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Obama canít take our guns, so heís got his UN and international stooges trying: we canít let them
The Collins Report ^ | January 23, 2010 | Suzanne Eovaldi

Posted on 01/23/2010 11:42:53 AM PST by jmaroneps37

Stealthy but well funded United Nations maneuvers to strip American citizens of their legal right to keep and bear arms are well underway.

The UN agenda is to push countries to adopt a universally binding treaty that would supersede our U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment.

A very important video by NRA investigative reporter Ginny Simone explaining this threat has been removed from youtube, but you can still access it at www.ammonland.com or on the NRA web site. Simone takes viewers to the London headquarters of IANSA-International Action Network for Small Arms- a global network to stop “proliferation and misuse of small arms and light weapons.” She shows us IANSA is plotting to tear down the Second Amendment.

IANSA head Rebecca Peters said, “It’s time (for) tough, tough gun laws,” after she successfully pushed through a binding gun ban treaty in Australia. Simone reports Peters has “an endless supply of dollars” to wage a successful anti gun propaganda campaign here in America.

Seemingly endless amounts of dollars appear available to IANSA from over 800 NGO’s-non governmental organizations- with Japan donating $1.87 million and Britain giving a 2 million dollar grant. “U.S. citizens don’t have the blanket right to use guns as they see fit,” declared Amnesty International’s Henry Smith.

Slow but steady erosion worldwide

In NYC Rick Cowan, a retired hero detective, was stripped of his right to carry after a simple automobile wreck. Even though Cowan infiltrated the mob and got medals for his bravery, he now is on the department’s No Carry list. Law abiding Louisiana citizens saw their guns confiscated after Katrina, and the Philippine government just instituted a nationwide gun ban to stave off violence for an election that won’t happen until May.

A North Carolina anti gun Democratic state senator..

(Excerpt) Read more at collinsreport.net ...


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Obama has lots of Marxist friends around the world who are eager to help him destroy America.
1 posted on 01/23/2010 11:42:54 AM PST by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37

perhaps this the reason for the interpol change to our constitution... they are not subject to it now.. world police force for us? could be ...


2 posted on 01/23/2010 11:45:37 AM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: gibtx2

He won’t take your guns. He will follow Hillary Clintons idea of controlling your ammunition. California has already implemented something along these lines.


3 posted on 01/23/2010 11:47:50 AM PST by RC2
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To: RC2

all the more reason to make your own...


4 posted on 01/23/2010 11:49:38 AM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: jmaroneps37
Let them try. "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Look at it this way: How many firearms owners in this country will it take to stop this? There are approximately 100,000,000 firearms known to exist in this country. It only took 3% of the population to fight and win the Revolutionary War. What's 3% of the number of firearms owners? Millions.

Μολὼν λάβε

5 posted on 01/23/2010 11:50:37 AM PST by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Link? Couldn’t find one.


6 posted on 01/23/2010 11:51:22 AM PST by hkp123
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To: jmaroneps37

blue helmets make pretty targets ,,, had a picture on the “old ‘puter” that someone sent me about one of the national shoots ,where they use blue helmets as targets.


7 posted on 01/23/2010 11:53:47 AM PST by piroque
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To: jmaroneps37

U.S. citizens don’t have the blanket right to use guns as they see fit.


True! But they do have the right to make the laws (like they want it to “regulate how guns should/could be used” in their own country).


8 posted on 01/23/2010 11:55:39 AM PST by darkside321
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To: piroque

I think the blue helmets will revolt and say “Hell no, we won’t go” before we need to.

I know if I was a UN troopie, I would tell them, throw me in the stockade, I am not going to go to the US and take guns.


9 posted on 01/23/2010 12:01:58 PM PST by Molon Labbie
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To: gibtx2

I think we finally have our impeachable offence. Lets go for it. He is going against the constitution. What say you?


10 posted on 01/23/2010 12:04:04 PM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Molon Labbie

Don’t worry about the blue helmets, it will be your local PD and sheriffs department doing it. Some of them will feel bad about it, but they will do it anyway. It just depends on how much resistance can be formed and how persistent the resistance is.


11 posted on 01/23/2010 12:04:53 PM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: darkside321

Tell ol’ Henry to drag his flaky ass out here where I live and tell these folks around here that they dont have that right. Henry will be toast.


12 posted on 01/23/2010 12:06:12 PM PST by Concho
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To: 70th Division

we are going for it one piece at time.. this will unravel .. timing is everything... lets let him make some more big mistakes........


13 posted on 01/23/2010 12:06:12 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: jmaroneps37

Obama can’t take our guns, so he’s got his UN and international stooges trying: we can’t let them


Sorry to say but i have a problem with this headline.
It may be possible that Obama wants to grab your guns (i really don´t know because i´m not an american). But even if so i don´t think that the UN (or foreigners in generall) do especially care about domestic gun ownership in the US.
Why should we? It´s your country. Many foreigners may not agree if asked in personal on “lax” american gun laws(should mean that they don´t want the same in their own countries) but anyway at the end it´s your country. So do what ever you want there. i don´t think that most people outside of the US really want to have a say on your domestic gun laws.


14 posted on 01/23/2010 12:08:42 PM PST by darkside321
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To: jmaroneps37

>“U.S. citizens don’t have the blanket right to use guns as they see fit,” declared Amnesty International’s Henry Smith.

Actually they _DO_. Even to the point of murder, anything else would be towards the [criminal] punishing/prosecution of ‘might’ or ‘could’ instead of the factual ‘did’... and who wants to live in a [legal] world where you are punished for what you have the capability of doing? I wouldn’t want to be convicted of rape and/or murder because I technically _COULD_, would you?


15 posted on 01/23/2010 12:17:16 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I’ve said it before, I swear I will try to kill anyone who attempts to take my legally owned firearms.


16 posted on 01/23/2010 12:22:50 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Renegade

I’ve said it before, I swear I will try to kill anyone who attempts to take my legally owned firearms.


and what are you doing after your government just declares that all your guns are illegal?
Just joking! ;-)
(and of course very unlikely in the US)


17 posted on 01/23/2010 12:29:17 PM PST by darkside321
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To: jmaroneps37

They really don’t get it,,do they? We have guns as a natural right. We won’t turn them in like good brits and aussies. We aren’t coming for them,, but when they come for the American guns, they will get a quick education on American exceptionalism.


18 posted on 01/23/2010 12:29:31 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DesertRhino

Such an attempt would result in massive, massive civil (hopefully) disobedience.


19 posted on 01/23/2010 12:32:28 PM PST by Eleven Bravo 6 319thID
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To: jmaroneps37

They better bring a few boatloads of body bags with them.


20 posted on 01/23/2010 12:33:58 PM PST by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: darkside321
and what are you doing after your government just declares that all your guns are illegal?

Since they violated the agreement made by "We the People.." then they are no longer my government but a group of outlaws attempting to order me about and they will be either ignored or removed.

As you are not an American you perhaps do not know that every member of the military, every office holder swears to "Uphold, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America".

Violate that oath and game over.

21 posted on 01/23/2010 12:35:15 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: darkside321

Where I live I won’t be alone !


22 posted on 01/23/2010 12:35:43 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: DesertRhino

They really don’t get it,,do they? We have guns as a natural right. We won’t turn them in like good brits and aussies. We aren’t coming for them,, but when they come for the American guns, they will get a quick education on American exceptionalism.


Just a question who are “they”? i read this as there are some people (outside of the US) who really care about guns inside the US borders.


23 posted on 01/23/2010 12:37:08 PM PST by darkside321
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To: Eleven Bravo 6 319thID

Yep, civil as long as they submit and back down on any collection attempt. But not the civil disobedience of our accepting their being made illegal, and hiding them away.

If it’s time to hide weapons from a government, its actually time to USE those weapons to restore the constitution.


24 posted on 01/23/2010 12:37:11 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: jmaroneps37

It occurs to me that your average UN peacekeeper is no match for any armed American. This is not some third world sh*thole where there is no law, and they would find out damned quickly what happens when daddy’s little princess gets messed with. I can picture it in my mind, the first time some UN goober demands that I give him my weapons, and I just point at the wall where the big rack is, and tell him that I fetched that one at 900 yds. and he’s a lot closer than that.


25 posted on 01/23/2010 12:37:14 PM PST by mapmaker77
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To: mapmaker77

And the a$$clowns in DC wonder why there is an increase in armed “militias” in this country .


26 posted on 01/23/2010 12:40:53 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: darkside321

“Just a question who are “they”?”

“They” are *anyone* who comes to collect, or demands i turn in, the guns i own. Especially a foreigner, or a US government working in concert with a foreign entity. The only moral response is to resist with all means.

This is proven by German Jews, Russians arrested in the terror, Cambodians under Pol Pot, etc. Solzhenitsyn wrote how the arresting agents of such regimes should have been murdered at the doors, in the stairwells, etc. The Jew deportation would have been a most nasty proposition for Adoph if one or 2 Nazi cops or Gestapo were shot dead at each doorway.

A government that tries to confiscate weapons is not Constitutional here and deserves bitter resistance. In fact, they would be repeating King George almost exactly.

And the cool part is, that if you leave gun owners alone, there will be no problem in the first place. (except if course, there are limits to how despotic you can become!)

America is the last free place on earth, theres nowhere left to run to. So it’s a fight, right here, if they try.


27 posted on 01/23/2010 12:48:49 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DariusBane

No.

They won’t.

Don’t let that fruitcake Chief of Police in New Orleans be your yardstick on what the police will do. To be fair, I wasn’t in his shoes, and to the best of my knowledge there has never been another disaster where five hundred police officers walked off the job for their families and self preservation.

I have already told my brothers and sisters in blue that if any orders come down to confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens, they will be fighting me as well. Most said, I am with you.

If any orders come down, it will be the Fed trying to make it happen. We locals have some serious trust issues with the Feds as well. They can’t make us do anything. They don’t have the wherewithal or the resources to start arresting local officers who tell them to get bent. Besides, try arresting a cop on some trumped BS charges, and you will have the resisting of your life.

I know a lot of Fed officers. NONE, and I mean, NONE, have talked about confiscating weapons from law abiding citizens. Gang members are another story.


28 posted on 01/23/2010 12:51:47 PM PST by Molon Labbie
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To: Renegade

Met this morning with 10 guys from my church men’s group on this very item. All are gun owners and right wing conservatives. Believe me, there are many many more of them not mentioned and we aren’t passive, and we know how to shoot. So please send the UN flunkies here. Oh BTW, by that time my son will be out of the Rangers and standing with me. It will be fun to introduce them to a real American with an attitude.


29 posted on 01/23/2010 12:53:20 PM PST by dumpthelibs (dumpthelibs)
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To: Renegade

You will not be alone.


30 posted on 01/23/2010 12:58:40 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Renegade

I am a proud member of oathkeepers.
Think about it.
oathkeepers.org


31 posted on 01/23/2010 12:58:44 PM PST by manonCANAL
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

As you are not an American you perhaps do not know that every member of the military, every office holder swears to “Uphold, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America”...


Well i´m not an american (ok i admit that i was born in the US but that´s a totally different topic at all ;-)
But i have been in the military so i get this point. (pretty common in most western militaries just change “United states” with the name of the country you live in). Don´t get me wrong i´m not anti gun at all... For me this just raises an interessting point of view. Just imagine the majority of americans would be anti gun (and since we all live in a democracy the majority has a lot of power). So if “we” the people “or at least 51% of it” deside that guns are a real problem and there for the police/army would be forced to enforce the will of the people. Would you still fire on someone who has “sworn” to defend the values of the US?


32 posted on 01/23/2010 12:59:08 PM PST by darkside321
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To: Molon Labbie

Feds have a long tradition of attaching federal monies to things and getting the local PD’s to dance their tune. I hope our right, but I figure that lots of mayors would participate in this. New York, Chicago first, then down the line. But you also have to understand that a trust deficit exists between P.D.’s and citizens that has been built over the last 50 years. After my house being burglarized and my experience with the local P.D. I don’t think next time I will even bother to call those worthless protectors. Federal money with strings attached. Feds will buy new vests and Police cars in exchange for confiscating weapons. I think lots of mayors would sign on. Lots of cops want to keep their jobs. I hope your right. I fear your not. So it’s time Cops start acting like the protectors they claim to be and not just union thugs with badges whose job is to protect political institutions.


33 posted on 01/23/2010 1:01:48 PM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: jmaroneps37
This is a SOROS agenda. From the NRA web:

It was through Soros` Open Society Institute (OSI) that he bankrolled world gun-ban strategist Rebecca Peters to oversee the May 2000 Million Mom March (MMM). Soros brought Peters, called “our fairy godmother” by MMM organizers, to the United States from Australia to work on both domestic and international gun control schemes. Peters had leapt to the world gun-ban stage as the individual who created Australia`s shameful 1996-97 collection and destruction of virtually all registered semi-auto and pump long guns from licensed collectors, shooters and hunters.

...As a reward for Peter`s work in America, Soros helped to create and fund her International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA) to take the civil disarmament crusade worldwide and to concentrate on the United Nations as Soros` instrument for civilian arms destruction.

In the meantime, OSI and Soros poured millions of dollars into punitive lawsuits to bankrupt America`s firearm industry. Those suits were ultimately overturned in the federal appeals courts, yet they still have cost consumers millions of dollars.

WE`RE BARAAACK! The Billionaire Gun-Banners Who Back Obama`s "Change"

34 posted on 01/23/2010 1:04:57 PM PST by opentalk
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To: darkside321

Greetings Mr. or Ms. Ambassador,speaking for all other countries outside the United States.


35 posted on 01/23/2010 1:06:06 PM PST by TheOldLady (We'll remember in November. -- StolenTagLines.com -- ripping off taglines for 15 years.)
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To: darkside321
"So if “we” the people “or at least 51% of it” deside that guns are a real problem and there for the police/army would be forced to enforce the will of the people. Would you still fire on someone who has “sworn” to defend the values of the US?"

Ah, but that is the beauty of the US Constitution. By it's own processes, 51% CANNOT remove the right to keep and bear arms from the Constitution. It takes two-thirds of BOTH houses of Congress, as well as a majority vote in each of three-quarters of all state legislatures to remove that right. And any attempt to try such a manuever using the "foreign treaty" ploy will only succeed in starting American Revolution II.

36 posted on 01/23/2010 1:09:08 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: darkside321

“and since we all live in a democracy the majority has a lot of power”

No, we do not. We live in a constitutional republic. That means the 51% can govern ONLY within narrow limits defined by the constitution. Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. A constitutional republic says the sheep cannot be on the menu no matter what the wolves say,,, AND the sheep gets to back it up with a magnum.


37 posted on 01/23/2010 1:10:15 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: darkside321

And since you seem to ask a lot of innocent questions, here’s an innocent question for you. Why is a group based in the UK, so interested in working on disarming regular Americans?

Why not start with the palestinians first? Or how about some mass murdering governments? How about a complete ban in Africa? Where is the movement for free speech in England? Where is the pressure on the Saudis to allow non-muslims to visit mecca?

Im quite surprised that the biggest threat to world peace is the privately owned gun of an American. A little odd,, huh?


38 posted on 01/23/2010 1:18:34 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: darkside321
The Constitution of the United States of America stands no matter if 51% agree or think it is rubbish.

We are not a democracy we are a constitutional republic. And the Second Amendment stating that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed is part of that Constitution. The military literally CAN NOT come to take my guns away no matter who votes what because that would violate their oath.

They also can not shut down my church, they can not move into my home (except for war time conditions), they can not prevent me from political speech, they can not award a patent of nobility.

39 posted on 01/23/2010 1:19:49 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: jmaroneps37
"The UN agenda is to push countries to adopt a universally binding treaty that would supersede our U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment."

No. Such a treaty would not "supersede our U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment," although foreign false allies and domestic posers wish that we would believe it. Such misinformation will not be a problem, though, because after the defaults to come, there will be plenty of job openings for house mice.


40 posted on 01/23/2010 1:20:02 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: TheOldLady

Greetings Mr. or Ms. Ambassador,speaking for all other countries outside the United States.


Well thanks (now if i only would get the same payment the new EU ambassador gets for doing exactly my job ;-)
But to be serious i never claimed that i know how most of the world thinks or feels. i only expressed my (european) personal observation of the people (including me) that i know in personal who are living here. And believe me many do think different than the media might would tell you.


41 posted on 01/23/2010 1:20:36 PM PST by darkside321
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To: jmaroneps37
A Treaty CAN supercede the Constitution..... HOWEVER..... the Treaty must be ratified. by 2/3 of the Senate. How likely is that?

There is a way to sign treaties by sole Executive Action, however, those are routinely done for non-controversial issues. If such an action -- to override the Second Amendment -- were even *attempted*, there wouldn't be much Obama left.

In any sense of the word.

42 posted on 01/23/2010 1:25:47 PM PST by Lazamataz (Hey Obama, Can You Hear Me Now....? GOOOOoood......)
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To: darkside321

There is a school of comedy that says America is the smoking hot high school girl. You guys are like the creepy old guy next door. You watch us with a telecope, have our photo all over your walls, etc.

And she doesn’t know you exist. We don’t bother Europe at all. Quit stalking us,,,it’s creepy. We don’t butt into your elections, or try to write your laws.


43 posted on 01/23/2010 1:26:45 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: opentalk
Good afternoon.

Mr. Soros has the best round the clock security money can buy. He and his detail probably have access to government info since 0bama is in.

If you question CIA, prior special forces, and USSS operatives/officers, they will all tell you it is very difficult to maintain a 500 meter perimeter 24 hrs a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

People can make mistakes...sh#t happens.

5.56mm

44 posted on 01/23/2010 1:26:56 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: DariusBane

The Feds offer that money to offset the cost of doing business at the police department. Vests and cars and continued employment will mean absolutely nothing if a measure is pushed that causes people take up arms.

Enough police officers and their leadership will tell mayors and the ATF that this is not worth the bloodshed.

I think gun interest groups are pretty strong, heck, look at how many states have concealed carry now, as opposed to ten years ago.

I would be the first to tell you that I can’t protect your property, and that you should get a gun, an alarm and a mean ol’ dog.


45 posted on 01/23/2010 1:36:55 PM PST by Molon Labbie
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To: Molon Labbie

You and me would get along just fine then.


46 posted on 01/23/2010 1:38:25 PM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: DesertRhino

There is a school of comedy that says America is the smoking hot high school girl. You guys are like the creepy old guy next door. You watch us with a telecope, have our photo all over your walls, etc.

And she doesn’t know you exist. We don’t bother Europe at all. Quit stalking us,,,it’s creepy. We don’t butt into your elections, or try to write your laws.


Sorry but who ever said (i´m shure i didn´t) that you should care what “Europe” has to say or that “we” should write or have a say in your laws?
Sorry but your post sounds “a little bit” hostile.
Jesus christ! Only for you the “standart” european doesn´t give a rats ass about what you are doing in your own country. And this is no offence. This just means that people in generall do not especially care what you do as long as it doesn´t affect em in personal. Don´t buy everything the media tells you. “Europe” is not anti american or pro american in generall. There are just ordinary people here (same as in the US). Some will like you if you met them in personal and of course some will don´t like you. Has nothing to do with generall politics.


47 posted on 01/23/2010 1:46:36 PM PST by darkside321
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To: gibtx2

they are not subject to it now..

They won’t be immune from the physics of 180 grain X 3000fps.

Who do you guys think will confirm any such treaty? The congress after the Brown-out?

All the “doom and gloomer’s” had your day last Spring. Get real and get POSITIVE. This nor many more armed and patriotic Americans ain’t going down easy.


48 posted on 01/23/2010 1:52:41 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: dusttoyou

shooting someone to me isnt positive.. it means you lost your argument and will lose in the end..


49 posted on 01/23/2010 1:54:41 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: familyop
No. Such a treaty would not "supersede our U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment,"

Thank you.

It "only" took 40 posts to get to the Constitutional answer.

Treaties are "Law of the Land" WITH, not above, provisions of the Constitution; in cases of conflict, the Constitution trumps the treaty provisions.

If it takes 40 posts on a Conservative BBS, where the participants are presumably knowledgeable concerning the Founding Documents, history, politics, and civics, to find the fallacy of the article posted, what does that say about the rest of the population?

50 posted on 01/23/2010 1:55:23 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (I think not, therefore I don't exist!)
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