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(NASA Creates) A U.S. Climategate?
Investors.com ^ | January 22, 2010 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY staff

Posted on 01/22/2010 7:01:59 PM PST by raptor22

Hoaxes: Climate researchers and the Weather Channel's founder accuse NASA of the same data manipulation as Britain's Climate Research Unit. Were weather stations cherry-picked to hide the temperature drop?

We recently commented on how our space agency for two years refused Freedom of Information requests on why it has had to repeatedly correct its climate figures.

In a report on global warming on KUSI television by Weather Channel founder and iconic TV weatherman John Coleman, that reticence has been traced to the deliberate manipulation and distortion of climate data by NASA.

As Coleman noted in a KUSI press release, NASA's two primary climate centers, the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) in Asheville, N.C., and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies at Columbia University in New York City, are accused of "creating a strong bias toward warmer temperatures through a system that dramatically trimmed the number and cherry-picked the locations of weather observation stations they use to produce the data set on which temperature record reports are based."

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1 posted on 01/22/2010 7:02:01 PM PST by raptor22
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To: raptor22; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
 



Beam Me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 01/22/2010 7:05:19 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Freedom from fat cat greedy Big Government tyranny IS a Right ... It IS the Constitution.)
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To: raptor22

And who’s at NASA? James Hansen. Who did Hansen associate with to advance the Global Warming cause? Enron. And what did Enron propose?

Oh yeah, cap n trade.


3 posted on 01/22/2010 7:08:29 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 awaits...)
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To: Free Vulcan

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/05/30/lawrence-solomon-enron-s-other-secret.aspx


4 posted on 01/22/2010 7:09:42 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 awaits...)
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To: raptor22

They ought to be prosecuted for falsifying government documents.


5 posted on 01/22/2010 7:12:16 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Truth - Reality through the eyes of God.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Now you have done it! Introduced logic into the equation … sham on you. ;-)


6 posted on 01/22/2010 7:14:16 PM PST by doc1019 (To call Obama a bumbling idiot would be an insult to bumbling idiots worldwide.)
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To: raptor22

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2434568/posts

Climategate: CRU was just the tip of the iceberg


7 posted on 01/22/2010 7:22:46 PM PST by Rocky (Obama's ego: The "I's" have it.)
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To: raptor22

So does this mean that Weather Channel had repudiated Heidi Cullen, and I can end my boycott?

Crickets...


8 posted on 01/22/2010 7:25:04 PM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (Low Taxes Small Government - we can do it! Scott Brown - WE DID IT!!!)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov
Heidi Cullen, the climate slut, is no longer with the Weather Channel. Hasn't been for sometime. They still have some bias, but it is no longer an epidemic contagious social disease.
9 posted on 01/22/2010 7:40:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cogitator

Ping of interest. NASA’s temperature data is now considered fraudulent.

I don’t know what brings so many things to light in the past week. As you know, I rarely send a ping.


10 posted on 01/22/2010 7:48:54 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: raptor22

Thanka for posting.

Investigate. Incarcerate. The damage they have caused is incalculable.


11 posted on 01/22/2010 7:52:58 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; neverdem; decimon; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; ...
"creating a strong bias toward warmer temperatures through a system that dramatically trimmed the number and cherry-picked the locations of weather observation stations they use to produce the data set on which temperature record reports are based."
Thanks raptor22.
12 posted on 01/22/2010 8:06:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Hopefully, Law Enforcement Agencies might get interested in following the cash flows into Mr. Hansen’s accounts. Betting, Hansen didn’t push Global Warming because he just cared about saving the Planet! just like Gore turning himself into a Billionaire over Global Warming!


13 posted on 01/22/2010 8:11:02 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: raptor22
Time to seriously investigate these sanctimonious bastages and restore some credibility to NASA, science and the weather while bringing a heaping helping of ridicule, shame and hopefully incarceration to Hansen, Gore and all the rest. They knew what they were doing and the rest of the world needs to know as well.
14 posted on 01/22/2010 8:22:35 PM PST by GBA
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To: True Republican Patriot
9 of every 10 – fail to meet the National Weather Service's own siting requirements that stations must be 30 meters (about 100 feet) or more away from an artificial heating or radiating/reflecting heat source.

Someone should email this to all the news outlets; it's well documented.

Global Warming Weather Station scam

complete report with photographic proof

15 posted on 01/22/2010 8:24:18 PM PST by T. Jefferson (Batton down the hatches, full speed in reverse)
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To: ConservativeMind

Not only the data of NASA/GISS but also that of NOAA who get to fudge it first, before passing it to GISS for their turn at fudging.


16 posted on 01/22/2010 8:28:06 PM PST by expatpat
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To: raptor22; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; America_Right; ...
D0000MAGE!

Global Warming PING!

You have been pinged because of your interest in environmentalism, alarmist wackos, mainstream media doomsday hype, and other issues pertaining to global warming.

Freep-mail me to get on or off: Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to all note-worthy threads on global warming.

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17 posted on 01/22/2010 8:32:28 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: T. Jefferson

FWIW—The NCDC (National Climatic Data Center) is not a part of NASA, but is a part of the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which is part of the Dept of Commerce.

See link

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/ncdc.html


18 posted on 01/22/2010 8:39:29 PM PST by IWONDR
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To: Free Vulcan
James Hansen is still posting articles on NASA’s Astrobiology Magazine website promoting his views. The latest one is http://www.astrobio.net/index.php?option=com_retrospection&task=detail&id=3380. I wish he wouldn't; he spoils a good science Web site with his unverifiable claims.

When Sarah or Scott or whoever gets in office in 2013, don't wait for Hansen's resignation. Fire him.

19 posted on 01/22/2010 8:44:47 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Heidi Cullen, the climate slut, is no longer with the Weather Channel.

I didn't know the little totalitarian had left, hopefully against her wishes, the Weather Channel. Now I can view there on occasion.

20 posted on 01/22/2010 8:50:11 PM PST by RJL
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To: raptor22

I want Nasa closed down. Completely removed. They are complicit prostitutes of fact and welfare babies going nowhere. SHUT IT DOWN!!!


21 posted on 01/22/2010 9:19:52 PM PST by ReyTurner
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To: ConservativeMind
NASA’s temperature data is now considered fraudulent.

Yeah, by skeptics. This is news? Tell me again, why is the stratosphere cooling off? (There are two reasons.) Why is the lower troposphere warming up at basically the same rate as the surface temperature record? What... D'Aleo, Coleman, and Chiefio didn't mention these things? I wonder why not.

I don’t know what brings so many things to light in the past week.

Herd mentality.

Tell me this: are the phenological indicators of spring in the Northern Hemisphere happening earlier in the calendar year (viewed statistically, of course) or not?

Likewise, are the phenological indicators of winter also occurring later in the calendar year (viewed statistically, of course), or not?

Take your time answering this question. Look up references, discussions, blog postings, whatever. Tell me what you determine.

Then tell me what it means.

Hot Air: Why Don't TV Weathermen believe in climate change?

22 posted on 01/22/2010 9:51:18 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Who cares when relatively hairless apes determine when a season ends or starts when wild life is getting killed by the millions ?

Cold inflicted major toll on fish in Florida

Severe cold freezes livestock to death in Mongolia

The one thing we do know now is that ape metrics are literally worthless.

23 posted on 01/22/2010 10:35:12 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: True Republican Patriot

“Hopefully, Law Enforcement Agencies might get interested in following the cash flows into Mr. Hansen’s accounts. “

The entire federal bureaucracy is infested with left wing liars, thieves and ideologues like Hanson. Federal prosecutions will never happen. States need to move against these fascists, charge them and throw them in prison. It’s way past time for states to begin throwing these federal pigs out of their borders.


24 posted on 01/23/2010 5:26:23 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Heidi Cullen, the climate slut, is no longer with the Weather Channel. Hasn’t been for sometime. They still have some bias, but it is no longer an epidemic contagious social disease.”

Yes, she has moved on to spread her malice elsewhere, but she used the Weather Channel as a pulpit to confuse many decent Americans on the climate issue. Did she leave on her own, or did WC fire her and apologize for the damage she did? Do they stand by her, or have they repudiated her? If they have formally repudiated her BS, then I can end my boycott and recommence watching the Weather Channel.


25 posted on 01/23/2010 7:43:05 AM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (Low Taxes Small Government - we can do it! Scott Brown - WE DID IT!!!)
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To: cogitator
Herd mentality

Which side of the issue had the herd running mindlessly?

26 posted on 01/23/2010 7:50:16 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: cogitator
Take your time answering this question. Look up references, discussions, blog postings, whatever. Tell me what you determine.

The Climate alarmists are coming out earlier and earlier each year with their predictions of record hurricanes and that we are in the warmest year in history.

But we shall see what is happening because 2010 is shaping up to be a big El Nino year and has been predicted by British Scientists to be the hottest year in history.

But all this horse manure aside warming (or cooling) temperatures doesn't mean that change is bad or that mankind is responsible.

27 posted on 01/23/2010 8:37:29 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Obama's only 2012 hope; lose one or both houses of Congress in 2010.)
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To: cogitator

It’s not that simple.


28 posted on 01/23/2010 10:18:34 AM PST by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century US Congress when he wrote 1984)
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To: cogitator

Whats the percentage of manmade CO2 placed into the atmosphere per year?


29 posted on 01/23/2010 12:17:46 PM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: Mike Darancette
But we shall see what is happening because 2010 is shaping up to be a big El Nino year and has been predicted by British Scientists to be the hottest year in history.

It is easy for them to predict what will happen with metrics in the future. They know the metrics are being cooked. So if you know the motives of those cooking the metrics, you know what will happen to them in the future. Would like to see them predict something that actually happens in the real physical world. Not something that only happens within the small crooked minds of men.

BTW - It is not a big El Nino. Only was strong for a couple of weeks. Mostly moderate and fading. Judging by the snow we just had in Southern California (3 inches in Beaumont and Yucaipa), these storms are not El Nino storms. They are coming from higher north and they are dragging some of the El Nino moisture with them.

30 posted on 01/23/2010 5:22:12 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: raptor22

bttt


31 posted on 01/23/2010 5:24:25 PM PST by opentalk
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To: justa-hairyape
Just noticed something very interesting in that article on Florida fish deaths that occurred a couple of weeks ago. Check this quote out.

``Based on what I saw in 1977 and 1989, there is a good chance we'll have a second wave,'' said William Loftus, a longtime aquatic ecologist for Everglades National Park.

So the last two times Florida had major fish kills were in 1977 and 1989. Guess what part of the solar cycle those kills occurred within ? Right at the end of the solar minimum.

So the Fish in Florida are better metrics then ape graphs built with crooked data. Been here and done this before. Nature is the most accurate tool out there and apes continue to ignore it at our peril.

32 posted on 01/23/2010 5:46:35 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
From:
PROGNOSTIC DISCUSSION FOR LONG-LEAD SEASONAL OUTLOOKS NWS CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 830 AM EST THU JAN 21 2010

"STRONG EL NINO CONDITIONS CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE TROPICAL PACIFIC. THIS WARM EVENT IS EXPECTED TO PERSIST (THOUGH GRADUALLY WEAKEN) INTO AT LEAST EARLY BOREAL SPRING 2010, AND IS ANTICIPATED TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE US SURFACE TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION FORECASTS INTO THE APR-MAY-JUN (AMJ) 2010 SEASON. THE IMPACT OF EL NINO ON THE CLIMATE OVER NORTH AMERICA IS USUALLY GREATEST DURING THE LATE WINTER SEASON. MANY PREDICTION TOOLS INDICATE THAT THE EL NINO IS CURRENTLY NEAR ITS MAXIMUM STRENGTH AND WILL DIMINISH SLIGHTLY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. THOUGH SOME MODELS PREDICT THAT THIS WARM EPISODE MAY EXTEND INTO SUMMER, IMPACTS ON THE US TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION FOR LATE SPRING AND BEYOND, HOWEVER, ARE EXPECTED TO BE NEGLIGIBLE."

Here in Rancho Cucamonga (So Cal) it must have rained 10" started out warm but got cold later. And, yes the warmists will blow this all out of proportion .

33 posted on 01/23/2010 7:07:08 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Obama's only 2012 hope; lose one or both houses of Congress in 2010.)
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To: Mike Darancette
That statement is flat out wrong. All equatorial Pacific high temperature anomalies are below 2.6 C positive and most are below 2 C positive. It is moderate. In fact there is a bigger positive temp anomaly in the South Central Pacific. If El Nino is strong, what does that make the South Central Pacific ? The storms are being driven by the strong Jet Stream. Would occur with or without El Nino conditions. The storms are coming from the Central North Pacific which is cold. That is why we had snow in spots at 1,200 feet here along the Rancho Cucamonga foothills last night. Saw it personally. And it was very cold here last night. Don't ever recall being able to see my breath during the last El Nino about 10 years ago.


34 posted on 01/23/2010 7:25:01 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Well I have seen worse El Nino maps and that South Pacific temperature anomaly is weird.

I live near Chaffey College at about 1,700' elevation and we didn't get any snow as far as I could tell. The first storms 1/18-1/20 were pretty warm but the storms of 1/21 and 1/22 were a lot colder. I did get some good pictures today of the low snow level which looks to be about 2,500' or so.

I don't understand why the official reports seem to be overstating the weakening El Nino.

35 posted on 01/23/2010 9:55:38 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Obama's only 2012 hope; lose one or both houses of Congress in 2010.)
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To: junta
Whats the percentage of manmade CO2 placed into the atmosphere per year?

Sigh.


36 posted on 01/23/2010 10:50:15 PM PST by cogitator
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To: Mike Darancette
But we shall see what is happening because 2010 is shaping up to be a big El Nino year and has been predicted by British Scientists to be the hottest year in history.

It's probably going to be a moderate El Nino year; the current El Nino is probably slightly past peak now and will fade through spring. Whether or not that can push 2010 past 1998 will largely depend on what state the Pacific ends up later in the year -- "normal" vs. an incipient La Nina.

However, the 12-month running average could be interesting with January through March included. Tamino ("Open Mind") has a recent post on this.

37 posted on 01/23/2010 10:58:47 PM PST by cogitator
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To: Mike Darancette
The low snow was further east along the front range. Near to were the range stops. Looked like a localized event. Saw it from the Home Depot over on foothill Blvd at about 5pm on Friday just as the clouds cleared at sunset. The snow line ran along the top of the front range then dived down toward the east on the end. Should have taken a picture. Was probably washed away later by rain. The weather forecasters all blew the snow fall elevation for this last storm. They blew it by at least 1,500 feet, not counting the localized event I witnessed. They were thinking El Nino. We now know that El Nino does not always translate into Global Warming. El Nino is just an indicator of energy transfer mechanisms.

Do not know where that strong warming came from in the South Central Pacific, but basically what happened last winter down there is that the oceans cooled dramatically by the end of the winter. After two big cold spots developed, in the east and west, the hot spot later formed right between them. The cold spots however have remained during the summer time down there and the sun only moderated them slightly. We will now see ocean temps in the upper areas of the Northern Hemisphere cool dramatically, if they follow what happened in the South. Just look at what happened in Scandinavian waters. The US and UK are almost completely surrounded by colder then normal water now. That is ahead of schedule. Was expecting that by the end of winter. So the cooling is accelerating. February will kick everyones but north of the equator.

BTW - All NOAA data is suspect now and they never will gain back trust from me. That is lost forever. But hey, I am just a hairy ape.

38 posted on 01/23/2010 11:14:44 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: junta

Looks like it is close to the margin of error.


39 posted on 01/23/2010 11:18:36 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape; Mike Darancette

For what it’s worth: the storms of 1/21-1/22 deposited snow on Mount Diablo (east SF Bay Area, Contra Costa County), elevation 3,849. Saw the snow this afternoon from Walnut Creek.


40 posted on 01/23/2010 11:23:37 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont
The snow at Beaumont and Yucaipa was at around 2,500 feet and it was 3 inches deep. The entire population of the greater Los Angeles area needed chains to drive to Palm Springs for awhile Thursday morning.

Snow stranding 100 vehicles in mountains, brings rare Pass area travel restriction

41 posted on 01/23/2010 11:46:00 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Ooops, that was Friday morning.
42 posted on 01/23/2010 11:46:58 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: raptor22

Here in Sweden, they’re reporting that NASA says this has been the warmest decade ever, but that 2009 was also the coldest year ever. (”Climate change” replacing “global warming.”) They’re reporting it without qualification, and without reference to the well-known data manipulations.

They’re still stuck in last year, blowing off completely verified proof of fraud as just some side-issue stuff that seems to excite “skeptics.” It’s still “move along folks, nothing to see here.”


43 posted on 01/24/2010 6:40:52 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: ReyTurner

When they refer to NASA in support of the global warming scam, they’re primarily just talking about propaganda from Al Gore’s business partner and radical extremist eco-Nazi, James Hansen at Columbia University.

It’s the so-called “Goddard Institute for Space Studies” at Columbia - James Hansen.

I’ve been looking for info re: when this “institute” was set up, and when James Hansen became its head. Wild guess - likely sometime when Clinton was in office and Al Gore was VP. That’s when it’s reported that Gore got together with Enron and hatched the scheme.

The “institute” faced problems when Bush was elected, but one of the leftest Mafia DC law firms sued for “whistle blower” status, claiming that Bush admin’s questioning of Hansen was an effort to cover-up “the truth” about global warming.


44 posted on 01/24/2010 6:48:38 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
While the Global Cooling Denialist are walking around with their heads in the sand, this type of stuff is occurring.

Cold killed record number of sea turtles

Volunteers, state biologists and conservation groups across Florida mounted an unprecedented rescue effort to save most of the 5,000 endangered sea turtles found near death during this month's cold snap. Despite their successes, roughly 1,000 died, representing the biggest setback recorded for the endangered animals.

"It will still be larger -- more mortalities -- than any other single event we've documented," said Allen Foley, a state biologist with expertise in sea turtle strandings.

Farms lost hundreds of millions due to cold-weather damage

“The only other time that I have seen damage this widespread was after the ‘89 freeze,” he said. “There are places in Florida that were hit as badly as 1989.”

Florida’s Gov. Charlie Crist has asked for an emergency declaration for all counties in the state because the damage is so extensive to agriculture.

“It gives you a sense of the magnitude of the loss,” Putnam said.

45 posted on 01/24/2010 7:49:31 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: RogerFGay

Thanks for your insight. “Global Warming” (morphed into “climate change”because the globe is cooling) was a bold attempt at redistribution of wealth and an attack on the capitalist system. It was an intentional lie to control industry and lives. It died in Copenhagen where the lying emails exposed the fraud and of course there was that pesky of contra data that went the wrong way. The main thing is to put it in “joke phase” where it belongs and wipe it out as a fraud.


46 posted on 01/24/2010 7:59:52 AM PST by ReyTurner
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To: justa-hairyape
BTW - All NOAA data is suspect now and they never will gain back trust from me. That is lost forever. But hey, I am just a hairy ape.

I agree with you there but I trust their lower 48 numbers more than I trust any global numbers.

47 posted on 01/24/2010 9:26:45 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Obama's only 2012 hope; lose one or both houses of Congress in 2010.)
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To: cogitator

I’ll tell you where that “sigh” belongs professor, but I’m a gentleman. AGW is a hypothesis nothing more, to impoverish me and my family, to transfer wealth to the Carbon Oligarchs (Enron/Soros/Gore) is a crime. If you insist on this course of action than I must consider you a conspirator to a crime.


48 posted on 01/24/2010 12:22:30 PM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: justa-hairyape
So the last two times Florida had major fish kills were in 1977 and 1989. Guess what part of the solar cycle those kills occurred within ? Right at the end of the solar minimum.

Should probably clarify this for the thread. From what I saw looking at sunspots and comparing them to weather trends a few years ago, the earth in general is colder starting from the peak of the solar minimum to the peak of the solar maximum (upslope). It is warmer in general starting from the peak of the solar maximum to the peak of the solar minimum (downslope). The delay factor is one of the main causes. We can see a similar effect during summer and winter as the latter months of the changed seasonal sunlight exposure extreme generally have the greatest temperature extreme. However, this physical phenomenon is more intense with respect to the suns sunspot cycle because the early part of the solar active period has its sunspots located higher in latitude on the suns surface. So less activity enters the planetary rotational plane. That angle of exposure physics is related to the physics that affects our seasonal temperature differences. The fish kill and Florida freeze that occurred in 1989 happened during the end of the colder period near the peak of the solar maximum (upslope). The fish kill event in 1977 happened during the start of the upslope period. This appears to fit well for the last two solar cycles if your ignore metrics that have become politicized, such as Average Temperatures and El Ninos. Granted, long term planetary oceanic cycles and atmospheric pressure cycles can also affect temperatures, so in general the theory above applies to solar flux forcing. And if that theory is correct, we have 2 more years of cooling events to endure, assuming of course that the sun enters moderate to strong solar activity at its peak in Solar Cycle 24.

49 posted on 01/24/2010 5:53:29 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: ReyTurner

How does it go? A riddle wrapped in an enigma? The primary aim of their “redistribution of wealth” is to put as much money as possible in their own pockets. This is where the Big Mafia organized crime went. People do have a tendency to philosophize political about the whole thing, but it’s just ole fashioned political corruption designed to steel as much as possible.


50 posted on 01/25/2010 3:43:21 AM PST by RogerFGay
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