're too yellow to admit they're reds.)
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To: pabianice
they really don't care what we think, do they?

So what will happen if they do succeed in stuffing this down our throats?

33 posted on 01/21/2010 12:52:14 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (denial springs eternal.)
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To: pabianice

She is taking it personally now.. especially with today’s pic on Drudge mocking her.


34 posted on 01/21/2010 12:52:18 PM PST by libh8er
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To: pabianice

Keep the self destruction going Nancy — Full speed ahead !


35 posted on 01/21/2010 12:52:54 PM PST by PMAS
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To: pabianice
Are they doing this because it's the last card they have to play?

or

Because it gives an opportunity for the so call conservative dimrats to vote against it like they should of to begin with so Nancy can save her precious dimrat majority in the House?

36 posted on 01/21/2010 12:53:45 PM PST by thingumbob (Get to work and lets clean up this mess! and (Remember, dead terrorists don't make more terrorists!))
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To: pabianice
They'll have to gut 3/4ths of the bill to do it, and it will precipitate a nuclear winter for the Democrats in November.

I'm all for it! The Republican congress will be veto-proof and can repeal the whole damned thing before it even hits the ground.

37 posted on 01/21/2010 12:54:28 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: pabianice

Lord, how many months before we get rid of this woman?


38 posted on 01/21/2010 12:54:40 PM PST by hoe_cake (a state of limerent consciousness)
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To: pabianice
I don't see how she gets anything through the House now. It barely passed the first time and the Members know voting in favor is a death sentence for anyone from a swing district and probably others.

If they radically cut back to, say, pass portability and ban pre-existing condition clauses, that could pass, but I think they're still in too much denial to go there.

39 posted on 01/21/2010 12:54:56 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: USS Alaska

Yes, I hope they go for it. Each day they waste on HCR versus a real job creation approach (lower taxes and regulation), the worse November will be for them. Just imagine the time used up to hammer out a plan that a majority in both houses can vote on. All the while, strong candidates from the GOP will be announcing for seats of incumbent Democrats. Money will be pouring into those campaigns and Democrats in the House and Senate will be going nuts. I say, “Bring It.”


40 posted on 01/21/2010 12:55:44 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: pabianice

Old news. Her caucus told her to go to Hell.


41 posted on 01/21/2010 12:56:20 PM PST by Soul Seeker (?)
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To: NRG1973

But O’Dumbo can always veto the repeal...


42 posted on 01/21/2010 12:56:43 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: pabianice

Holy !@#$%^&!!


43 posted on 01/21/2010 12:58:01 PM PST by dila813
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To: pabianice

There is an element in the media and the rest of the left that think people are turning against them because the commies aren’t moving fast enough. Even though a majority of people don’t want mandatory health insurance, Democrats think voters are mad at them for not pushing it through. It’s stupid-left-think, part of liberal illness.


44 posted on 01/21/2010 12:58:25 PM PST by pallis
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To: US Navy Vet
"This is BULLSH*T the US House does not need “reconsiliation” only 218."

There is a confusion of terms. First, the Budget Reconciliation process is NOT the same as the "nuclear option" that is available in the Senate.

If Reid and Pelosi get together and want to ram through something using the Budget Reconciliation process, then substantial changes will need to be made to both the House and Senate bills, due to the limitations of Reconciliation as specified in the Congressional Budget Act of 1974.

If the Dems want to employ the "nuclear option", they would take the House bill to the Senate floor, and through parliamentary chicanery, they would ram through the bill by doing away with the filibuster, and passing it on a simple majority vote. I SERIOUSLY doubt that they could even get a simple majority to engage in such an undermining of the spirit of the Senate.

I also don't think that the Budget Reconciliation process is going to help them that much, again because of the limitation of the CBA of 1974 - but it is a possibility that they could get some things passed - like medicare expansion - using reconciliation.

Given the results of Tuesday's election, I doubt that Pelosi has 218 votes for such a maneuver, and I don't think Reid can scare up 50 votes in his chamber, FWIW.

45 posted on 01/21/2010 12:59:19 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: GraceG

Not soon enough


46 posted on 01/21/2010 12:59:22 PM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: pabianice

Hate to say it but it might just be the spark that starts the Revolution...if they ignore the will of the people, they will suffer the consequences...it will be on their heads...


47 posted on 01/21/2010 1:00:59 PM PST by matginzac
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To: pabianice

I thought “reconciliation” was a procedure used in the Senate, not the House. Am I mistaken?


48 posted on 01/21/2010 1:01:33 PM PST by clintonh8r (Nobody's 'bot!)
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To: USS Alaska

49 posted on 01/21/2010 1:01:49 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: pabianice

Nonsense. Whoever said this has no idea how reconciliation works. First of all it can only be used in the Senate (the House would be impossible) and since it pertains to Budget Bills only, EVERY SINGLE mention of non-budget policy would have to be eliminated with the rest being voted on and requiring 60 votes to pass. Care to guess how long that would take in a 2000+ page bill?


50 posted on 01/21/2010 1:04:36 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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