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Dog, Los Angeles Firefighter Recovering After River Rescue.
Fox News Website ^ | 01/23/2010 | Staff

Posted on 01/23/2010 11:58:52 PM PST by L.A.Justice

A California firefighter who was bit by a German shepherd as he hoisted the dog to safety from the Los Angeles River on Friday is not holding it against the frightened dog.

Joe St. Georges, a 25-year veteran of the L.A. Fire Department, told Fox News on Saturday that he suffered severe hand and arm injuries during the heroic helicopter rescue but is recovering.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: animalrescue; dog; doggieping; dogrescue; firefighter
It was the first news on a local TV news station in LA... The reporter was at the animal shelter...The dog was sleeping at that time...
1 posted on 01/23/2010 11:58:53 PM PST by L.A.Justice
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To: L.A.Justice

Just watched the video. The guy was holding onto the back end of the dog and the dog was clamped onto the firefighter’s hand.

It was like really bad rodeo.


2 posted on 01/24/2010 12:05:30 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: L.A.Justice

I saw the rescue live, and it was great.

That 50 year old firefighter risked his life, and the result was good.


3 posted on 01/24/2010 12:25:42 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

The firefighter did a great job. They all did. Hope the guy wasn’t hurt too bad. If anyone deserves first dibs, he certainly does.

Humans can be so Godlike at times. This was one of them.


4 posted on 01/24/2010 1:14:55 AM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: L.A.Justice

Must have been a slow news day. 5 minutes later they did a story on a coloring book contest. Sorry, just have a bad attitude this morning.


5 posted on 01/24/2010 1:51:26 AM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: truth_seeker
I know that river, having grown up a block and a half from it. During heavy storms like the ones now occuring we kids would sit on the levee and watch everything from basketballs to telephone polls float down the raging torrent.

Almost fell in a couple of times myself, and I was not a good swimmer. Parents should keep their kids away from that river when it floods. But just like my parents, many have the attitude that "MY son is too responsible/intelligent to do something like that." Not true. The spirit of adventure in young boys can override commonsense quite easily.

Also, my sympathy goes out to two boys who drowned while trying to ride the torrent in an innertube. I heard this from a relative who still lives nearby, and he saw it on the news.

6 posted on 01/24/2010 2:10:27 AM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Give 'em hell, Sarah!)
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To: L.A.Justice

“...find the dog a new home with one of the hundreds of families that have already come forward inquiring about adopting the dog.”
I’m sure that there are plenty more in the dog pound.


7 posted on 01/24/2010 3:43:48 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: L.A.Justice
about the most idiotic thing I've ever seen on TV. I couldn't believe it. A helicopter.... a f'ing helicopter. The weather wasn't great, power lines nearby and an unstable platform and weight coming up the cable.

I would have loved to hear the justification if, God forbid, the chopper had gone down and the pilot and firefighter died.....for a DOG!!!

I've got a German Shepherd and I love her... but I would never put her life over that of a human... especially a firefighter and pilot who have families and support kids...

What kind of PC idiot would risk that for a dog. It was stupid and dangerous.

Yeah.... great. You saved a dog. Put a couple of units out of service for awhile, wasted flight fuel and man hours in a city/county that is going bankrupt.... for a dog that more than likely would have somehow managed to get up the bank or drift down far enough that the water have gone down enough for it to get out on it's own.

When are the choppers and SWAT going to go to the city animal shelter and throw down some flash bangs, make a dynamic entrance and free the dogs about to get put down? I wonder if they could use the APC to just ram through a wall to free the dogs that we KNOW are going to die unless we free them....

I don't know, but somehow I think humans are worth more than animals... but that's just me.

8 posted on 01/24/2010 4:08:44 AM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: erman

Thank God it is just you! I’d never want to have anything to do with someone like you.


9 posted on 01/24/2010 4:18:51 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: erman
I think humans are worth more than animals... but that's just me.

Yes, humans are worth more, but the fact that someone would risk their lives to save some poor animal, is one glaring example of why.
10 posted on 01/24/2010 4:34:10 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: L.A.Justice

I thought that the dog would have eventually gotten out on his own. Lots of stories out there about people going out to save a dog only to die themselves and the dogs make it to safety.


11 posted on 01/24/2010 4:49:08 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: ZX12R
Yes, humans are worth more, but the fact that someone would risk their lives to save some poor animal, is one glaring example of why.

I'd like to know how you explain it to someone's family that they're dad died for a dog if the chopper hit one of those power lines or lost power. It just seems a bit much. But like I said, it's not my call and if the shift supervisor and higher ups said, "go rescue that dog" well then I guess it all worked out.

12 posted on 01/24/2010 4:51:19 AM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: erman
How people treat animals is usually a pretty good indication of how they treat people, too.
13 posted on 01/24/2010 4:58:08 AM PST by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
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To: MediaMole

I had a really hard time watching this happen live - I felt so bad for the dog, and kept rooting for him to make it out on his own. I had no idea the LAFD would go to such lengths to rescue a dog, and I also wonder how much the media played in the way this event unfolded. It had to tugging on people’s heartstrings - yes!! go rescue the dog!! we can’t bear to see anything bad happen to the dog!!! - but watching the dog biting the firefighter I feared that something bad would happen to the dog STILL - and then worried that the dog would further risk the life of the human. If the cameras wouldn’t have been there, would they have done this? Yes, this story could have turned out very differently.


14 posted on 01/24/2010 5:04:24 AM PST by TiredofItalltoo (tiredofitalltoo)
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To: ladyvet

I thought that the dog would have eventually gotten out on his own. Lots of stories out there about people going out to save a dog only to die themselves and the dogs make it to safety.

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I agree. The dog was standing on solid ground part of the time. The firefighter who suffered “severe injuries” may not be able to work again. The helicopter crew also risked their lives.


15 posted on 01/24/2010 5:09:35 AM PST by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: erman

Careful Pal, I got flamed bad a couple years ago when I suggested besides being a good training exercise, a sniper would be more humane than a massive rescue effort to save a couple dogs that fell through the ice.

This rescue was just stupid.


16 posted on 01/24/2010 5:17:49 AM PST by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons

Wow, telephone polls. Did you ever see Zogby floating on by.

(just kiddin’)


17 posted on 01/24/2010 5:31:11 AM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: Carley

I love dogs. I love my dog. That said...isn’t California and LA in great economic deficit? How much did it cost (aside from the risk to human life) to “save” that dog? How much in medical care, sick time and possibly disability pay will it all cost? Californians are INSANE. And to top it off their wacko governor is pleading for federal funds to help them fund such ridiculousness.


18 posted on 01/24/2010 5:44:14 AM PST by hal ogen
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To: McGavin999
Thank God it is just you! I’d never want to have anything to do with someone like you.

yeah, right buddy. You'd never want anything to do with me... cause I treat humans and think that they're worth more than a dog.

What if that chopper had gone down and somebody on the ground had been killed. Like a kid or some innocent bystander hit with a blade. That's not even taking into account the pilot and the brave firefighter.

you're a sanctimonious little sh#t aren't you. You wouldn't have clue one about taking the life of someone and risking it for a dog. You can sit there on your keyboard and flame away, but I've got my priorities straight and it starts with human life worth more than animal life.

Just let me know who you are when you come rolling through my ER so that I can make sure I take care of a dog out in the parking lot before I take care of you..... what a joke.

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19 posted on 01/24/2010 5:49:03 AM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: erman

You are right on the money.
This is yet another example of misplaced priorities.


20 posted on 01/24/2010 5:55:13 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: cyclotic
Careful Pal, I got flamed bad a couple years ago when I suggested besides being a good training exercise, a sniper would be more humane than a massive rescue effort to save a couple dogs that fell through the ice.

This rescue was just stupid.

thanks for the warning...

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21 posted on 01/24/2010 5:58:21 AM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: McGavin999
Thank God it is just you! I’d never want to have anything to do with someone like you.

Don't thank Him too quickly. I am relieved that you and I won't be having much commerce as I I too, don't think much of deploying all the high value assets in a high risk rescue of a dog,

22 posted on 01/24/2010 6:12:22 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: L.A.Justice

Watching that video, I’m sorry but that was very stupid and dangerous rescue. The dog was not drowning, it was standing on the concrete bank. The dog would have gotten out on his own eventually. To make a helicopter rescue in bad weather is dangerous.


23 posted on 01/24/2010 6:12:36 AM PST by visualops (Freepin' on my Pre!)
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To: Lion Den Dan
OK, so there are two of you. Don't think much of those who are unwilling perform their duties of stewards.

Those low value dogs sniff out drugs and bombs, take care of preditors, keep livestock safe (you know, the stuff you eat), go after criminals in places humans can't go, sniff out cadavers, rescue lost children etc. But you go ahead and disparage them as unworthy of your time and attention.

24 posted on 01/24/2010 6:58:58 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
OK, so there are two of you.

Would you risk as much to save a dog as you would to stop/prevent an abortion?

25 posted on 01/24/2010 7:05:42 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

Oh come on! Where was an abortion being performed in that river!


26 posted on 01/24/2010 7:31:20 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Oh come on! Where was an abortion being performed in that river!

Oh, come on! Answer my question. (Bet you won't.)

27 posted on 01/24/2010 7:52:54 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

I just did, you just refuse my answer. There was no abortion being performed that a fireman swooping in on a line from a helo would have stopped. Why do you want to kill animals?


28 posted on 01/24/2010 8:06:47 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: erman
I asked my son about this. He is a helicopter pilot and flies every work day of his life. Actually every night, he's on from dusk to dawn more or less.

He says you can read all the tips and pointers you want about handling bad weather, restricted areas, etc. but unless you actually fly in those conditions you have no experience dealing with them. True, it's a dog this time, but it might be a child next time.

And he says there's a certain amount of just pure challenge in handling those conditions. He's a pretty level headed kid, 46-years-old, and speaks frequently of no-go decisions based on the weather or other circumstances, so I tend to take his observations overall.

That kind of flying is unique and it takes a good deal of currency in various conditions to maintain the skills that make you good at it.

29 posted on 01/24/2010 8:23:50 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: erman

I have a German Shepard and I love him to death, but he is as dumb as a box of rocks. He would totally get himself in a situation like this, and probably get himself out because he runs on pure instinct. I agree with you completely. No dog is worth more than a human being. This rescue was wrong.


30 posted on 01/24/2010 8:30:47 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: erman
I am a HUGE dog lover and I have 4 right now that I dote on, but you are right...... they are just dogs. I came to this conclusion many years ago when my husband swerved on the highway to miss a dog. The dog doubled back and we hit it anyway and then found ourselves going backward on the wrong side of the highway. We ended up in a muddy ditch and had to get a wrecker to pull us out. This was the early 60's and we had no seat belts and I had our infant son in my arms. If there had been another vehicle coming in the opposite direction we would have died instantly........ for a dog.
31 posted on 01/24/2010 8:52:59 AM PST by Ditter
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To: L.A.Justice
Joe St. Georges, a 25-year veteran of the L.A. Fire Department, told Fox News on Saturday that he suffered severe hand and arm injuries during the heroic helicopter rescue but is recovering.

He's lucky that's all that happened to him. I like dogs as much as the next guy, but a dog is never worth a human life. You would have thought one of this guys supervisors whould have been screaming into the radio to call off that rescue. It was a foolish thing to do.

32 posted on 01/24/2010 8:57:52 AM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: erman

People who have families and support kids do dangerous jobs everyday. It is what this man chose to do for a living. I am sure it isn’t the first dangerous rescue he’s been on and hopefully it won’t be his last. If you can’t get a good feeling from a story like this, watching a human being do what he loves to do, rescuing and saving one of God’s creatures, be it human or animal, then I feel sorry for you. It is EXACTLY this kind of thing that makes one appreciate the fact that there are indeed a lot of good people out there.


33 posted on 01/24/2010 10:47:28 AM PST by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
If you can’t get a good feeling from a story like this, watching a human being do what he loves to do, rescuing and saving one of God’s creatures, be it human or animal, then I feel sorry for you. It is EXACTLY this kind of thing that makes one appreciate the fact that there are indeed a lot of good people out there.

Hey, I didn't say I "feel" good that the pilot and firefighter made is back home safely. I do. I didn't know that LAFD was their for animal rescue.

I think sanctimonious douche bags that spout off about how " It is what this man chose to do for a living. I am sure it isn’t the first dangerous rescue he’s been on and hopefully it won’t be his last." don't know anything about what it's like to really lose a friend or friends that may die doing "simple helicopter" transports and rescues. It's dangerous... yeah they signed up for it and most of the guys and gals that are on those units love it and love to help people. It's a calling... but for you to sit there and somehow think it's even close to putting a living human being with wife and kids or innocent bystanders at risk for a dog is pathetic.

so sit there behind your keyboard and make yourself feel morally superior to spout off about something you know nothing about .. oh by the way... don't "feel sorry for me".. in fact feel nothing for me. Save it for some dog or cat.

these were my friends

I have yet to find a cat or dog that was worth their life. They gave their life transporting a patient who also died in the crash. There isn't and hasn't been a dog I know that was worth their lives. They also signed up for dangerous work, so we can disagree. I have friends that fly for the Houston PD and in other medical transport services, none of them is worth 100 dogs.

34 posted on 01/24/2010 11:42:21 AM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: erman

You might want to consider switching to decaf.


35 posted on 01/24/2010 1:13:32 PM PST by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
You might want to consider switching to decaf.

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36 posted on 01/24/2010 9:52:07 PM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: L.A.Justice

Knowing the dog would be scared to death, I don’t understand why the FF didn’t get some protection for his arms and throat from some canine officers; maybe it would have impaired his mobility too much. Still, I look at this as a good training exercise in case next time it’s a human out there, as opposed to those who think it’s a waste of money.


37 posted on 01/25/2010 1:05:09 PM PST by GnuHere
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To: GnuHere
I think they were considering time. The water was rising. The dog kept slipping off the cement thingy and was losing the strength to stand.

I watched it from the beginning and I couldn't believe how long the dog was able to walk along that tiny barrier. It was wet, freezing, exhausted and terrified and I never thought for a second it could be rescued. Firemen, policemen, soldiers and rescue workers are gifts from God. There should be a better word than "hero".

38 posted on 01/25/2010 1:16:41 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: erman
Shepard Smith read a very funny email from a viewer who agreed with you. He said he'd grab the dog..."After I shot it!". He went on about the waste of money and that "bleeding heart" events like this were the reason California was in the shape it was in. Pretty funny, really. He was the first to put it into perspective.

Practically speaking, of course, you're right and the real jerks were the members of the media who put the whole thing on national TV because it could have ended with dog, man and copter crew dead, but just watching that small miracle was an emotional reprieve from everything else going on around us.

Thank God that firefighter volunteered. Thank God he had the strength to hold on and the bravery to ignore the pain. And thank God for men. They knock me out everyday in a million ways.

39 posted on 01/25/2010 1:28:08 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb; Finny
And thank God for men. They knock me out everyday in a million ways.

Excellent, just excellent.
:::ping::: to Finny ~ another woman after your own heart!

40 posted on 01/25/2010 3:01:54 PM PST by b9 (Bad spellers of the world, UNTIE!)
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