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Bible references on rifle sights used in Afghanistan to be removed
timesonline.co.uk ^ | Jan. 22, 2010 | Foreign Staff

Posted on 01/22/2010 3:11:15 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

A defence contractor will voluntarily stop stamping references to Bible verses on combat rifle sights made for the US military.

In a statement released yesterday, Trijicon said that it is also providing free modification kits to remove the references from the telescopic sights already in use. The Marine Corps has purchased more than 200,000 Trijicon sights and the Army has bought about 100,000. The British Army is also using them in Afghanistan.

The references to Bible passages raised concerns that they break a government rule that bans proselytising by American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

A spokesman for US Central Command said initially that the Trijicon sights did not violate the ban and compared the references on the sights to the "In God We Trust" inscription printed on US currency.

On Thursday, however, General David Petraeus, Central Command’s chief officer, called the references “disturbing".

“This is a serious concern to me and the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan,” he told an audience at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bible; christian; trijicon; wot

1 posted on 01/22/2010 3:11:16 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Just in case the commies need to shoot some instigators.


2 posted on 01/22/2010 3:12:26 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

...to be replaced with “destroy islam”


3 posted on 01/22/2010 3:12:35 PM PST by Eddie01 (Billy was a mountain, Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
PC A$$holes I don't mean Trijicon
4 posted on 01/22/2010 3:14:18 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How much is that going to cost??


5 posted on 01/22/2010 3:14:37 PM PST by okokie
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Should help my new Trijicon AGOC with JN8:12 appreciate as a collector’s item!


6 posted on 01/22/2010 3:17:25 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: broken_arrow1

I wonder if they ever made any with Psalm 109:8. I’d take one.


7 posted on 01/22/2010 3:19:33 PM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Screw them. Make them explain how something written on a rifle scope (or any other part) is proselytizing. When they do, thell them it’s not good enough (and hint how it will affect aid money to them).


8 posted on 01/22/2010 3:20:36 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; xzins; blue-duncan; wagglebee

To be replaced with a picture of Elmer Fudd with the caption “Kill the Wahabbi”


9 posted on 01/22/2010 3:21:05 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: broken_arrow1

Yes you know have a pre Bible nullification model.

Anger over PC BS self edited.


10 posted on 01/22/2010 3:21:50 PM PST by mcshot (Son of Liberty.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Wow, the last thing one would see before blowing someone’s brains out, would be a bible verse. Sure would be ironic if it resulted in a miss and an innocent got shot.


11 posted on 01/22/2010 3:22:24 PM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I read last night that this company has been puting these codes on the scopes for 2 decades. Who besides the shooter can see these codes? Now zer0 is CIC and they have to take them off the scopes.. Yeah right!!!!!!!


12 posted on 01/22/2010 3:24:16 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Can they still dip the tips of the bullets in bacon fat before loading them into magazines?


13 posted on 01/22/2010 3:29:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
A defence contractor will voluntarily stop stamping references to Bible verses on combat rifle sights made for the US military.

They need to seriously rethink that position.

14 posted on 01/22/2010 3:34:22 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I will gladly swap my EOTech 512 for that ACOG sir.... ‡


15 posted on 01/22/2010 3:34:23 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

just stamp it on the inside


16 posted on 01/22/2010 3:40:20 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

My bet is that no one in Iraq or Afghanistan would have had a complaint or even noticed until this was stirred up by the MSM.


17 posted on 01/22/2010 3:43:34 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
On Thursday, however, General David Petraeus, Central Command’s chief officer, called the references “disturbing".

What is "disturbing" is the Pentagon's reaction.
Where's the proselytizing?
Frankly - I think 'proselytizing' would be a very good thing. We aren't going to change anything if we don't change the foundation. And building up regimes that still adhere to a book that essentially tells its followers to either convert, enslave, or kill 'non-islamics' ... seems a bit 'short-sided'.
But my opinions aside - where is the proselytizing? The letters and numbers are virtually invisible, and someone would need a Bible to cross-reference the verses (let alone interpret what the numbers and letters meant)...

What a crock... PC is going to be the death of Western Civilization...
I rank this one up there with General Casey's sputterings that he essentially preferred American soldiers being killed than to risk offending budding jihadists in his ranks...

18 posted on 01/22/2010 3:47:40 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: The Great RJ

The DUmmies were flipping out about this last week. I think some guy who runs an atheist group within the military was the genesis with some breathless reporting by ABC News.


19 posted on 01/22/2010 3:48:55 PM PST by Callahan
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To: NormsRevenge

They should spread a rumor about doing exactly that

THen the Govt can issue a press release saying they do not engage in such activity and they never do it again, and any officer who does it is really mean and nasty and they should stop it

that will get them thinking


20 posted on 01/22/2010 3:50:37 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
They've probably got thousands of them in inventory that are now relegated to “surplus” status.

Wonder if they'll have a sale? I'd like to help them out but I'd have to buy another rifle that fits underneath it. Hmmmm......

21 posted on 01/22/2010 3:58:33 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Yea, though I walk through the valley of darkness, I will fear no evil, because I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley.


22 posted on 01/22/2010 3:59:10 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Callahan

That’s right. It wasn’t some idiot muzzie who kicked up this fuss, it was MICHAEL WEINSTEIN, from the very dishonstely named, “Military Religious Freedom Foundation”. http://wwww.mrff.org

He was a USAF J.A.G. puke who worked —of all people— for Ronald Reagan, then made some bucks in the private sector suing folks for Ross Perot. Then he retired at from 2006 and has for the past 4 years been waging Secular Jihad against men who treacherously fight muslim folks who throw acid on girls and say Jews are monkeys (don’t ask me).

Sounds crazy huh? He’s overweight, ugly, angry, and other bad stuff —things you can see from the news broadcast clips he has at his website:

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/weinstein2.html

Yes, while we are out trying to head off armageddon or widespread terror, this guy choses to focus on stuff that’s written on rifles. Yes.


23 posted on 01/22/2010 4:05:27 PM PST by gaijin
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To: stuartcr
the last thing one would see before blowing someone’s brains out, would be a bible verse. Sure would be ironic if it resulted in a miss and an innocent got shot.

What would be ironic about that? And the last thing you see before pulling the trigger on someone's 'brains' would be his head not the Bible verse.

24 posted on 01/22/2010 4:05:59 PM PST by xone
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’d like to see the count of how many soldiers using the sights will actually request the modification kits to remove the verses. If they have a say in the matter.


25 posted on 01/22/2010 4:09:54 PM PST by hdbc (1/20/13 End of an Error.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hey...as long as we don’t turn in folks like Hassan...where’s the problem!!


26 posted on 01/22/2010 4:10:32 PM PST by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Eddie01
..to be replaced with “destroy islam”

or "Kill the Press"

27 posted on 01/22/2010 4:11:10 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

My thoughts exactly. PC the military and us to death. The man’s father, who started the business, did this years ago. I wonder who ran mouth?


28 posted on 01/22/2010 5:25:48 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: xone

It would be ironic in that you were going to shoot an anemy after reading from a religious tome, which would infer a book of peace, but then you would kill an innocent. I realise one wouldn’t actually see the verse when aiming, I was speaking more figuratively than literally.


29 posted on 01/24/2010 12:10:42 PM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr

The Bible has no prohibition on honorable service up to and including killing. Killing in war is peacemaking for the US. If you missed and killed an ‘innocent’, as there was no intent, there is no condemnation. There is no irony possible for a Christian soldier in this context.


30 posted on 01/24/2010 12:45:21 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

It seems that we have different views as to what is ironic...

ironic ain’t it.


31 posted on 01/25/2010 7:56:21 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr

The difference between belief and not.


32 posted on 01/25/2010 8:39:29 AM PST by xone
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To: xone

I agree. Our beliefs, I’m sure, differ.


33 posted on 01/26/2010 9:43:17 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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