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Why the Y chromosome is a hotbed for evolution(human male genes so different from chimp's)
The Times(UK) ^ | 01/14/10 | Mark Henderson

Posted on 01/24/2010 7:05:10 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Why the Y chromosome is a hotbed for evolution

Mark Henderson, Science Editor

The Y chromosome is often seen as the rotten corner of the human genome — a place of evolutionary decline that is slowly decaying and threatening the end of man. Reports of its imminent demise, however, have been exaggerated.

Research has indicated that, far from stagnating, the male chromosome is a hotspot of evolution that is changing more quickly than any other part of humanity’s genetic code.

In most mammals the sex of offspring is determined by X and Y chromosomes. Females have two Xs, males have one X and one Y — with the Y making them male. The Y was originally identical to the X, but over 300 million years it has shrunk, and is now the smallest human chromosome.

This is because it occurs on its own, and cannot swap genes to maintain integrity. This decline has led scientists to suggest it would waste away entirely in 125,000 years or so. This would mean the end of men, and probably of humanity.

But the first comparison of the human Y chromosome with its counterpart in chimpanzees has revealed that they differ radically. The findings suggest that the Y chromosomes of both are evolving rapidly and dynamically — probably because of their critical roles in reproduction — and have a vibrant future.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: deliberateignorance; evolution; male; ychromosome

1 posted on 01/24/2010 7:05:11 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

*Insert Snarky Comment About Ape-ish Ex-Husband Here*


2 posted on 01/24/2010 7:07:55 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Here's last weeks version
3 posted on 01/24/2010 7:08:25 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Humans and apes are NOT related

People are so dense ... predetermined outcome based science isn't working.

4 posted on 01/24/2010 7:08:57 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Oh Boy,
That Was Close!
Almost Evolved out of Existance! LoL !
How ‘Bout a Big Bang,?
That Would Be Nice !
What A Total Bunch Of Wackos These ‘EVOS’ are.


5 posted on 01/24/2010 7:10:43 AM PST by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: nmh
Humans and apes are NOT related

Oh yeah? Then why did I have a banana with breakfast this morning?

6 posted on 01/24/2010 7:11:44 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

LOL!


7 posted on 01/24/2010 7:13:35 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This is because it occurs on its own, and cannot swap genes to maintain integrity.

This is a lie. There are regions of Y that get swapped with X during meiosis, and Y has to maintain analogous sections with X in order to in order for them to go separate ways during division and only have one per sperm.

8 posted on 01/24/2010 7:15:44 AM PST by Styria
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To: bravotu

God is an EVO.


9 posted on 01/24/2010 7:16:10 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

George: Elaine! Do women know about shrinkage?
Elaine: You mean like laundry?
Jerry: Like when a man goes swimming... afterwards...
Elaine: It shrinks?!
Jerry: Like a frightened turtle.
Elaine: Why does it shrink?
George: It just does.
Elaine: I don’t know how you guys walk around with those things.


10 posted on 01/24/2010 7:17:02 AM PST by Ben Chad
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To: Yardstick
Oh yeah? Then why did I have a banana with breakfast this morning?

Did you bite into it with your incisors or canines?

11 posted on 01/24/2010 7:18:04 AM PST by frankenMonkey ("Natural Born Citizen" - US Constitution, 1787; "Words have meaning" - Barack Obama, 2009)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Who Says a Boy Needs a "Y" Chromosome & a Penis?"


12 posted on 01/24/2010 7:20:15 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Styria

The author failed biology.


13 posted on 01/24/2010 7:20:55 AM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“most mammals” ???????? Name one mammal that doesn’t have males with a “Y”


14 posted on 01/24/2010 7:25:14 AM PST by Mercat (wherever the people are well-informed they can be trusted with their own government)
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To: Styria

But , Who Gets The KIDS?


15 posted on 01/24/2010 7:34:33 AM PST by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: Moonman62

OK, And those Funny Red Hats?


16 posted on 01/24/2010 7:35:56 AM PST by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: bravotu

That was DEVO.


17 posted on 01/24/2010 7:43:50 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This is because it occurs on its own, and cannot swap genes to maintain integrity. This decline has led scientists to suggest it would waste away entirely in 125,000 years or so. This would mean the end of men, and probably of humanity.

What a ridiculous statement. This mechanism for reproduction has been around for hundreds of millions of years, maybe longer--there is no scientific basis whatsoever for hypothesizing that it's on the verge of disappearing. There is very strong selective pressure for maintaining a functional Y chromosome.

18 posted on 01/24/2010 7:45:18 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Mercat
“most mammals” ???????? Name one mammal that doesn’t have males with a “Y”

Mark Henderson may be the scientific editor for the Times, but he is no biologist.

He would have been correct to say "many vertebrates." In birds, for example, the female carries the Y chromosome.

19 posted on 01/24/2010 7:49:00 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: frankenMonkey

Incisors, but I had my canines on standby in case it tried to get away ;0)


20 posted on 01/24/2010 7:53:04 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Styria; TigerLikesRooster

And I thought size counts.

Loks we will all be metrosexuals in years to come.

[Mr] T


21 posted on 01/24/2010 8:20:48 AM PST by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: nmh
Humans and apes are NOT related

Yeah, right. What a dumb ass. I teach my five kids about evolution, but it really isn't necessary. They can just look at a monkey and realize we are related. And guess what?! We are Christians too.

22 posted on 01/24/2010 8:40:16 AM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: ExtremeUnction
APES FOR EVOLUTION

just looked down from heaven and smiled.

23 posted on 01/24/2010 8:46:20 AM PST by trickyricky
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The findings suggest that the Y chromosomes are evolving rapidly and dynamically and have a vibrant future.

There goes the whole core of feminist ideology.

24 posted on 01/24/2010 8:48:21 AM PST by Dr. North
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To: ExtremeUnction

Are you claiming that apes simply forgot to jump onboard the evolution train?

Otherwise, why do they remain un-evolved apes with no prospects of turning into humans?


25 posted on 01/24/2010 8:49:53 AM PST by Dr. North
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To: nmh
Humans and apes are NOT related

Obviously you've never been to a Chandler family reunion.

26 posted on 01/24/2010 9:27:21 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
*Insert Snarky Comment About Ape-ish Ex-Husband Here*

Perhaps his Y chromosome mutated in the wrong direction causing an inability to keep his jeans (genes) up.

:-)

27 posted on 01/24/2010 9:59:17 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Dr. North

If you’re being serious, then I think you have deep misunderstanding of evolutionary theory. Any good basic book on the topic would serve better than trying to answer your questions without a framework.


28 posted on 01/24/2010 11:47:47 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Dr. North
Otherwise, why do they remain un-evolved apes with no prospects of turning into humans?

Your premise is faulty, in almost exactly the same way as the following would be:

Why do there remain car insurance providers with no prospect of turning into life insurance providers?

A biological environment provides many potential ways of making a living, just as an economy provides many ways of making a living. The goal of evolution is not becoming one particular kind of a creature, but rather simply finding a good way to make a living. (Actually the goal of evolution is to successfully raise offspring, but a creature has to first make a living to do that.)

You make a living dong your thing as a biological organisms in an environment where other organisms are following variously differing approaches, just as you make a living in an economy by following your profession, while other players follow different professions. An ecology consisting entirely of humans is as nonsensical and impossible as an economy consisting entirely of insurance salesman.

Even an economy where not all players are actuaries, but where all actuaries only sell life insurance, is nonsensical. Obviously there are lots of ways to make a living as an actuary. It is usual in the evolution of an economy that all those niches will be filled. If everyone is selling car insurance, and no one selling life insurance, there is an obvious opportunity for an apt car insurance provider to make a buck by switching to life insurance. But the fact that the life insurance niche begins to be exploited doesn't (necessarily) entail that providing car insurance suddenly becomes unprofitable.

Likewise there are many ways to make a living as an anthropoid (the group including monkeys, apes and humans, distinguished from other primates in having a well-developed collarbone, rotating shoulder joints, and partially rotating elbow joints). Just because apes evolve, doesn't make being a monkey suddenly inviable, nor does humans evolving automatically make being an ape inviable.

29 posted on 01/24/2010 1:02:02 PM PST by Stultis (Democrats. Still devoted to the three S's: Slavery, Segregation and Socialism.)
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To: Stultis

Your reasoning is sound, but that isn’t going to prevent your post from being flamed. Evolution seems to be just one of those subject here that evoke strong opinions. I liked your metaphor, by the way. Good luck... and here we go!


30 posted on 01/24/2010 2:04:31 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Actually, that WAS the problem, LOL!


31 posted on 01/24/2010 5:02:36 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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