Posted on 01/22/2010 5:14:56 PM PST by ColdOne
For all that our boys have fought and died for, we’re now giving legitimacy to the same enemy we went there defeat? Imagine how our troops overseas must be feeling about the news that their Commander in Chief wants to legitimize the very enemy they’re trying to defeat. Sad…
NY Times - The United States recognizes that the Taliban are now part of the political fabric of Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said here on Friday, but the group must be prepared to play a legitimate role before it can reconcile with the Afghan government.
That means, Mr. Gates said, that the Taliban must
(Excerpt) Read more at gatewaypundit.firstthings.com ...
This man is just Awful...
This has been the Kenya Muslim’s plan all along. Increase troop strength in Afghanistan. Claim that Al Qaeda is the enemy, not the Taliban. Declare Al Qaeda defeated and claim victory. Withdraw troops and install the Taliban as at least a partial solution in a coalition government.
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Alas, Gates sacked the top guys, the junior officers were scared witless and gave Hasan ratings he didn't deserve, and the rest is history.
So, were you referring to Gates or to Goober? A good case can be made with either one that "they" are part of the Taliban counteroffensive on the domestic front and cannot be trusted.
Plant food is the only role for Taliban.
For introduction in the House Judiciary Committee by the Republic Majority, in January 2011.
Disgusting! Why are we there if we’re going to give the Taliban a seat at the table. And where are the feminists on this little deal? Huh?
Right...they’re going to compromise with people who THROW ACID on girls who study or dress immodestly...
IS THERE NO BOTTOM TO HIS NAIVETE...??
It’s conventional wisdom that when one finds themself stuck in a real deep hole, it’s a good idea to stop digging.
But, Obama and his ilk have no wisdom, and I think they are heading toward making it all the way to China. They must be the saddest and most idiotic bunch of all time.
How is this not officially a surrender?
He truly is delusional....
This is the equivalent of declaring Methodists to be part of the American political fabric. It is true. Methodists did not rise to power and destroy the society but the analogy still holds.
It is the task of the Afghan elders to bring the Taliban to heel. It is the task of the allied forces to make the place safe so the elders can gain control and act.
I heard tonight that the Afghan government was outlawing the use of amonium nitrate fertilizer. Obviously its because its being used in bombs but I think outlawing its use is going to backfire because it will make it even harder to farm.
If the farmers can’t farm, who are they going to turn to for a source of income?
WTF_ Over ?
First step toward partition? There is a large chasm between the primitive tribesmen in the ‘countryside’ and the ‘civilized’ part in the North.
And which legitimate role would that be? Beating women and burning their schools down? Blowing up priceless, historic Buddhist carvings? Stoning people to death? Beheading their political enemies? The bad judgment of this administration is criminal and dangerous. How can we even be thinking of treating these creatures like they’re “legitimate”?
Thank You I usually check it.. I thought it worked ... thank you again.
Spilled milk.
It is his plan. A few months ago I read in an India newspaper the administrations plan is to give money to the Taliban to put down their weapons. Buy them off.. Yeah this will work!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a fool
He's focused IMO.
Everything he has done to date since he has been in the Oval Office has promoted "CHANGE" for America as we know it.
Code Pink post. I read that.. This man is just awful.. Anything else I say may get me in trouble!
That man says nothing that his boss hasnt preapproved...
Damn them all...
If this were 1944 he’d be saying what...that the NAZI’s would need to be part of the new Germany?
What a FREAKING - COMPLETE - FOOL!!
This man Obummer is one of them. He will have us under Sharia Law.
We better wake up before its to late.
Join the Brown revolution.
This is simply unbelievable.
Oh wait, he doesn't need to.
Ugh! I’m about to lose my lunch!
Any comment from NOW yet?
Of interest:
There is nothing called the ‘moderate Taliban’
The Times of India
12 April 2009, 12:44am IST
If necessity is the mother of invention then politics is often the father. Barack Obama has invented a phrase that did not exist on January 20, the day he became president. Anxious to win a war through the treasury rather than the Pentagon, he has discovered something called the “moderate Taliban” in Afghanistan. Joe Biden, his vice president, has found the mathematical coordinates of this oxymoron: only 5% of the Taliban are “extremists”.
Welcome to Obama’s first big mistake.
The war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not simply against some bearded men and beardless boys who have been turned into suicide missionaries. The critical conflict is against the ideology of a chauvinistic theocracy that seeks to remould the Muslim world into a regressive region from which it can assault every aspect of modernity, whether that be in political space or the social sphere.
Washington has a single dimension definition of “moderate”: anyone who stops an active, immediate war against the US is a “moderate”. Let me introduce him to a couple of “moderate Taliban”. They are now world famous, having been on every national and international news channel these past few days, stars of a video clip from Swat. Two of them had pinned down a 17-year-old girl called Chand Bibi, while a third, his face shrouded, lashed her with a whip 37 times on suspicion of being seen with a man who was not her father or brother.
Obama should record the screams of Chand Bibi and play them to his daughters as the “moderate” music to which he wants to dance in his Afghan war.
These Taliban are “moderate” by the norms of the Obama Doctrine: they have come to a deal with America through Islamabad. Pakistani troops are not engaged in their medieval haven, nor are American Drones bombing their homes. All that remains, one presumes, is that they are placed on the Pentagon payroll as insurance of their ceasefire.
Perhaps, in their desperate search for moderation, Obama and Islamabad will promote the denial being manipulated into public discourse. The unbearable Swat-lashing video is now described as fake. It would be nice to know the names of the actors who played such a convincing part in the filming of this ‘fake’. Chand Bibi has “denied” any such incident. Sure: but was any doctor sent to check the scars?
Such compromise with ‘moderation’ has also taken place next door, in Afghanistan, under the watchful eye of American ally Hamid Karzai. He has just signed a family law bill which compels Afghan women to take permission from their husbands before going to a doctor, seeking education, or getting a job. The husband has become complete master of the bedroom. Custody of children can only go to fathers or grandfathers; women have no rights. A member of Afghanistan’s upper house, Senator Humaira Namati, has called this law “worse than during the Taliban (government). Anyone who spoke out was accused of being against Islam”. It makes no difference to the Taliban, of course, that the Quran expressly forbids Muslim men from forcing decisions on their wives “against their will”. Karzai’s justification is the usual one: politics. He wanted the support of theocrats in the election scheduled for August this year. Under pressure, there is talk of a review but no one is sure what that means.
If it’s democracy, it must be “moderate”, right?
One can understand a post-Iraq America’s reluctance towards wars that seem straight out of Kipling. But we in the region have to live with the political consequences of superpower intervention, and the casual legitimacy that Obama is offering to a destructive ideology will create blowback that spreads far beyond the geography of “Afpak”.
Benazir Bhutto and the ISI did not create the Taliban in the winter of 1994 for war against America. Its purpose was to defeat fractious Afghan warlords, and establish a totalitarian regime that would equate Afghanistan’s strategic interests to Pakistan’s. The ISI conceived an “Afpak” long before the idea reached the outer rim of Washington’s thinking. Pakistan worked assiduously to widen the Taliban’s legitimacy and would have drawn America into the fold through the oil-pipeline siren song if Osama bin Laden had not blown every plan apart. In some essentials, things have not changed. Pakistan’s interests still lie in a pro-Islamabad Taliban regime in Kabul. The “moderation” theory is a ploy to provide war-weary America with an exit point. India’s anxieties will be offered a smile in public and a shrug in private.
History is uncomfortable with neat closures. Neither the Taliban nor Pakistan are what they were in 1994: the former
is much stronger, the latter substantially weaker. The fall of Kabul to the Taliban this time could be a curtain raiser to the siege of Islamabad.
There is nothing called a moderate lash, or backlash, President Obama.
I wonder it the new MA Senator and others will still praise the President’s position on Afghanistan.
Thank you for the link..... I just have to wonder, this guy is bad news.
I am only part way through the threads tonight. I believe my head is exploding.
Well noted. To me it is the overall picture.. One thing alone may not be big (well yes it is) But need to be fair , I agree.
OGBSM!!!
Here is the link
http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/08/petraus-mcchrystal-pick-brit-as-taliban-negotiator.html
Insanity.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
President Ronald Reagan
Change for the feminists with Obama: in with the Taleban. Oh, ok, I get it, the game of their team is to get out of murder by being able to sing on top of minarets or on the top 50 miss porn channel noisiest orgasm.
The insane can do careful, even meticulous, planning.
In case you and I missed it.
...the Taliban are now part of the political fabric of Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said here on Friday, but the group must be prepared to play a legitimate role before it can reconcile with the Afghan government.Thanks ColdOne.
Zero is a muslim, what else would you expect.
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