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No More Jesus Rifles
ABC News ^ | LUIS MARTINEZ, JOSEPH RHEE and MARK SCHONE

Posted on 01/22/2010 10:53:54 PM PST by greatdefender

Trijicon, the gunsight maker that has imprinted Bible verse numbers on its scopes, has announced that it will no longer imprint the verses on the sides of scopes intended for the U.S. military, and will also provide clients with the kits to remove the Bible verse numbers from existing scopes.

An ABC News report earlier this week revealed that the Michigan-based company, which has a contract to provide up to 800,000 scopes to the U.S. military, prints references to New Testament chapters and verses in code next to the model numbers of its scopes. The scopes are used by the U.S. Marine Corps and Army in Iraq and Afghanistan, and by U.S. allies in those countries, and for the training of Afghan and Iraqi troops.

"Trijicon has proudly served the U.S. military for more than two decades, and our decision to offer to voluntarily remove these references is both prudent and appropriate," said Stephen Bindon, Trijicon president and CEO in a statement. "We want to thank the Department of Defense for the opportunity to work with them and will move as quickly as possible to provide the modification kits for deployment overseas."

Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said the Department of Defense "applauds the voluntary actions announced today by Trijicon."

Morrell said the coded Bible reference were clearly inappropriate. Said Morrell, "It is not the policy of the Department of Defense to put religious references of any kind on its equipment."

Earlier today, Gen. David Petraeus, who commands CentCom, which oversees U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, told a D.C. thinktank that the company's practice was "disturbing …and a serious concern for me" and field commanders. He said there had been considerable discussions within the Department of Defense about how to deal with Trijicon's practice.

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1 posted on 01/22/2010 10:53:54 PM PST by greatdefender
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To: greatdefender

There are doubtless people who saw benefit in having those biblical references around. Maybe the company can encrypt them in a long, long product id number. Find that, suckas.


2 posted on 01/22/2010 10:58:28 PM PST by Tax Government (Democrats: dealers in economic crack.)
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To: greatdefender
AAARGGHHHHHHHHHH

they went and asked muslim clerics what they thought?????

ENOUGH ALREADY

3 posted on 01/22/2010 10:59:45 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
they went and asked muslim clerics what they thought?????

I'm amazed they didn't keep asking if the clerics minded if we used bullets at all.

4 posted on 01/22/2010 11:02:39 PM PST by kittycatonline.com
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

the company should have just said that the marks were QC marks that they traditionally had used and had nothing to do with the Bible. Just an accident.
In-n-Out doesn’t make a big deal out of their versus on their cups.


5 posted on 01/22/2010 11:03:30 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: greatdefender

We certainly wouldn’t want to encourage our troops in their incredibly difficult jobs.


6 posted on 01/22/2010 11:04:28 PM PST by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: greatdefender

More PC nonsense!


7 posted on 01/22/2010 11:07:45 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: greatdefender

They should put this on them.

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8 posted on 01/22/2010 11:07:48 PM PST by RingerSIX
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To: greatdefender

Sadly, I called this one immediately when the initial story broke. No surprises here.


9 posted on 01/22/2010 11:08:11 PM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: greatdefender

I say we dip the bullets in pigs blood and advertise that fact to the local indigenous population.


10 posted on 01/22/2010 11:10:00 PM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: greatdefender
"Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said the Department of Defense "applauds the voluntary actions announced today by Trijicon." "

If I had anything to do with it I would tell Geoff Morrell to kiss my ass. This political correct bullshit will only get more Innocent people killed.

11 posted on 01/22/2010 11:15:07 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: greatdefender

I have lost any respect I had for them.


12 posted on 01/22/2010 11:16:44 PM PST by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: greatdefender
"Earlier today, Gen. David Petraeus, who commands CentCom, which oversees U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, told a D.C. thinktank that the company's practice was "disturbing …and a serious concern for me" and field commanders."

Where is George Patton when you need him?

13 posted on 01/22/2010 11:20:25 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ


14 posted on 01/22/2010 11:26:06 PM PST by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender

This is top priority?!

May God have mercy on their souls.


15 posted on 01/22/2010 11:30:34 PM PST by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: rbosque

Aerosolized pork rinds over the jiohadist enemy would do wonders as well...


16 posted on 01/22/2010 11:31:41 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: greatdefender

And the value of the “blessed” scopes will probably quadruple, or more.


17 posted on 01/22/2010 11:33:12 PM PST by matthew fuller (John Edwards (D) - The "man" that the word "despicable" was created for.)
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To: greatdefender
Doing it for 20 years. I guess they didn’t get the idea from that movie (Saving Private Ryan???) where the sniper is always reciting verses and praying.

Still love that bumper sticker:

God Bless our Troops
Especially the Snipers

18 posted on 01/22/2010 11:36:29 PM PST by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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To: greatdefender

Good one. I do think people are waking up. I pray it is not to late.


19 posted on 01/22/2010 11:41:26 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: greatdefender
Oh my, we can't have any Christian symbolism, now can we? /sarcasm.

Tell that to these guys:



I double-dog dare you!!!
20 posted on 01/22/2010 11:47:46 PM PST by DoctorBulldog
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To: greatdefender
This thing is like a Jesus rifle. No working prototype (yet), but it's pretty beastly.


21 posted on 01/22/2010 11:54:23 PM PST by wastedyears (If I'm going out, I'm going out like Major Kong.)
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To: greatdefender

1014HL. 10=J. 14=N. H=8. L=12. Simple substitution. And the anti-American pukes wouldn’t be the wiser. And the ones that count would know.


22 posted on 01/22/2010 11:56:11 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: greatdefender

Jesus rifles? What idiot thought up that phrase?

I agree. I think Trijicon should go with versus from the Koran. They are much more motivating:

Qur’an (2:216) - “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

Qur’an (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

Qur’an (9:30) - “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

Qur’an (9:73) - “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”

Qur’an (47:4) - “So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,”

Qur’an (66:9) - “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.”


23 posted on 01/22/2010 11:56:13 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Marsha Coakley's been teabagged. The rest of you Democrat Teabaggees - you're next.)
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To: greatdefender

I saw this earlier in the week over at the DUmp. The DUmmies were going crazy about it (not that they aren’t already crazy), and I figured the verses on the weapons would not last.


24 posted on 01/22/2010 11:57:02 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: greatdefender

We can’t have pride in making a product so just churn out the cheapest crap and charge the most.


25 posted on 01/22/2010 11:58:25 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (LOL!!)
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To: Tax Government; Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman
There are doubtless people who saw benefit in having those biblical references around. Maybe the company can encrypt them in a long, long product id number. Find that, suckas.

With custom-made integrated circuits, the design team usually puts some "ego" item in unused space on the substrate in celebration. It could be the names of the team members, a cartoon, or maybe even a citation from the Bible!!!. How can we guarantee to the mooslims that there is nothing hidden a JDAM guidance circuit, for example, that might offend them?

Even if you had an electron microscope, you can't open up the packaging without destroying the device. CAIR is just going to have to take our word on the matter that we're trying to kill these islamic terrorists with these weapons, but we certainly wouldn't want to offend them. But nobody has any way of knowing if these "offensive weapons" are out there, or if they ever existed in the first place.

Meanwhile, I expect there will be a new military bureaucracy set up to actually make sure that defacing these tens of thousands of sights gets done, and none are overlooked. Either support people will go out into the field, and track every scope down, or it will have to be done at some depot when the troops are moving in or out of country. Will Carl Levin, in the course of hearings, provide extra budget money for this? What islamic group should receive these reports? Will Levin personally guarantee that each sight will be found, defaced, and the database updated? Will all specs for future procurement of any weapons (not just weapons, but anything the federal government buys, including pork products) be certified as "non-offensive".

In the end, this will cost the taxpayer perhaps tens of millions of dollars in addition to the humiliation The One accepted on behalf of the entire country. For a regime that readily denigrates much of the American citizenry, this will do more harm to American than all the bowing and scraping 0bama has done to all the tyrants and louts around the world so far.

26 posted on 01/23/2010 12:04:55 AM PST by 300winmag (Trijicon: enemies quake at the mere mention of the Jesus Scope)
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To: greatdefender

How does this story take 3 reporters?

really?


27 posted on 01/23/2010 12:09:07 AM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: reaganaut

They are in business to make money. Nobody even noticed these so-called “codes” for ages.


28 posted on 01/23/2010 12:11:01 AM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Exactly. Importing pigs into combat zones will drive the Muzzies away!


29 posted on 01/23/2010 12:16:58 AM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: greatdefender

come on Genr’l Petraeus ! man up....don’t like the little frogs push you around .


30 posted on 01/23/2010 12:18:05 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: 300winmag

Roger that. Brilliantly put.


31 posted on 01/23/2010 12:23:17 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: greatdefender

This was such a non-story from the beginning. The REAL story is the secular left’s hypersensitive revulsion to Christianity.


32 posted on 01/23/2010 12:29:44 AM PST by matt1234 (The shine is off the magic negro.)
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To: rbosque

Have the terrorist ROP have a swine time!


33 posted on 01/23/2010 12:36:48 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: greatdefender

“I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.”

(Revelations 19:11-16)


34 posted on 01/23/2010 12:59:05 AM PST by Cedar
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To: greatdefender
verses in code

It's not code. It's the standard 2 letter bible book abbreviation system. Saying Jn8:32 is not code. Anyone want to guess what Jn3:16 is? Now try Ge4:11

35 posted on 01/23/2010 1:51:50 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: greatdefender

Liberals INVENTING insult and problems where there are none.


36 posted on 01/23/2010 1:58:20 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: GeronL

Somebody did, and that is all it took...

Amazing how they are keeping that fact under wraps...


37 posted on 01/23/2010 2:22:52 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: greatdefender

These scopes might be very collectable.

I’ve been looking for regular issue military gear with religious inscriptions and can’t find any. Thought there might have been some during the Civil War.

Anyone know if our military ever issued weapons, buckles, buttons etc with religious themes? I’m speaking of regular issue. Not voluntary or items associated with Chaplains and religious services.


38 posted on 01/23/2010 2:34:24 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: GeronL

One to write the story, one to read it and the other to keep an eye out for anything that might offend Muslims.
For a so call warrior religion, they are whiny little bitches.


39 posted on 01/23/2010 3:11:19 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Tax Government

“”It’s wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws,” said Michael “Mikey” Weinstein of the “ [Leftist Atheist Fags Foundation, LAFF]

If you think that some imprints that noone ever sees establish a state religion, Weiner, then you are a dangerously imbalanced individual and should be tested for whatever problem you are having with your brain. Then when it is found that you are having brain difficulties, you should be removed from the roll of eligible voters.


40 posted on 01/23/2010 3:17:53 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: 21twelve

>> Still love that bumper sticker:

>>God Bless our Troops
>>Especially the Snipers

I’ve recently seen that one, and an Obama LOL! sticker (with the Obama logo as the “O”). That last one was on a Volvo wagon, of all things!

There are a lot of people who “get it”, more than we might think.


41 posted on 01/23/2010 3:19:18 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Yorlik803
"they are whiny little bitches."

They get it from the camels.


42 posted on 01/23/2010 3:22:00 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: rbosque

I say we dip the bullets in pigs blood and advertise that fact to the local indigenous population.
___________________________________

Why not just advertise the fact, and not actually do it?

The purpose is to freak out the enemy-no need to buy into their pagan superstitions. Actual porcine blood on the bullets might not be best for optimum operation of the weapons.


43 posted on 01/23/2010 4:50:19 AM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: LeoWindhorse

I used to respect General Petraeus.

Not so much anymore.

No wonder the Army tolerated a nut job like the Fort Hood shooter in it’s ranks. The Army is infested with PC hacks.


44 posted on 01/23/2010 4:51:56 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The first American Revolution started in Massachusetts. So did the second one, on January 19, 2010!)
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To: greatdefender

The order to remove the codes came straight from the top, from Barack Hussein Obama himself. There is no doubt about that.


45 posted on 01/23/2010 6:01:35 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Petraeus is only following orders from Obama. Obama probably ordered Petraeus to denounce the sights.


46 posted on 01/23/2010 6:04:03 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: All

Trijicon sights bad. Veterans bad. Taliban good....

47 posted on 01/23/2010 6:08:44 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: greatdefender
Gen. David Petraeus, ............. told a D.C. thinktank that the company's practice was "disturbing …and a serious concern for me"

Corinthians 4:6 : "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

John 8:12, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

"Disturbing, serious concern?" Ya, those verses are really "disturbing". I guess Petraeus thinks we shouldn't offend our enemies before we kill them.
48 posted on 01/23/2010 6:09:38 AM PST by Girlene
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To: wastedyears

Go look at the KelTec RFB. :D


49 posted on 01/23/2010 6:25:12 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

oh no muslims said that this might now be perceived as a holy war and get them mad

er they cry allah when they blow themselves up and state this is a holy war.

Am I missing something here, they say holy war, we can’t have these numbers because American muslims say it might appear to muslims overseas this is a holy war.

must be missing something


50 posted on 01/23/2010 6:36:52 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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