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Teacher in sex case an apparent suicide (Boy Scout volunteer and 20-year National Guardsman)
http://www.mcall.com ^ | Jan 2010 | By Kevin Amerman

Posted on 01/22/2010 6:30:38 PM PST by Maelstorm

A former Bethlehem middle school teacher whose nature program for seventh-graders won national acclaim apparently killed himself Thursday about an hour before he was scheduled to plead guilty to sexually assaulting a teenage boy, a charge that shocked the community and cost him his career.

Gregory G. Ritter, 45, a longtime Boy Scout volunteer and 20-year National Guardsman, was found dead next to a picnic table at the apartment complex in the Poconos where he recently moved, according to police, who said he had a gunshot wound to the head.

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Mmmm this is certainly a study. They say they don't recruit...
1 posted on 01/22/2010 6:30:39 PM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

Couldn’t get the page to load. However, I would be interested to know if this “self inflicted” gun shot wound was in the back of his head?


2 posted on 01/22/2010 6:35:36 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: Maelstorm

What a sad, sad story. This guy was probably a good guy, but he allowed his sexual appetite to grow and overcome and enslave him. It appears that he took his own life out of guilt over what he did, so he obviously had a conscience.

I’m sorry for the victim, but I’m also sorry for the perp who’s live was ruined by the sin that enslaved him.


3 posted on 01/22/2010 6:36:00 PM PST by Obadiah (Ramirez, we're oscar mike! Stay frosty.)
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To: Maelstorm
I for one feel very sad for this man.......he gave into evil and he couldn't stand to face what he had done.....

he probably was very humiliated, which is a sign of a conscience....

May God have mercy on his soul, bless his family and his victim(s)

4 posted on 01/22/2010 6:36:15 PM PST by cherry
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To: Maelstorm
I like this part...

"Rotondo said he never saw Ritter display inappropriate behavior toward students. Rotondo said when his son was in middle school, he enrolled in the Monagacci program, something Rotondo would have never allowed if he thought Ritter was a predator.

''He didn't have a family and teaching was his life,'' Rotondo said."

A 45 year old man heavily involved with boys...no family...nope, no signals there. You'd think someone who loved children so much would have had some of his own by now. If only they had some way of knowing...
5 posted on 01/22/2010 6:37:33 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Maelstorm

> After his arrest last Feb. 19, Ritter was permanently barred from the Boy Scouts and suspended by the Bethlehem Area School District.

Nothing like Due Process ay. Disappointing from the Boy Scouts — they should have instead issued him an administrative suspension pending the outcome of his trial.


6 posted on 01/22/2010 6:43:12 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Spike Knotts

BINGO


7 posted on 01/22/2010 6:43:16 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Maelstorm

He won’t do it again, lol. Either act.


8 posted on 01/22/2010 6:44:04 PM PST by Gapplega
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To: Obadiah
I’m also sorry for the perp who’s live was ruined by the sin that enslaved him.

Its a good point that sin entangles everyone. In this case the degree is obviously horrible. Fornication is of the type most toxic. And without repentance there is only (in his case) damnation.

9 posted on 01/22/2010 6:44:58 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Boy Scouts doesn’t owe anyone due process.

If your neighbor was arrested for child molestation, would you let your kid still play over at his house, even if he hadn’t been convicted yet?

Neither would I.

Were he cleared of all charges and I found the case believable, I would.


10 posted on 01/22/2010 6:45:23 PM PST by Persevero
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To: Spike Knotts

> A 45 year old man heavily involved with boys...no family...nope, no signals there. You’d think someone who loved children so much would have had some of his own by now. If only they had some way of knowing...

There is nothing in the story that suggests that any case had been proven against Ritter, or that his guilt had been established at all. And it hasn’t been established that he committed suicide, either.

Given the absence of any established facts, it’s a bit rough to destroy the man’s Character, particularly when he cannot defend himself.

This would not be the first time a single man had been railroaded on charges of molesting kids. The Peter Ellis case is one example of many that spring to mind.


11 posted on 01/22/2010 6:50:50 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Persevero

> Boy Scouts doesn’t owe anyone due process.

Actually, they do.

> If your neighbor was arrested for child molestation, would you let your kid still play over at his house, even if he hadn’t been convicted yet?

No, I would give the neighbor an “administrative suspension” pending the outcome of his/her trial. During that time my kids would not be permitted over to his/her place.

I would not “bar them for life” on the mere basis of an arrest. Cops can and do get it wrong, and it happens frequently.

And people can and do get railroaded thru false accusations. Happens all the time. The Peter Ellis case is one famous example.


12 posted on 01/22/2010 6:57:38 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Maelstorm

‘He never admitted guilt to me,’’ Powell said. ‘’There was a plea offered to him, but unfortunately we’ll never know his decision.’’

Hope it is not a case of false accusation for a petty grievance.


13 posted on 01/22/2010 7:09:40 PM PST by the_daug
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Boy Scouts doesn’t owe anyone due process. Actually, they do.

Say what? Boy Scout leader is not a paid position, he doesent earn his living from it.

Let me see if I got this right; you want him put on "administrative leave" from a job that doesent pay anything, as opposed to having to have to apply all over agin? Nutso

The SCOTUS ruled the BSA can associate with whomever they want, and set their own rules..You know, you sound like a guvvie.

14 posted on 01/22/2010 7:11:10 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Maelstorm

At least he knew what to do when you screw up THIS BAD


15 posted on 01/22/2010 7:13:07 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Maelstorm

Sure am glad no pic of him has been posted and people writing “Not Guilty”!!!!!!!!!!!!


16 posted on 01/22/2010 7:14:41 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Put down the crack pipe, and step away from the keyboard.

You are on a conservative forum.

Your assertion that a private organization must delegate whatever procedures it operates by to the government is incompatible with the right to assemble.

The article did not say that the scouts did not examine the nature of the evidence. Nor should the scouts be forcing any other victims they discovered into the public limelight, those victims if any are children. I assume this was the procedure, as it is in any organization that deals with children in this day and age.

While only the government can deprive the man of liberty, the Scouts have a responsibility to keep the safety and security of the children in their care paramount. The wishes and comforts of the adult staff are and should be secondary.


17 posted on 01/22/2010 7:19:58 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“> After his arrest last Feb. 19, Ritter was permanently barred from the Boy Scouts and suspended by the Bethlehem Area School District.”

Don’t liberals want these types around Boy Scouts? How sick.


18 posted on 01/22/2010 8:01:47 PM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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To: Obadiah; cherry

He could have succumbed to guilt or succumbed to the fact that his love of being around young boys was about to be terminated, something he could not live without.


19 posted on 01/22/2010 8:05:34 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: Maelstorm
Ritter... sent lewd text messages to the boy after the encounters. They were intercepted by the boy's mother, sparking the police investigation.
A person with daily prayer, regular research and good friends will direct his or her sexual urges ethically before age 45. This proves that homosexuality is a compulsion that is not normal, focuses on adolescents, and should never be approved by a community.
20 posted on 01/22/2010 8:33:59 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: whatisthetruth

While a suicide to avoid the process certainly suggests guilt, it’s perhaps important to remember that crimes of a sexual nature carry with them the assumption of guilt— forever.

If somebody is accused of stealing items from a store and is later aquitted of the charges, their reputation can be rebuilt. But somebody accused of a sexual crime against a child, especially, will for the rest of their lives be tainted and suspect. If they really didn’t do it... it just doesn’t matter to anyone.

Sexual crimes are different. The whole “presumption of innocence” is nonsense. People presume guilt on sex crimes.

So... now we’ll probably never know really, for sure. Suicide sure makes him look guilty. The suicide being the way out for a tortured soul. But a depressed man that’s now seen his whole future destroyed and with no way to recover his life... might also be suicidal.

Anyway... another .02 for the discussion.


21 posted on 01/22/2010 8:37:10 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Maelstorm
allegedly sent lewd text messages to the boy after the encounters. They were intercepted by the boy's mother, sparking the police investigation.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hm?....No mention of a father in this boy's life.

There are school predator stories in the news almost daily. Where is the media outrage about this as there was with the Catholic Church?

22 posted on 01/22/2010 8:39:04 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Ramius
allegedly sent lewd text messages to the boy after the encounters. They were intercepted by the boy's mother, sparking the police investigation.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There were text messages. Unless someone had access to his phone, they likely came from this teacher. The article doesn't give specifics about how many or how often the boy was texted.

23 posted on 01/22/2010 8:41:42 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: wintertime

I don’t know. I wasn’t speaking to the facts in this particular case, whatever they might be. This guy might have been guilty, or not, but I was talking about sex crime cases in the larger context.


24 posted on 01/22/2010 8:51:16 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: MrEdd

> Put down the crack pipe, and step away from the keyboard.

Mind your manners.

> You are on a conservative forum.

I am well aware that I am on a Conservative forum. Conservatives AND Boy Scouts — more than most people — should be concerned with Due Process, particularly when it is denied. If we don’t then we earn the “reactionary and “lynch mob” labels that often gets thrown at us.

> Your assertion that a private organization must delegate whatever procedures it operates by to the government is incompatible with the right to assemble.

I didn’t make that assertion so don’t put words into my mouth. Observing Natural Justice and Fair Play is not a “delegation to the government”. But it *is* a sensible governance principle for volunteer organizations.

Every volunteer organization — especially reputable ones like the Boy Scouts — have an obligation to their Volunteers to treat them fairly. Volunteers are, by far and away, their most valuable assets.

If they do not, they will quickly find that their Volunters leave, and their other valuable assets — their donations, their reputation — rapidly evaporates.

> While only the government can deprive the man of liberty, the Scouts have a responsibility to keep the safety and security of the children in their care paramount.

The safety of children not preclude the fair treatment of Volunteers. An administrative leave pending the outcome of trial would be both appropriate and adequate to ensure both.

> The wishes and comforts of the adult staff are and should be secondary.

They come 1 and 2 in a very close race: children first volunteers second. No volunteers, no programs, no Boy Scouts.


25 posted on 01/22/2010 9:18:22 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

You don’t kill yourself because you are innocent.


26 posted on 01/22/2010 9:20:55 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Maelstorm

Now, if only that OTHER Ritter pervert were to off himself, we would be just fine.


27 posted on 01/22/2010 9:27:58 PM PST by klute
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I didn’t make that assertion so don’t put words into my mouth.

Bull crap.

You LieHard are flat out a liar.

On what evidence do you assert that the boyscouts did not follow a process before banning our little self eliminator?

This was you Nothing like Due Process ay You personally infer the Boyscouts made no investigation. If you can produce no evidence that the boyscouts made no internal investigation then yes, you are making an unfounded allegation and therefore... full of crap - and a hypocrit as well.

Period.

28 posted on 01/22/2010 9:29:58 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Nonstatist

> Say what? Boy Scout leader is not a paid position, he doesent earn his living from it.

All the more reason to treat him fairly, because he’s a Volunteer. No volunteers, no Boy Scout Leaders, no programs, no Boy Scouts.

Volunteers are the Boy Scouts’ most valuable assets. As an organization they owe their Volunteers Due Process and Fair Play.

Remuneration does not even play into the equation.

> Let me see if I got this right; you want him put on “administrative leave” from a job that doesent pay anything, as opposed to having to have to apply all over agin? Nutso

“Administrative leave” assumes neither innocence nor guilt, but still prevents him from participating as a Volunteer, pending the outcome of his trial.

That is perfectly fair: nobody could possibly object to that.

Note I said “Administrative Leave” not “Paid Administrative Leave” — there is no requirement to reimburse someone in order to grant them leave.

> The SCOTUS ruled the BSA can associate with whomever they want, and set their own rules..

I frankly don’t care what your SCOTUS says, tho’ I agree in general with the BSA’s right to free association.

Just because your SCOTUS has set a minimum legal standard does not mean that standard constitutes good governance for a Volunteer organization.

> You know, you sound like a guvvie.

I’m not a “guvvie” — whatever that is — but I *am* the chairman and founder of a registered Charitable Trust and I *do* sit on three other charitable Boards of Trustees and I *have* taken a close and direct interest into the governance of all these Charitable Organizations because, as a Board Member I am cleanly “on the hook” legally and financially if I don’t.

Those are my credentials in this area: how about you?


29 posted on 01/22/2010 9:30:07 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: AppyPappy

> You don’t kill yourself because you are innocent.

What if you were innocent and disgraced, with no way to clear your name and everybody you ever cared about assuming your guilt?

I don’t think you can draw any conclusions on innocence-or-guilt based on the fellow’s suicide. Suicide is seldom as straightforward as that. And not everyone that commits suicide is “guilty” of something.


30 posted on 01/22/2010 9:33:21 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: MrEdd

> You LieHard are flat out a liar.

And you are a BlowHard and a coward and a jumped-up prat.

> This was you Nothing like Due Process ay You personally infer the Boyscouts made no investigation.

You said that:

>> > Your assertion that a private organization must delegate whatever procedures it operates by to the government

I did not make that assertion. I said nothign about the government, or delegating any powers to the government.

What’s more, even in Obama’s twisted version of the United States, your Government is not the same as your Courts. They are quite separate powers, and so they should be.

And yes, your Volunteer organizations are already subservient to the Courts. They always have been. Everyone is — that is why they are courts. Even in Texas.

So now, having been unnecessarily rude to me perhaps you should feel rather foolish, too.


31 posted on 01/22/2010 9:42:17 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

No.

Contrary to your personal overarching government nanny state desires, the citizenry is not subservient to the government in every matter.

And freedom of association is guaranteed in the constitution no matter how much you personally express your disgust at that fact.

No, private social organizations don’t need government supervision to investigate a members behavior and expel them from their ranks.


32 posted on 01/22/2010 10:11:44 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Ramius
Tortured soul? Be mindful he didn't commit suicide until he was caught, chances are he would've continued this relationship with the kid for as long as who knows.... and who knows how many others there were before this one.

Tortured because he was living a secret devious life, or tortured because he was caught and couldn't face the shock and disappointment of all the kids and parents who probably thought the world of him.

33 posted on 01/22/2010 10:35:38 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: AppyPappy

I agree with you. Suicide is the coward’s way out and a means to inflict more pain on others around you. I had a school teacher try to molest me once. Parents should always bear in mind that teachers have extraordinary access to children.


34 posted on 01/22/2010 10:36:04 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
> You LieHard are flat out a liar.

And you are a BlowHard and a coward and a jumped-up prat.

And you are both empty headed animal food trough wipers!

35 posted on 01/22/2010 10:38:41 PM PST by murdoog ("Aim high. Shoot straight. Praise the Lord. Audit the FED." Gary North)
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To: whatisthetruth

Perhaps. Or maybe not.


36 posted on 01/22/2010 10:38:43 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

The replies to you after your sober response to this case, and I’m sorry... serve at least to prove my point that presumption of innocence goes right out the window in sex cases.

Hang in there. :-)


37 posted on 01/22/2010 10:43:48 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

Also consider his life if found guilty would involve prison time, sex offender status, would lose all his career positions, teacher, Boy Scout volunteer, 20 year National Guardsman, his life would’ve been all but over anyway. Unfortunately suicide only means he’s going to straight to hell now without any hope for redemption.


38 posted on 01/22/2010 10:56:59 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: Ramius

(grin!) Thanks.


39 posted on 01/22/2010 11:33:03 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: MrEdd

> Contrary to your personal overarching government nanny state desires, the citizenry is not subservient to the government in every matter.

Tell the Judge the next time you’re in the dock that you don’t have to pay attention to him or his Court. I’m sure he’ll treat you sympathetically.


40 posted on 01/22/2010 11:36:43 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: whatisthetruth

> Tortured because he was living a secret devious life, or tortured because he was caught and couldn’t face the shock and disappointment of all the kids and parents who probably thought the world of him.

Or possibly tortured because he was a man whose reputation was ruined and his life was in tatters, even though innocent.

I can imagine that the stress of facing charges such as those would be extremely hard to cope with. The stigma alone would weigh pretty heavily, even on an innocent man. Or prehaps especially on an innocent man.


41 posted on 01/22/2010 11:42:10 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: whatisthetruth

> Unfortunately suicide only means he’s going to straight to hell now without any hope for redemption.

As often as not, suicide is the result of a severe mental illness — often clinical depression. I don’t know whether God punishes the ill with Hellfire: I doubt it.


42 posted on 01/22/2010 11:45:14 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
This guy was not innocent, the mother charged that her son apparently had received lewd text messages from him, I'm sure that could've been verified before they accused him of anything, and I'm sure the boy must've said some pretty damning things to add legitimacy to the sexual assault charges, altho it sounds like the boy seemed to be a willing participant but still a 45 year old and a 14 year old, isn't that pedophilia? Add to that the guy was not married and had no family. Why not?
43 posted on 01/22/2010 11:52:37 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: whatisthetruth

> This guy was not innocent, the mother charged that her son apparently had received lewd text messages from him,

Nobody has ever been falsely accused of child molestery, ay. Google ‘”Peter Ellis” +Christchurch’ and havea good read — it happens all the time.

> I’m sure that could’ve been verified before they accused him of anything,

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t.

> and I’m sure the boy must’ve said some pretty damning things to add legitimacy to the sexual assault charges,

So he should be convicted before a trial on a 14 year old boy’s hearsay? You’ve said he’s “not innocent” and the only way that can be determined fairly is with a trial.

> altho it sounds like the boy seemed to be a willing participant but still a 45 year old and a 14 year old, isn’t that pedophilia?

Only if found guilty. Pedophilia, possibly even statutory rape depending on local laws.

> Add to that the guy was not married and had no family. Why not?

Why should that matter to guilt or innocence? Some folk just don’t dig getting married. I know a few guys like that. That doesn’t mean that they are pedophiles.


44 posted on 01/23/2010 12:01:23 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
But the 5th Commandment states clearly "THOU SHALT NOT KILL (MURDER)" and that includes even yourself. Any person that murders another can be said to be suffering from mental illness, mental illness is only caused by sin, a person's continued rejection of GOD. We all suffer from varying degrees of mental illness (sin).

Ritter was 45, so he was rejecting God for 45 years, finally breaking the 5th Commandment on his way down to hell. If you live a life without God, then taking your life will be no big deal to you. So you think God should reward this guy into heaven's embrace after all is said and done?

45 posted on 01/23/2010 12:05:38 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: whatisthetruth

> mental illness is only caused by sin, a person’s continued rejection of GOD.

What rot.

That’s like saying that cancer is only caused by sin, a person’s continued rejection of GOD.


46 posted on 01/23/2010 12:12:25 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: whatisthetruth

> So you think God should reward this guy into heaven’s embrace after all is said and done?

What I think and what you think luckily have no bearing on this matter. God decides whom He will reward with heaven’s embrace. I don’t think He intends to consult with this thread.


47 posted on 01/23/2010 12:14:41 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“There is nothing in the story that suggests that any case had been proven against Ritter, or that his guilt had been established at all.”

Not even the lewd emails the mother intercepted?

You aren’t reading for comprehension.


48 posted on 01/23/2010 12:16:20 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: DieHard the Hunter
In today's technology, it doesn't take much to get damning evidence, if the text messages were traced to have come from Ritter, that's exhibit A. Then you have the boy's testimony about watching pornography with Ritter on several occasions using his school's laptop, that can also be verified, exhibit B.

Actual sexual assault would have to be proven in court, something the 14 year old was obviously willing to do, and with exhibit A and exhibit B verified, chances are exhibit C was not far behind it, but we'll never know now.

Any 45 year old, never married and without family I would keep a wary eye on if he had charge of young boys in any capacity. Most 45 year olds would still show interest in the opposite sex if they weren't married, this guy apparently never did, and not surprisingly now we know why.

49 posted on 01/23/2010 12:17:59 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Actually most Cancers are caused by ‘Sin’.


50 posted on 01/23/2010 12:19:08 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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