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The nation's schools are failing boys
NY Post ^ | January 23, 2010 | MAGGIE GALLAGHER

Posted on 01/23/2010 3:19:42 AM PST by Scanian

The headline from The Washington Post cele brates yet another milestone: "University of Virginia picks its first female president." Meantime, the data continues to mount that our educational system is massively failing one gender: boys.

In a new book, "Why Boys Fail," Richard Whitmire points to a study that tracked every graduate of the Boston public schools in 2007. For every 167 women in a four-year college, there were only 100 men. Gender even beat race as a predictor of college attendance: Black women were 5 percentage points more likely than white men to be in college.

And it's not just Boston: Nearly 60 percent of all bachelor's degrees in the country go to women.

Do we care about our boys?

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: academia; blacks; boys; degrees; education; males; malestudents

1 posted on 01/23/2010 3:19:44 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

“Do we care about our boys?”

As the father of two boys its quite obvious there is no concern. We still see more decisions pushing it even further towards women.


2 posted on 01/23/2010 3:48:08 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Scanian

Why should college or university attendance be the yardstick for measuring success?

Maybe some boys/men realize there is no substitute for real, down-to-earth experience.

My nephew is very, very intelligent. He wants to be a mechanic. I figure he can go to college later when he feels he has a need for the education.

But college isn’t about job training. It should be about learning how to think, but unfortunately today’s colleges and universities seem to be mainly about indoctrination - teaching students what they can’t do.


3 posted on 01/23/2010 3:52:49 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Scanian

Pardon the pet peeve moment here —

Dear Maggie,

Words/language have gender, people have sex.

Sincerely,

T-Bird45

— Please carry on with the thread. —


4 posted on 01/23/2010 3:53:48 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Scanian

Ms. Gallagher’s point is well made, but her piece seems to ramble—not necessarily in a bad way—and it’s difficult to see this for anything more than a “bitch piece.”

If you want to bring up men again, Ms. Gallagher, consider dialing down the pro-women anti-men rhetoric thrown at us by every facet of the media. Consider the promotion of “maleness” in a non-misogynistic way. Knock it off with this bra-burning 1960s mentality where men are cultural and social neanderthals. I take extreme exception to that considering I’m in the minority of all of your statistics (white, male, well-educated).

I’ve seen the way that women are promoted over men when the male candidates are oftentimes better qualified. In the name of political correctness, a job is given to a black woman while a white man with a family and a mortgage two months overdue would outperform your new ghetto queen in every task. This isn’t about fairness; this is about productivity. Men are stereotyped as construction workers, truck drivers, plumbers, roofers. Yet when one of those motivated construction workers decides to study project management in night school, studying for hours while keeping food on his family’s table, and applies for a job in construction project management, all of his experience in the field is trumped by a woman who has a Masters degree in a similar field but has never set her pretty little fingers on a shovel. Guess what? You fail! I’ve seen it happen time and time again: the woman is promoted or hired over a man because they have to fill some imaginary quota. She’s pretty, sharp, witty, and dresses well. She’s mildly indignant of men, and she wears her education on her lapel. She speaks eloquently and is socially attractive.

Contrast that with a man who’s gritty, colloquial, and “buttoned up” sans the boobs. He’s knowledgeable of his field, can talk about how Peyton performed, but his depth of knowledge is confined to AM sports talk radio and hauling rocks. He’s perfect for the position, but you’re more worried about appearances. You’ve subverting practical knowledge for a pretty face. I’ll say it again: you fail.

I appreciate that women are subjectively unhappy, and they can thank the militant feminist movements, the NOW women, the bra burning, crop haircut, butch bull dyke feminists who want to feed their baby boys soy and keep them from playing cops and robbers lest they become serial killers. How many countless generations of men spent weekends shooting cans with their 22s? How many countless generations of men with cap guns and played cowboys and indians, cops and robbers? Yet, our jails aren’t overflowing with serial murderers, rapists, or sociopaths who say that little plastic cap gun or that .22 turned them into a criminals. Quite the contrary, most of the jails around here are full of drug dealers who came from families without fathers. They had brothers and sisters from other men, ate government cheese while mom was out gallivanting in her leased Mercedes that she could afford because she was hired at the DMV over a qualified white man, and learned about life from the streets and gangs.

When women and the complicit media stop putting down men, stop showing us as bumbling oafs in sitcoms, stop over-sexualizing women, stop feminizing men, stop bastardizing good fathers and promoting divorce, stop promoting the degradation of the family and the homosexual agendas, and stop pushing this militant feminist agenda down the throats of schoolchildren, maybe then, and only then, will boys again be boys and maybe, just maybe, they’ll learn how to grow into men.


5 posted on 01/23/2010 3:57:46 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Scanian
Look in any major Universities Math-Science-Engineering Schools. There is where the men are located.

If it were easy, women and kids would be doing it.

6 posted on 01/23/2010 4:06:08 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: rarestia

bump for bookmark


7 posted on 01/23/2010 4:12:16 AM PST by The SISU kid (I feel really homesick all the time & so do all the other aliens.....)
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To: rarestia

Excellent points all


8 posted on 01/23/2010 4:30:58 AM PST by Rays_Dad (H. Clinton-Every man who looks at her is reminded of his first wife, even if he's never been married)
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To: Scanian

“The nation’s schools are failing boys”

Oh it’s a hell of a lot worse than that. Our culture has lost the control it one had of male aggression. The force that made and served America, the force that projected our national power to the moon, now culturally speaking, serves the whim of it’s individual owner. This is what Evil wanted when Evil set out to destroy a Nation Under God. Divide and conquer. So far Evil is doing pretty good....


9 posted on 01/23/2010 4:34:50 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Scanian

Wait until the Federal Government takes over the loan program for higher education!


10 posted on 01/23/2010 4:37:34 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: rarestia

Wow! You’re an awesome writer. Thanks!


11 posted on 01/23/2010 4:40:01 AM PST by sazerac
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To: Scanian
Here's something I saw, written by an MRA, that could be a fitting reply to all of this "blame the schools" talk.

Time for Some Male Bashing of Our Own

12 posted on 01/23/2010 4:44:19 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Hey Nancy, how many jobs have been lost since you and the Democrats took Congress?)
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To: T-Bird45
Words/language have gender, people have sex.

Thank you, that's one of my pet peeves too. And on a thread complaining about leftists destroying education.

13 posted on 01/23/2010 4:56:16 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: TalBlack

I was gonna give Rareista props but he will get plenty.
Your words deserve a bump as well.


14 posted on 01/23/2010 4:58:24 AM PST by winodog (Forthcoming dislocations In the Chinese communist command economy could be legendary.)
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To: Scanian

If anyone is “failing boys,” it’s the nation’s parents. Maggie Gallagher is a fairly accurate observer of problems, but her solutions are all statist, and therefore will never help.


15 posted on 01/23/2010 5:25:16 AM PST by Tax-chick (I haven't tried it, myself, but I'm told it's a delicacy in Japan.)
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To: Scanian

“The Nation’s schools are failing....” Just fill in the blank. The schools are failing both genders and any other category you chose.

National Review recently noted that the Berkeley California school board became alarmed that blacks and Hispanics were doing badly on math and science while whites and Asians were doing well.

This disparity was intolerable. So they simply voted to drop all science lab courses from the curricula, fire the science teachers, and use the money saved to fund remedial courses for the “minorities.”


16 posted on 01/23/2010 5:25:56 AM PST by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut)
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To: rarestia

this bra-burning 1960s mentality where men are cultural and social neanderthals = no babies.

Is everybody happy?


17 posted on 01/23/2010 5:33:46 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: rarestia

Been there, done that, seen that so many times like many.

I had my own personal horror story of a control freak, closet man hater feminist type. I am glad that chapter is long since closed.


18 posted on 01/23/2010 5:36:43 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Pretty good article. I’ve been making similar points here for several years. (Yes, I’m a woman, but I like men. I want my boys to be men, and I want my daughters to marry men.)

Don’t like the put-down advertising on TV? Stop watching, stop buying. Schools are bad for your sons? Get them out of there. Turn off the tv and get out and run, or play ball, or go shooting.

And if you think playing poker is a dangerous, manly, risk-taking activity, try saying, “I think Christianity is just plain better than Islam,” or “I think homosexuality is wrong,” in polite company.


19 posted on 01/23/2010 5:36:59 AM PST by Tax-chick (I haven't tried it, myself, but I'm told it's a delicacy in Japan.)
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To: Scanian

education by the gov. is emasculating on purpose.


20 posted on 01/23/2010 5:41:42 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Scanian

More to the point, the question should be “Is it worth going deeply in debt so that you can get a superfluous college degree?”

Except for careers that require very specialized learning, such as engineering and medicine, many college degrees today are just a paper chase with little bearing on future career performance. The sorry statistic is that future performance between legitimate college degree employees and diploma mill employees is close to identical.

From a personal perspective, a college degree just means that marriage, children, home ownership, and prosperity are delayed, almost past the point where they are no longer worth it. Children, especially, are for the young. If you have to wait until you are in your 40s before you can “afford” children, a lot of people will give up or be unable to have children.

From a business perspective, a college degree so useless that they have to retrain their new hires in even basic skills, just means that they lose four of the most productive years in their employees careers.

So all it takes for the system to come crashing down, is for the major employers to decide that new hires, degree or not, will be “tested in”, as the only requirement for hiring. The higher the test score, the more likely that someone will be hired, whether they’ve just graduated from college, or just graduated from high school, or even have a GED.

Many already “test in” new hires, but they insist that those new hires present that piece of paper first. And once they realize that piece of paper is nothing more than an indicator that the prospective employee is deeply in debt, they may decide that it is unimportant.


21 posted on 01/23/2010 5:41:48 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Scanian

Amazing that title 9 give preference to women when they have been the majority on campuses for over a decade.


22 posted on 01/23/2010 6:03:02 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

“chickification?”


23 posted on 01/23/2010 6:17:59 AM PST by Scanian
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To: rarestia

I’ve heard that in the next season of ‘24’ Jack Bauer will be a woman.


24 posted on 01/23/2010 6:18:59 AM PST by Moltke (DOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the Big House - HOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the White House.)
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To: T-Bird45

+1

The reason, I think, is that there are too many people out there that think ‘sex’ is a dirty word and it’s more polite to use ‘gender.’


25 posted on 01/23/2010 6:21:00 AM PST by Moltke (DOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the Big House - HOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the White House.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
From a personal perspective, a college degree just means that marriage, children, home ownership, and prosperity are delayed,
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It wasn't so long ago in our nation's history that young men attended Harvard and Yale in their early teens.

Our current government school model of education is designed to keep kids infantilized. The purpose is to keep minimally talented white collar workers ( mostly women) employed feeding at the government money trough.

My own homeschoolers started college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All three finished their general college requirements and Calculus III by the age of 15. The two younger kids earned B.S. degrees in math by that age of 18.

Being able to enter the workforce 4 years earlier than their equally credentialed peers adds up to a whopping quarter to a half MILLION dollars in earnings in their lifetimes. And..They are done with their formal education early enough to marry and have kids without being on the verge of needed knee replacements and hip surgery.

26 posted on 01/23/2010 7:10:24 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: wintertime
young men attended Harvard and Yale in their early teens

At which point they already knew Latin, Greek, Hebrew, math, English, and often another modern language.

Many people, of course, were not educated at all, but those who were, actually knew something!

27 posted on 01/23/2010 7:12:18 AM PST by Tax-chick (I haven't tried it, myself, but I'm told it's a delicacy in Japan.)
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To: rarestia

#5 Great post....thanks!


28 posted on 01/23/2010 7:19:16 AM PST by mickie
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To: central_va
"Look in any major Universities Math-Science-Engineering Schools. There is where the men are located."

Yes!
Drexel U, School of Engineering.....that's where my 18yr old grandson is.

29 posted on 01/23/2010 7:24:15 AM PST by mickie
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To: rarestia

“When women and the complicit media stop putting down men, stop showing us as bumbling oafs in sitcoms, stop over-sexualizing women, stop feminizing men, stop bastardizing good fathers and promoting divorce, stop promoting the degradation of the family and the homosexual agendas, and stop pushing this militant feminist agenda down the throats of schoolchildren, maybe then, and only then, will boys again be boys and maybe, just maybe, they’ll learn how to grow into men”

Brilliant.
Thanks


30 posted on 01/23/2010 8:06:21 AM PST by John Galt's cousin (Palin - 2012: Our best hope! Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: Scanian

The nations schools, much like the nation’s “mainstream” broadcast network news shows, newspapers, and news magazines, are run and staffed by feminine and the effeminate persons who hate males, so...


31 posted on 01/23/2010 8:28:47 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: flowerplough

“the nation’s schools”, and


32 posted on 01/23/2010 8:50:28 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: wintertime
Our current government school model of education is designed to keep kids infantilized. The purpose is to keep minimally talented white collar workers ( mostly women) employed feeding at the government money trough.

It's also designed to limit competition for semi-skilled union jobs from bright, energetic young males who like working with "things" and are bored by college prep-type curriculum.

33 posted on 01/23/2010 8:58:09 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: rarestia

As a woman I must say........
AMEN!


34 posted on 01/23/2010 8:00:33 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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