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To: GL of Sector 2814
All ANY dcotor can offer is their OPINION.

“Along with setting bones, stitching wounds, transplanting organs, prescribing antibiotics, and other such trivialities... “

They can physically stitch you up or do transplants but did you ever wonder WHY some are more successful than others or WHY things don't work out for some? Do you really DENY that God is in control of any outcome? Really? A trained monkey can stitch someone up. Prescribing antibiotics is not the sign of a mental genius. Transplanting organs is NOT always successful and REJECTION is a major concern of doctors. ADULT stem cell research has had more success with many medical diseases than all the glorious OPINIONS that you hold do highly.

A good doctor prays for his patient

“While I have no objection to a doctor praying for me on his own time (whatever his faith), I would prefer that when treating me he stick to whatever medical science has aughts him thus far. If you want to go to a shaman, witch doctor, or faith healer that is of course your business.”\

Ah but not all gods are equal ... so you give yourself away again. Those who make real progress in the medical field have been humble Christians and the same is true of those that made breakthroughs in Science. It is a shame that all you library books have left out that nasty little fact. You see, those that seek true knowledge don't have to depend on pragmatism, or the EVOLVING of “truth”. You don't need to be uppity over how you would like to view your secular world.

“I'm diabetic, mind you. The only reason I can live a normal lifestyle is because of modern medicine, so I'm understandably biased towards medical practices that actually work. “

I have M.S. and take NO medicine as well as Graves’ disease. Dad is a diabetic and takes no medicine. He controls it with diet. I'd have no problem if he took medication. I am not “biased” to chemical drugs. I am not “biased” against God as you are. Diabetics is not exactly rocket science and is often treatable without drugs. So your praising of fallible mortals doesn't impress me. The Ultimate One, God, is the ONLY ONE that heals and decides when your time is up or if you are to be “healed” or not.

I see you have no comment on those that have say, cancer. Some survive and some don't. You could have identical patients with the same type and stage of cancer. God may take both, allow one to live or allow both to live. It is at His disgression not that of a secular doctor that only offers chemicals as his ultimate opinion that may or may not work.
So you can argue all you like that God doesn't exist or doesn't know more than fallible mortals. It is separate from me. I KNOW better. I've seen His miracles in action when secular doctors give up on patients and God pulls them through and they don't understand WHY the person lived.

21 posted on 01/23/2010 11:53:49 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
They can physically stitch you up or do transplants but did you ever wonder WHY some are more successful than others or WHY things don't work out for some?

Because not everyone is in the same state of health, and because there remains more medical discoveries, science, and technique to be discovered.

Do you really DENY that God is in control of any outcome? Really?

Since you can't prove a negative, I deny no such thing. As the the person making the assertion, it is up to you to provide evidence supporting it.

A trained monkey can stitch someone up

Really? You'd have no objection to a rhesus monkey performing surgery on you?

Prescribing antibiotics is not the sign of a mental genius.

When did I say that it was? You said "All ANY dcotor can offer is their OPINION." (which reminds me, you're still yelling, a violation of basic netiquette). My pointing out that doctors can prescribe antibiotics does not invalidate my point.

Transplanting organs is NOT always successful and REJECTION is a major concern of doctors.

Did I say it wasn't? This hardly invalidates medical science.

ADULT stem cell research has had more success with many medical diseases than all the glorious OPINIONS that you hold do highly.

Please. Stop. Yelling.

Stem cell research, adult or otherwise, is a subset of medical science. That's what I'm supporting. You're undermining your own argument.

Ah but not all gods are equal ... so you give yourself away again.

Give myself away? What am I trying to hide?

Those who make real progress in the medical field have been humble Christians and the same is true of those that made breakthroughs in Science.

Absolutely, look at Christians like Albert Einstein, Alan Turing, and Richard Feinman!

Er, waitaminute...

It is a shame that all you library books have left out that nasty little fact. You see, those that seek true knowledge don't have to depend on pragmatism, or the EVOLVING of “truth”. You don't need to be uppity over how you would like to view your secular world.

You're accusing me of being uppity?

I have M.S. and take NO medicine as well as Graves’ disease. Dad is a diabetic and takes no medicine. He controls it with diet. I'd have no problem if he took medication.

My, that's big of you.

I am not “biased” to chemical drugs. I am not “biased” against God as you are. Diabetics is not exactly rocket science and is often treatable without drugs.

And sometimes it's not, belief in God(s) notwithstanding. I freely admit to being biased against faith healers, shamans, and other witch doctors.

So your praising of fallible mortals doesn't impress me. The Ultimate One, God, is the ONLY ONE that heals and decides when your time is up or if you are to be “healed” or not.

God is the only one who decides whether or not you're healed, doctors don't have anything to do with it?

I see you have no comment on those that have say, cancer. Some survive and some don't. You could have identical patients with the same type and stage of cancer.

Cancer is an incredibly complex disease, and we still don't have the technology to reliably defeat it. Consider it "commented".

God may take both, allow one to live or allow both to live. It is at His disgression not that of a secular doctor that only offers chemicals as his ultimate opinion that may or may not work.

So when someone dies of cancer it's because God chose not to allow them live?

I find your worldview baffling.

So you can argue all you like that God doesn't exist

I have made no such argument. I simply don't believe that God exists...not the same thing.

or doesn't know more than fallible mortals.

I certainly haven't argued that. How can I argue about the characteristics of a being in which I have no belief?

It is separate from me. I KNOW better. I've seen His miracles in action when secular doctors give up on patients and God pulls them through and they don't understand WHY the person lived.

You are free to ascribe anything you wish to the supernatural. I choose to do otherwise.

26 posted on 01/23/2010 12:39:46 PM PST by GL of Sector 2814
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